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[jeweledleah]

Dariustwinblade wrote...

I hope so more for Liara than any one else.

I am already pissed the VS is a perma squadmember but Liara isnt confirmed.

....... noone is confirmed as a perma squadmate.  we have confirmed squadmates, period, but no one is confirmed as permanent.  however, the playable demo features... Liara and Garrus.  alternate appearance pack for collectors edition of ME3 features Liara as well.   and Liara happens to be Mac Walter's favorite.  soI woulndn't worry about Liara getting sidelined in any way or not being a squadmate, but hoping that she is the star of the show again, outshining everyone else? how very.... nice of you.

[CptData]

sesheta255 wrote...

I'm hoping the VS does overshadow everyone else to a certain degree. Kaidan and Ashley are the most underrated sqaudmates in the series, (along with Jacob), largely because they are human and not 'badass' aliens. It's about time they were given their chance to shine and show that they can kick ass just as well as every other member of the squad.

They don't need to overshadow anyone. I just believe Ash/Kaidan will have their moments in ME3. They had their roles in ME - when it comes to "badass", Ashley overshadows Kaidan. Kaidan on the other hand might shine in ME3 after being barely visible in ME.

Actually, my main Shepard depends heavily on Ashley. Being an Infiltrator, he needs a soldier to hold the line - either Ash or Wrex.

By the way, I believe every permanent squadmember will overshadow non-permanent squaddies. I'm not even sure if it's possible to get all ME2-squaddies back in action for just one mission. Maybe they're just there, as NPCs. Who knows. Ash & Kaidan will* be permanent squaddies, so they will have their moments.

* it's most likely either Ash or Kaidan will be permanent squadmembers in ME3. It's also possible they're NO squadmembers at all since they're also Spectres and can work alone. In that case, you will work together with them, but not in same squad.

Modifié par CptData, 04 octobre 2011 - 07:50 .

[Ieldra]

Iclonic wrote...
Would that mean that Garrus and Tali could potentially be overshadowed....

I think it would be very appropriate if Garrus and Tali were overshadowed in ME3. They had two whole games in the spotlight, it's time for other characters to shine.

The VS and Liara are the only returning team members I won't begrudge a prominent place even if my favorite won't get one.  If Liara is pushed as something of a canon romance, however, I'll hate her.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 04 octobre 2011 - 07:55 .

[who would know]

Collider wrote...

I will say this though: Don't make Garrus (or anyone else) a canon friend again.

Yes. Assumptions suck.

Ieldra2 wrote...

I think it would be very appropriate if Garrus and Tali were overshadowed in ME3. They had two whole games in the spotlight, it's time for other characters to shine.

Agree. Garrus and Tali both got good slices of screen time in both Mass Effect and Mass Effect 2. Neverminding their mystifying popularity, and the undeniable appeal of trilogy-spanning companions, there are others I would sooner see in the spotlight for ME3

Modifié par who would know, 04 octobre 2011 - 08:41 .

[Comsky159]

Hang on, my mystical powers of perception have allowed me to spot a trend.

Those who prefer Liara and the VS would like them to overshadow Garrus and Tali.

Those who prefer Garrus and Tali would like them to overshadow Liara and the VS.

Who'd a thunk it.

[diamondedge]

jeweledleah wrote...
I'm actually hoping for more or less equal exposure. just becasue bioware decided to sideline VS for a game, doesn't mean fans of other characters should be "punished" now. especially LI's, I would not wish for another horizon on anyone.

You are aware that Bioware doesn't owe anything to particular group of fans? I'm shocked so many of you wish to see this. Not everyone is equal and equaly important and there is no reason for Bioware to make them so.

I for one, just want a good story to finally unfold, without forcing too many characters in the spotlight.

[jeweledleah]

diamondedge wrote...

jeweledleah wrote...
I'm actually hoping for more or less equal exposure. just becasue bioware decided to sideline VS for a game, doesn't mean fans of other characters should be "punished" now. especially LI's, I would not wish for another horizon on anyone.

You are aware that Bioware doesn't owe anything to particular group of fans? I'm shocked so many of you wish to see this. Not everyone is equal and equaly important and there is no reason for Bioware to make them so.

I for one, just want a good story to finally unfold, without forcing too many characters in the spotlight.

which is why I said more or less.  what I'm aware of, is that bioware owes it to themselves to tell a good story and to develop the characters they created - all of them instead of resorting to focusing on particular fan favorites or what not.  each and every major character they created is important in their own way.   I'm not asking for minor character to have large exposure.  it would be nice to get something more then an e-mail, but its not necessary. 

major character though, squadmates and npc's alike?  they deserve better then to be sidelined because some fans do NOT like them or because some fans have a favorite and want that favorite to shine above all else.  what bioware owes to their fans is none of the "you made the wrong choice" that DA team in particular seems to be so fond of.  they owe it to the fans to come through with their promise of different choices being viable and not necessarily one better then the other - be it renegade or paragon, or a choice of LI.  Bioware wrote all this charcters and to say - you know what?  we decided after a fact that some characters are more equal then others, and you just have to deal - is a cheap copout. 

this "my LI is better then yours and they deserve all the spotlight" or "My LI was mistreated, sonow they deserve more exposure, while your LI shoudl be sidelined now" has GOT to stop.

P.S.  if that wasn't clear - I'm not actualy asking for them to be all squadmates.  character development and roughly equal ammounts of dialogue can happen without that. what I'm asking for is please, for the love of all that's holy not another Horizon.

Modifié par jeweledleah, 04 octobre 2011 - 10:09 .

[Fishy]

 I would not have every ex-companion follow you . But they would have some sort of quest  and shelter in the game where you can go and speak to them.

For instance Ashley would not be a perma companions but would/could join you during several mission (Some personal and some for your own quest) and you could maybe talk to her through the phone/web or visit her. The relationship would  get better  if you talk/visit or take her has a companion during some of the mission that she's available. That would be the case for every companions except a few one that would follow you.

The whole 'companion wait for you to talk to em inside the ship' would be eliminated . So no more calibration.
Of course you could talk to em at any given moment but they simply would not stand there doing nothing inside the  Each of them would have  their personnal agenda.

Wrez would be on Tuchanka with Grunt or some planet in the same system . Tali would do Migrant fleet stuff etc . Depending of your choice  throughout the game some would join you at the end. Some of the choice would be very difficult . Like choosing between helping Tali and the Migrant fleet or helping Garrus and the Turian.

That my idea anyway.

Modifié par Suprez30, 04 octobre 2011 - 10:05 .

[CptData]

jeweledleah wrote...

*snip*
major character though, squadmates and npc's alike?  they deserve better then to be sidelined because some fans do NOT like them or because some fans have a favorite and want that favorite to shine above all else.  what bioware owes to their fans is none of the "you made the wrong choice" that DA team in particular seems to be so fond of.  they owe it to the fans to come through with their promise of different choices being viable and not necessarily one better then the other - be it renegade or paragon, or a choice of LI.  Bioware wrote all this charcters and to say - you know what?  we decided after a fact that some characters are more equal then others, and you just have to deal - is a cheap copout. 

this "my LI is better then yours and they deserve all the spotlight" or "My LI was mistreated, sonow they deserve more exposure, while your LI shoudl be sidelined now" has GOT to stop.
*snip*

Actually, it's possible to have a tradeoff of some sort. Why not giving additional space to your current LI? Means, BW "just" has to add additional paths of special missions regarding your active LI. If you have Ashley as your LI, she'll overshadow any other character. If it's Liara, so she will overshadow everyone else. Same for Garrus, Tali, Jacob etc - the current LI comes with an extra branch of missions so you can deepen your romantic relationship.

In case you're no longer following your old LI, you won't see that story arc, but you'll unlock another story arc if you go for a new LI. Easy as it is.

I can't see a problem here. It's a tradeoff, yes, but it would make your LI more significant than just for a short clip of eroticness.

[Knight of Dane]

IsaacShep wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

The most important thing they do is die, and only one of them does that

Hell yeah, it's only like one of the most memorable if not the most memorable moment of ME1. Who the hell apart from ultra-hardcore fans even remembers about Tali "walking Codex" Zorah's geth data mini-side-quest from ME1?

Umad?

[diamondedge]

bioware owes it to themselves to tell a good story and to develop the characters they created - all of them instead of resorting to focusing on particular fan favorites or what not.

Bioware wrote all this charcters and to say - you know what?  we decided after a fact that some characters are more equal then others, and you just have to deal - is a cheap copout. 

This has already happened, don't you see? None of ME2 characters are integral to ME3 plot. If they're there it's fine, but ME3 happens with them there or not. They re more like added "bonus". The more careful you were with your game, the more bonuses you get.

Garrus - as awesome and loved as he is - is essentially just gun for hire. Plot wise, he is totally expendable. Samara? Jack? Jacob? Even Miranda, who I love to death. If we get really technical that's pretty much all of ME2 crew.

Liara and VS already get "special" treatment at this point - they were purposefully left outof ME2 for the sake of them being integral part of ME3.

And oh boy, they made sure this gets across. Liara is now a Shadow Broker - arguably the most influential person in the known galaxy AND a love interest on top, VS is now a fellow spectre and another love interest. Of course they are going to get better treatment during the course of the story and its pointless to even argue that. All the other fan favorites are certainly going to get some way of closure of another - but it's clear that Liara and VS will take the spotlight.

Modifié par diamondedge, 04 octobre 2011 - 10:52 .

[elarem]

Do I think the VS and Liara will overshadow the other characters in ME3? No.
Do I think Liara will overshadow the other characters in ME3? Yes.

Even though there are characters in ME and ME2 that I can't stand (none of them human I might add) I feel that Liara, together with Tali and Garrus to some extent, will steal the thunder of the others.

I'm holding onto the faint hope that the VS really will pull off the impossible and be important to the story without being indoctrinated (which would be just lame!) But I'm not holding my breath.

[CptData]

Hmm, actually, I don't believe the VS will end indoctrinated. However, it would fit to Liara in some way. As the SB she wields as much (if not even more) power in her hands as TIM. And TIM gets indoctrinated, so Liara could get indoctrinated as well.

The VS will play a significant role, since Ash/Kaidan is a Spectre in ME3. Either the VS will be a permanent squadmate or will have his/her parallel mission that crosses path with Shepard's mission from time to time. Can imagine both. I'd like to have VS as a permanent squadmate, but I'm not a BW-dev, so I can't change ME3 if they decide to NOT make VS permanent.

[V-rex]

I imagine that the ones who are confirmed squadmembers will get more screentime and dialogue then the rest, odds are the majority of Mass Effect 2 characters will only have secondary roles in the story. While I agree that this sucks it's probably favourable to trying to shove sixteen characters into central roles in the story.
This is yet another reason I don't care for Mass Effect 2, it had two many characters, too many plot threads and two many romance paths all of which warrant a fully detailed resolution. They just keep making it harder for themselves.

Anyway I expect that Ashley/Kaidan and Liara WILL be central to the plot, after all that's bioware's excuse for why they were left out of the game. I'm certainly hoping that the VS at least gets plenty of screentime because frankly they were left out of the game in the second one and their new Spectre Status and the effort to patching things up deserve proper attention.
Plus I think they have the potential for interesting character arcs, Ashley for example was the character who had the perspective of a new person in a strange new galaxy and was, subsequently, hesitant and untrusting. Given that a central theme of the game was about humanity joining up with other races and dealing with new cultures, I thought it was quite good that they had a character who was hesitant and pessimistic about the whole situation, it was also good that you had the option to either change her view to a more positive one or reinforce the negative view she alreay had depending on your Shepard.
I admit the way it was handled leaves a lot to be desired, but as it stands Ashley is a character bound by loyalty due to a heavy connection to the past, and the potential exists in Mass Effect 3 (especially given her new Spectre Status) for her to be able to undergo a great moment of character development and change during the events of the game.
That said do I want her to get a huge amount of screentime at the expense of other characters? Well, no. I wouldn't ever say that I actually wanted her to 'overshadow' everyone elsebecause that would imply some dislike for other characters and possible contempt for other fanbases an I don't have that.
Given that I am a VS fan who had to suffer through the sh#t heap of Horizon and then my favorite character absent for the rest of Mass Effect for almost two years, I certainly wouldn't want any other fanbase to have to go through the same annoyance and feelings of underappreciation, and if I acted like I didn't care that say, the Miranda fans won't get their fair share, then even though I strongly dislike Miranda that would make me a hypocrite.
And I try to avoid being a hyporcrite.

I just hope that my favorite character gets a lot of decent solid screentime, and I would extend tha hope towards others.


That said I suspect that, given their huge popularity, Garrus and Tali will probably get lots of screentime. As will Liara even though frankly I think she's had more then her fair share.
Anyway my time for this computer is running out, which is a shame because I had more to say.

[CptData]

jreezy wrote...

CptData wrote...

Hmm, actually, I don't believe the VS will end indoctrinated. However, it would fit to Liara in some way. As the SB she wields as much (if not even more) power in her hands as TIM. And TIM gets indoctrinated, so Liara could get indoctrinated as well.

Wow that comparison makes no kind of sense.

It does for me.

What would you do if you want to create as much havoc as possible? I would go for weakspots. And TIM + the SB are HUGE weakspots in the ME-universe. You can use both to start a war within minutes between every single race ...

[Dariustwinblade]

Liara wont be Indoctrinated. Bioware made it clear she isn't Benezia V2. And she wont be her mother.

If any thing she might find the cure to indoctrination. As she seems to take Mordins place as Normandy's scientist/info bank.

[CptData]

Dariustwinblade wrote...

Liara wont be Indoctrinated. Bioware made it clear she isn't Benezia V2. And she wont be her mother.

If any thing she might find the cure to indoctrination. As she seems to take Mordins place as Normandy's scientist/info bank.

Okay, if BW said so ...

Lets hope the VS won't get indoctrinated either. I'd hate so see my LI indoctrinated just because BW decided to do so. In that case any player staying faithful to his LI from ME would get punished in some way. At least I don't want to get forced to either sacrifice my ME-LI because of indoctrination.

The thing is: can you avoid getting anyone of your (permanent and temporary) squaddies indoctrinated? If yes, everything is fine. You just have to do certain missions to avoid indoctrination. If no, I hope there's a way to rescue indoctrinated characters without sacrificing everything else.

[Dariustwinblade]

No Indoctrinated squaddi pls

[Spanky Magoo]

I think that they will get more screen time than they should, but hopefully those who actually liked the me2 squad more "me" wont feel to left out at the end. I'm always pretty cynical but I just have a feeling Im going to be stuck with the alliance squaddies whether I want them or not.

[Angmir]

Collider wrote...

I'm so ultra hardcore, I can remember a sidequest from a game.

NO - you are hardcore if you can remember all of the Cerberus Network daily news in chronological order remebering all the dates of particular news

Modifié par Angmir, 16 octobre 2011 - 11:06 .

[Robhuzz]

CptData wrote...

Dariustwinblade wrote...

Liara wont be Indoctrinated. Bioware made it clear she isn't Benezia V2. And she wont be her mother.

If any thing she might find the cure to indoctrination. As she seems to take Mordins place as Normandy's scientist/info bank.

Okay, if BW said so ...

Lets hope the VS won't get indoctrinated either. I'd hate so see my LI indoctrinated just because BW decided to do so. In that case any player staying faithful to his LI from ME would get punished in some way. At least I don't want to get forced to either sacrifice my ME-LI because of indoctrination.

The thing is: can you avoid getting anyone of your (permanent and temporary) squaddies indoctrinated? If yes, everything is fine. You just have to do certain missions to avoid indoctrination. If no, I hope there's a way to rescue indoctrinated characters without sacrificing everything else.

BioWare hasn't released much info regarding indoctrination so it could go either way. From how it looks now, the effects of indoctrination won't start until you've spent several days or even a week near one such signal (coming from either an artifact or a reaper itself) and as long as indoctrination hasn't taken hold yet, the effects aren't cumulative. I think it's unlikely any of your squad would be indoctrinated unless one of them spends several days in the vicinity of a Reaper...

Of course nothing is known about what happens when a reaper purposely indoctrinates a single person quickly to turn it into a mindless slave.

[BatmanPWNS]

I am going to get them killed anyway so might as well let them have their 15 minutes of fame.

[Asari_Party]

I hope so.