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[Iakus]

DarthCaine wrote...

Never mentions it 'cos BioWare didn't want a religious flamewar

Doesn't have to be a religious matter.  Death is a serious in all sorts of ways.  And pretty much every single one of them got ignored.  

[NICKjnp]

Siansonea II wrote...

Shepard's death in ME2 "broke my immersion" (to borrow a hackneyed phrase from every whiner who ever lived) more than anything. I mean, did BioWare think that we would just ignore the scientific and emotional implications of the event? Yes, they did, apparently. They wanted Shepard to have a new skill tree, and to be able to change class! And to have a two-year time jump. Could have done the same thing with a coma, but nooooooo...

Yup.

They just trivialized the entire experience.  It would have been a very rich existential story element they could have added to the game.  The psychological implications should have been addressed and options from several world views could have been chosen to further define our Shepard.  Instead we got Shepard telling Jacob that he/she has a splitting headace.

[Cutlass Jack]

tonnactus wrote...

Did you even played Deus Ex 3???

Is that a trick question? No one played Deus Ex 3.

[happy_daiz]

Cutlass Jack wrote...

tonnactus wrote...

Did you even played Deus Ex 3???

Is that a trick question? No one played Deus Ex 3.

[tonnactus]

DarthCaine wrote...

Never mentions it 'cos BioWare didn't want a religious flamewar

There ways to do this without that. Like in Babylon 5.
So its either lazyness or incompetence.(or both)

Modifié par tonnactus, 03 octobre 2011 - 08:34 .

[Collider]

Not speaking about his death much didn't bother me as much as his/her nonchalant attitude towards it.

[Nashiktal]

To me, if they were going to trivialize the whole dying and being dead for two years, they should have just avoided it to begin with. They could have just put shep in a coma or something if they wanted to knock down his abilities.

Just tossing death in for the rule of cool kinda makes death silly. Oh so I can die and come back? Pfft bring it on reapers I am immortal. Hard to take the galactic war seriously when death isn't serious.

[Wulfram]

I don't really see the "dying" as all that important. My Shepard's attitude is basically, if you can come back to life then you aren't really dead. There are maybe some troubling implications for medicine there, but it's not Shepard's field or problem.

Losing their ship and crew is what bothers my Shepards. Also the lost two years, what's happened in them and the disconnect between Shepard and everyone else who experienced them.

I always found Shepard naming the new ship "Normandy" difficult to swallow. If Joker had done it, it would make sense. But for Shepard, who effectively only just saw it destroyed, creating a new Normandy in Cerberus colours seems almost an insult.

[Cutlass Jack]

Just as a sidenote, I think having the records of an entire alien civilization repeatedly data dumped into your brain is substantially more therapy inducing than spending two years in a coma.

Since he/she came through that relatively sane where others did not, its implied at least that Shepard is made of sterner stuff than most.

[KotorEffect3]

Shouldn't this be in the ME 2 forum? And honestly shouldn't people that havn't gotten over the whole death sequence get over it already? It happened one entire game and several DLCs ago. Shepard is on trial and the Reapers are here. Let's talk about that.

[Nashiktal]

KotorEffect3 wrote...

Shouldn't this be in the ME 2 forum? And honestly shouldn't people that havn't gotten over the whole death sequence get over it already? It happened one entire game and several DLCs ago. Shepard is on trial and the Reapers are here. Let's talk about that.

Well why should we care? What are they going to do, execute me?

[Il Divo]

Cutlass Jack wrote...

Just as a sidenote, I think having the records of an entire alien civilization repeatedly data dumped into your brain is substantially more therapy inducing than spending two years in a coma.

Since he/she came through that relatively sane where others did not, its implied at least that Shepard is made of sterner stuff than most.

Great point, one which gets ignored too often. The Prothean Cipher is treated as merely a plot device, intended to get the ball rolling for the investigation into Saren. For something which has imbibed him with the culture of a Prothean mind, Shepard doesn't seem all that changed by the cipher.

Modifié par Il Divo, 03 octobre 2011 - 08:48 .

[KotorEffect3]

Nashiktal wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

Shouldn't this be in the ME 2 forum? And honestly shouldn't people that havn't gotten over the whole death sequence get over it already? It happened one entire game and several DLCs ago. Shepard is on trial and the Reapers are here. Let's talk about that.

Well why should we care? What are they going to do, execute me?

It makes more sense than bringing up the first 8 minutes of ME 2 for the umpteenth time.

[KotorEffect3]

Well at least this thread is in the right forum now. People still need to get over it.

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

Il Divo wrote...

Cutlass Jack wrote...

Just as a sidenote, I think having the records of an entire alien civilization repeatedly data dumped into your brain is substantially more therapy inducing than spending two years in a coma.

Since he/she came through that relatively sane where others did not, its implied at least that Shepard is made of sterner stuff than most.

Great point, one which gets ignored too often. The Prothean Cipher is treated as merely a plot device, intended to get the ball rolling for the investigation into Saren. For something which has imbibed him with the culture of a Prothean mind, Shepard doesn't seem all that changed by the cipher.

Unlike Shepard's death. The cipher/beacon atleast had a presence in the story (as minor as it was), it did not feel ignored or completely disregarded unlike what happens in ME2 where the events is just an excuse to jump two years foward (making it even worse since it means that killing Shepard was completely meaningless).

[Iakus]

KotorEffect3 wrote...

Shouldn't this be in the ME 2 forum? And honestly shouldn't people that havn't gotten over the whole death sequence get over it already? It happened one entire game and several DLCs ago. Shepard is on trial and the Reapers are here. Let's talk about that.

Why?  Because there's a hope, however small, that ME3 might succeed where ME2 failed.  It's a trilogy, right?

[Iakus]

Il Divo wrote...

Cutlass Jack wrote...

Just as a sidenote, I think having the records of an entire alien civilization repeatedly data dumped into your brain is substantially more therapy inducing than spending two years in a coma.

Since he/she came through that relatively sane where others did not, its implied at least that Shepard is made of sterner stuff than most.

Great point, one which gets ignored too often. The Prothean Cipher is treated as merely a plot device, intended to get the ball rolling for the investigation into Saren. For something which has imbibed him with the culture of a Prothean mind, Shepard doesn't seem all that changed by the cipher.

Cipher?  What's this "Cipher" thing you speak of?  I don't recall that being mentioned in ME2.  Or even in the Genesis comic.  Surely something so important to the series as Shepard having the cultural knowledge and perspective of the Protheans, and is now actually capable of thinking like and even understanding them, would have been mentioned at some point, especially in regards to reasons for ressurecting/rebuilding Shepard.

Yeah, that's sarcasm.  Don't get me started on how that little plot point fell by the wayside 

[KotorEffect3]

iakus wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

Shouldn't this be in the ME 2 forum? And honestly shouldn't people that havn't gotten over the whole death sequence get over it already? It happened one entire game and several DLCs ago. Shepard is on trial and the Reapers are here. Let's talk about that.

Why?  Because there's a hope, however small, that ME3 might succeed where ME2 failed.  It's a trilogy, right?

ME 2 didn't fail.  Could there be improvements that hopefuly are in ME 3?  Of course but it didn't fail.

[vdeity]

Unless Shepard was in hell being tortured by demons while his physical body was being stitched back together, I can't see how 'death' would be particularly traumatizing for him.
He gets sucked out of the ship, thermalizes in the atmosphere of that planet, and then is dead. I'm sure it was quick.
Then he spent the next two years on a meat rack, unconscious. He doesn't even remember that he died until Jacob mentions he's been out for 2 years.

[KotorEffect3]

vdeity wrote...

Unless Shepard was in hell being tortured by demons while his physical body was being stitched back together, I can't see how 'death' would be particularly traumatizing for him.
He gets sucked out of the ship, thermalizes in the atmosphere of that planet, and then is dead. I'm sure it was quick.
Then he spent the next two years on a meat rack, unconscious. He doesn't even remember that he died until Jacob mentions he's been out for 2 years.

Shepard may end up being a psychological basketcase after the reaper war but until then Shepard is so focused on the reapers that all of his traumatic experiences have not caught up to him just yet.

[Iakus]

KotorEffect3 wrote...

ME 2 didn't fail.  Could there be improvements that hopefuly are in ME 3?  Of course but it didn't fail.

Killing Shepard off was used for nothing more than its shock factor.  From a dramatic or storytelling perspective, it failed (imo of course).

[KotorEffect3]

Well story elements are always subjective.