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[Sebby]

Kaiser Shepard wrote...
Typical apologist attitude. Because every single variable being taken into account during the final 15 minutes is the obvious way to develop games and make choices matter.

Why shouldn't choices come back before the series finale? Or within the game they're made? I mean, there's no reason the Rachni couldn't have come to humanity's aid during Ilos, the Siege on the Citadel, Freedom's Progress, Horizon, etc.

I'd normally bring up Alpha Protocol as an example of how choice should be handled within a game, but I've been looking up the Witcher 2 lately (I shouldn't spoil myself, waiting for the 360 release) and the entire middle arc of that game changes radically based on one decision. Hell, even Gears of War handles choice/consequence better with their LT/RT-moments.

Looking for actual gameplay and/or story consequences, the only "choices" I've seen in Mass Effect so far are the mission order, and whether or not you complete every one of them.

Yep and there's two equally viable paths unlike in ME where it's winner takes all(Paragon) vs a gimped troll path for the lulz(Renegade). You see the actual consequences of your choices within the game itself and there's none of this bull**** of choices existing in vacuums like the Rachni decision having no impact on the Krogans.

[KotorEffect3]

If being reasonable and seeing the bigger picture makes me an apologist than I am an apologist. Why should the rachni show up during the battle of the citadel or during horizon?

I'd rather be an apologist than a negative nancy.

[ReallyRue]

FoxShadowblade wrote...

I hope we get to shoot her.

Multiple times if possible.

Perhaps the squadmates shoot her too.

That's just cold.

[KotorEffect3]

Seboist wrote...

Kaiser Shepard wrote...
Typical apologist attitude. Because every single variable being taken into account during the final 15 minutes is the obvious way to develop games and make choices matter.

Why shouldn't choices come back before the series finale? Or within the game they're made? I mean, there's no reason the Rachni couldn't have come to humanity's aid during Ilos, the Siege on the Citadel, Freedom's Progress, Horizon, etc.

I'd normally bring up Alpha Protocol as an example of how choice should be handled within a game, but I've been looking up the Witcher 2 lately (I shouldn't spoil myself, waiting for the 360 release) and the entire middle arc of that game changes radically based on one decision. Hell, even Gears of War handles choice/consequence better with their LT/RT-moments.

Looking for actual gameplay and/or story consequences, the only "choices" I've seen in Mass Effect so far are the mission order, and whether or not you complete every one of them.

Yep and there's two equally viable paths unlike in ME where it's winner takes all(Paragon) vs a gimped troll path for the lulz(Renegade). You see the actual consequences of your choices within the game itself and there's none of this bull**** of choices existing in vacuums like the Rachni decision having no impact on the Krogans.

Until you see how ME 3 plays out you can't complain that the renegades get screwed.  Once again it seems like some here do not know how triologies work.  Also once again there was no reason for the rachni thing to come up with the krogan in ME 2.   Maybe in ME 3 but not ME 2.

[KotorEffect3]

ReallyRue wrote...

FoxShadowblade wrote...

I hope we get to shoot her.

Multiple times if possible.

Perhaps the squadmates shoot her too.

That's just cold.

Not to mention it would also be lame.  She is a nobody.  Shepard has fought spectres, geth, collectors, the most dangerous terminous system mercs,krogan warlords,  the shadow broker, and has confronted reapers.  Some nobody reporter really shouldn't even get Shepard''s attention.

[Zakatak757]

Shooting Conrad Verner > Punching Reporters > Headbutting Krogan

[Bekkael]

KotorEffect3 wrote...

ReallyRue wrote...

FoxShadowblade wrote...

I hope we get to shoot her.

Multiple times if possible.

Perhaps the squadmates shoot her too.

That's just cold.

Not to mention it would also be lame.  She is a nobody.  Shepard has fought spectres, geth, collectors, the most dangerous terminous system mercs,krogan warlords,  the shadow broker, and has confronted reapers.  Some nobody reporter really shouldn't even get Shepard''s attention.

Indeed. She is no more annoying or difficult to deal with than Conrad Verner.

[Robbiesan]

I gotta admit I tend to play Paragon, but being nice all the time gets boring, so punching a reporter or other annoying NPC in the face is kinda fun once in a while. 

[Kaiser Shepard]

KotorEffect3 wrote...

If being reasonable and seeing the bigger picture makes me an apologist than I am an apologist. Why should the rachni show up during the battle of the citadel or during horizon?

I'd rather be an apologist than a negative nancy.

Why should they show up again at all? Because we've been given these choices, or more accurately this illusion of them.

KotorEffect3 wrote...

Until you see how ME 3 plays out you can't complain that the renegades get screwed.  Once again it seems like some here do not know how triologies work.  Also once again there was no reason for the rachni thing to come up with the krogan in ME 2.   Maybe in ME 3 but not ME 2.

We can already see it happening all the time; Paragons get to have their cake and eat it, whereas Renegade get little more than a 'default' game. And why shouldn't it come up in ME2? Isn't the middle chapter part of the trilogy as well?

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

I recall they said in an interview that there were over a thousand variables. Thus, I feel compelled to give them some wiggle room, until we see ME3.

That's just PR/marketing talk: people were already calling bs on that statement back in late 2009, early 2010. If you look were to list the decisions made in ME, you'd get a significantly smaller list that mostly consists of 'simple' A or B decisions, with only a handful of points at which a situation could end with more than two things "happening".

Sure, one could probably argue that it's possible to create over a thousand possible universes, but you'd only need 10 of those A/B decisions for that. And even then living up to those choices should be a requirement for such a claim.

[PantheraOnca]

Zakatak757 wrote...

Shooting Conrad Verner > Punching Reporters > Headbutting Krogan

Except that nothing is better than headbutting a krogan.

[United_Strafes]

I want to see a conga line of Krogans punching her repeatedly, not just the one in the Shadow Broker video<<spoiler warning har har.

[Reciever80]

I totally see her giving shepard a biotic punch or something in ME3. However, while it was hilarious watching shepard slap her with his fist. Ultimately though, it's much more satisfying using intimidate or charm to make her look ****-stupid.

[Kakita Tatsumaru]

ReallyRue wrote...

FoxShadowblade wrote...

I hope we get to shoot her.

Multiple times if possible.

Perhaps the squadmates shoot her too.

That's just cold.

That just remind me how I miss having Wrex by my side, killing those who speak ill to me without even being asked to.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

Bekkael wrote...

I kinda felt bad for her when the Krogan knocked her flying.

The Krogan was probably telling her about the fish he ate that was caught in the Presidium, and she asked him how much he paid for the fish. "1000 CR" "Mr. Krogan, you do know the only fish on the Citadel are available in the gift shop, right? And they're 416 CR for a half-dozen."

Well, she was doing her job. Shepard handled her well enough for Hackett in ME1 and bullrushed her in ME2. No doubt she'll be at the trial.

[AdmiralCheez]

I say we headbutt her.

[Valdrane78]

JeffZero wrote...

Bekkael wrote...

Funkcase wrote...

No, I think it makes Shepard just look like a ass.

Agreed. I prefer to make her look bad by using the intelligent responses that leave her miffed.

Makes three of us. I've admittedly laughed at the reporter-punching (something of a rarity for me; I'm not much for low-brow humor but Bioware's writing somehow manages to sell it) but I almost always take the high route. It's absolutely more satisfying for me.

I've done both, and I prefer making her look liek an ass than making her fall on her ass as well.  However, suckerpunching her has instant gratification that the other lacks, plus it's funnier.

However, I really wanna punch the mad profit in the junk on Omega.
 

[Spartanburger]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

I say we headbutt her.

I like this Human. He/she/it/they/us/idonteven understands!

Modifié par Spartanburger, 04 octobre 2011 - 01:24 .

[Soul Cool]

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

Spartanburger wrote...

AdmiralCheez wrote...

I say we headbutt her.

I like this Human. He understands!

*she*

It.

[Annihilator27]

I have a feeling shes going to make Shepard look really bad at the trial....

[Yakko77]

JeffZero wrote...

Bekkael wrote...

Funkcase wrote...

No, I think it makes Shepard just look like a ass.

Agreed. I prefer to make her look bad by using the intelligent responses that leave her miffed.

Makes three of us. I've admittedly laughed at the reporter-punching (something of a rarity for me; I'm not much for low-brow humor but Bioware's writing somehow manages to sell it) but I almost always take the high route. It's absolutely more satisfying for me.

Despite my frequent use of the renegade interupt with my paragons, I always just dressed her down verbally which is satisfying enough.  Now my renegade John Shep on the other hand....

[Spartanburger]

Soul Cool wrote...

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

Spartanburger wrote...

AdmiralCheez wrote...

I say we headbutt her.

I like this Human. He understands!

*she*

It.

They.

[lady_v23]

yes please.

[Spartanburger]

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

But really, she.

Ah. I would never have guessed. No offence intended.
Anyway, I normally use 'he' as more of a some-what gender neutral classification when working on the internet due to the unknowns.