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An Appreciation Thread: Companions on Friendship and Rivlary


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dragonflight288

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Right, I figured whatever discussions occuer here will likely include storyline spoilers from every individual companion's quests or whatnot, that I figured this would do well here...and considering how off track other threads get this should be no different in my view.

I've been playing DA 2 again and I've been focusing on playing through with companions on the opposite side of the approval meter than I normally do. I have gained a much greater appreciation of each individual character and a greater understanding about them.

Before I go further in depth, I would like to make it clear that I didn't make this thread to debate the intelligence, morality, good/evil factor of each character, but rather a way to look at and appreciate each character's personality traits that may or may not appear on either side of the friend/rival spectrum. Right on to the people.

I'll start off on friendship and what we see from each companion.

Aveline: Hawke and Aveline work together for just causes and keeping Order in Kirkwall. She shows great loyalty and friendship with Hawke and goes out of her way to overlook minor misdeamenors Hawke and company commit because she's friends with them and doesn't want to see them jailed or hurt. And acknowledging that the Circle is meant as a way to help keep order, because the templars and the mages fighting would be chaotic and dangerous. Maintaining the status quo is less about freedom vs security but about protecting the bystanders caught in the sidelines.

Isabella: I simply can't do Aveline without Isabella for contrast....wait that came out wrong. Oh whatever, Isabella won't mind. Isabella and Hawke are certainly not sticks in the mud and Hawke is more than willing to commit crimes for profit. Smuggling, piracy, stealing, whatever. He knows how to have a good time and Isabella is along for the ride, loving every minute of it.

Fenris: It's more than a shared hatred of magic or general agreement that slavery is wrong. It's the willingness to help him hunt down and destroy Danarius, Hadrianna, and all those associated with them. It's about helping Fenris find revenge or justice because he knows he can't get it anywhere else.

Anders: It's not really so much mages are poor and innocent oppressed as much as it isn't Justice being in Anders is good. It's combination of both. Anders sees merging with Justice (at the time of it in any case) as a necessity to be free, and a way to help mages gain a freedom neither of them could do by being alone. Justice needed a host and Anders needed power to act with templars killing him on the spot. The two combined and created a powerful force of vengeance meant to free all mages and destroy all templars. I personally believe they affected each other to the point of forgetting that Justice often goes against mages for crimes committed by the not-always-innocent mages.

Merrill: Ah Merrill....I can never play a game without romancing her. I have played both friendship and rivalry (ugh) and I infinitely prefer the friendship. For her it's the duty of the Keeper to remember the past....even the dangerous things. She seeks answers from the past to help her people in the present and aid them in the future. If she completely restores the Eluvian, the Dalish people as a whole will benefit with new technology long since lost. They will have knowledge of ancient Arlathan magic and artifacts so maybe they could recreate their own on their own terms once they know the process. She also has a scientific curiosity to anything old and related to magic.

She'll approve of Hawke being open minded, meaning willing to use the Altar of Dumat or reading Tahrone's tomes in Act 2 (fascinating codex entries, they mention one of the side quest bosses we kill in Origins...Gaxkang the Unbound) On the frienship path, Hawke sees Merrill's work as important and most definitely worth the risks.

Varic: What can I say...he's Varic. He talks enough for me as it is.

Sebastian: We first see him acting on his first impulsive decision to hunt Flint Company. However, after meeting the Desire demon that corrupted the Heriman's and finding himself tempted by the exact same thing, he cannot let go of her words and fears he will become corrupted by power. He wishes to let go of his wordly title for a life of contemplation. He is torn because he wants to retake Starkhaven but fears what may happen to his soul if he does.

He therefore looks to Hawke for inspiration and guidance. Hawke on the friendship path encourages him to keep his oaths he made before he even met Hawke. He does not want to harm anyone with war in the end, thinking about the common people of Starkhaven and not the nobles playing petty politics.

Carver: He's a ****** no matter how you play him. He's just less a ****** as a Warden. Still entertaining and feels like a real brother.

Bethany: Sweet girl with a vicious streak in her. She's he one who suggests we break into the manor and kill all the slavers after all. All she wants in life is to be normal and begrudges the fact that she can't. Is the perfect example of an apostate in hiding because she is desperately trying to stay out of the spotlight.

Now for the rivalry path.

Aveline:  Hawke is a criminal who consistantly gets on Aveline's nerves. The only thing keeping her from arresting Hawke is their shared history with the death of Sibling A and Wesley. She feels overprotective of Hawke, even when she's punching Hawke's face in.

Isabella: Feels like Hawke is a goody-two shoes and a stick in the mud, but ultimately grows to respect him/her. Hawke tries to help her reform, with little success but the friendship is there.

Fenris: It's less about mages are good and everyone else picks on them, but more about dealing with his hatred. Hawke is trying to help Fenris realize his hatred is a poison that is eating him from the inside and is destroying him. Fenris absolutely hates being told this because Hawke doesn't know what it's like to be a slave and he cannot get over his views on blood magic and mages justifying power as he had seen it done excessively in Tevinter.

Anders: Anders feels that Hawke is either not supporting mages or the means that would help mages (him and Justice merging). He gradually grows to understand that his idea to merge was rash and he desperately tries harder to control it than he does on the friendship path...but he's far more destructive as well because he has quite the temper.

Varic: Never managed to rival him.

Merrill: ugh :sick:...Hawke is trying to help Merrill by warning her away from dangerous knowledge like the eluvian and blood magic (I did this as a nice Hawke...don't ask me how. I don't remember how I accomplished it) but Hawke was genuinely concerned for Merrill. I personally think it was Hawke trying to say that Knowledge is very dangerous and he didn't want to lose her because something was more dangerous than expected.

Still prefer friendship by....A LOT :ph34r:

Sebastian: After a crisis of consciense after meeting Allure, he looks to Hawke for some kind of inspiration. He sees all the good Hawke does, but he also sees how mage damage Hawke does in the process. He believes that sometimes the ends justify the means and in order to make an omellete, some eggs do need to be cracked....like the corrupt nobles in Starkhaven.

Carver/Bethany: same as above.

I could easily go into a lot more depth on each othe characters, but by playing both sides (except for Varic), I have gained a greater appreciation of their characters and how they develop.

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Dave of Canada

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I generally prefer doing rivalry with everybody except Varric (though I still rivalry him due to no big differences between both) and Fenris, it usually resolves their conflicts and makes them "better" people (Anders excluded, though 'tis funny how he tries to please me) or sets them up with future where I'm interested in seeing going.

That and my Hawke doesn't too care too much for their problems, so it fits incharacter.
  • Isabela without her ship and trying to be a "nice" person? Sounds interesting to me!
  • Aveline heading back to Ferelden? It needs all the help it can get!
  • Sebastian understands that he can't please everybody and he must step on people's toes? He'll make a fine ruler.
  • Anders is losing his mind? Least he isn't that happy with the results of his explosion before I shank him.
  • Merrill says "Screw the Eluvian!"? Well, good for her. She won't waste her time anymore!
  • Varric tells scary / bad stories about you? Let them fear me! /flex
Only rivalry I did for giggles was Bethany's rivalry, she's probably worse than Carver in the snippy attitude you recieve. Hell, she almost implies she wants you dead. Least it turns the bitter-but-not-really-hating-you friendship into something which makes more sense to me, I guess.

I enjoy the Fenris friendship simply because my Hawke tends to agree with him on everything and the rivalry usually just results in him being angry all the time.

Modifié par Dave of Canada, 04 octobre 2011 - 06:36 .


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 In my main playthrough of Hawke, I try to play him as heroic as possible.  This therefore dictates the kinds of relationships that I pursue with the companions.
  • Anders: Hawke and Anders share the same desire to protect the rights of Mages, though not to the same degree.   Like Anders, Hawke dislikes bloodmagic and mages who abuse there power.  However, Hawke does not share Ander's hatred of the Templars, nor is he willing to kill innocents to advance his goals.
  • Aveline: SInce both characters seek to protect those who can't protect themselves, they both natrually become good friends.  And Hawke's witty personality constrasts nicely with Aveline's more serious demenor.
  • Bethany:  Hawke is always looking out for his little sister, something that she appreciates.
  • Carver: Is dead, since I play warrior.
  • Fenris:   Hawke recognizes that Fernris' anger is as much a danger to himself as to his enemies, and therefore seeks to help him to let go of it.
  • Isabela: Hawke see's in Isabela a good person pretending to be more of a scoundril than she really is.  As such he is always pushing her, much to her consernation, to be a better person.  Even if that means she does not get her boat in the end.
  • Merrill:  Hawke's romantic intrests, he belives Merrill herself is worth far more than anything that could be gained from her mirror.
  • Varric:  Hawke's best buddy, he always has Varric's back.
 

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For me, Friendship is key to almost everyone for various reasons. 

  • Merrill: I too cannot ever romance anyone other than Merrill for my Male Hawkes. It's far too painful to romance anyone else, and many posters have seen my staunch defense of agreeing with her. Friendship is and always will be the most satisfying route for me, for many reasons. Possibly the biggest one being Hawke is a human and he knows literally nothing about Elven culture, so he should not tell Merrill what she should do. And after Legacy, Hawke will have seen how blood magic can indeed be used for good purposes. Not to mention Merrill's lack of contracting the taint is proof that the Eluvian shard was cleansed, so there's nothing to fear. Oh and Marethari's spreading of lies that have no real basis after she and Merrill went over the shard being cleansed many times before, and then Marethari has the audacity to ask Merrill to return to a clan that now fears her and hates her. Rivaling Merrill has her thinking she can lean on no one for support, and that's one of the biggest reasons why I don't Rival her (don't believe me? Read her Rivalry description in her Dalish Pariah tree)
  • Fenris: My Hawkes disagree with how Fenris views mages, but they do support his quest for seeking justice/vengeance against Danarius. Hawke wants to show Fenris that not every mage is how he believes them to be. Personally -- and I'm going off of memory here -- Rivalry didn't achieve that for me, so I roleplay my Hawkes to doing so on the Friendship path. I've only done Rivalry once before, and since then it's always been Friendship. So while Hawke supports his mission against Danarius and Hadriana, he wants Fenris to also understand that he needs to change how he views mages as a whole. One of the key steps to that is Varania staying alive, because even Varric remarks that it's the last thing he'd want to do. With her alive, Fenris realizes that magic is in his blood and is quite possibly the very thing that let him survive that ritual he fought so hard to earn in the competition (or at least that's how I see it). The one thing that magic didn't spoil was Fenris himself, because it helped him survive. The sheer irony of it all.
  • Varric: Varric is Varric, and he's a bro forever after. I will never Rival him.
  • Aveline: Aveline is one of Hawke's closest companions, and she lost much to the Blight. Her husband was killed, and Hawke wants Aveline to know that Hawke will be there for her. As a Warrior or Rogue, Hawke prides himself on keeping Kirkwall a safe city. As a Mage, he wants the whole city-state to know that Mages can do good. Either way, he prides himself on keeping the city-state a safe place (though DAII does not allow for me to do this the way I want, but that's another matter).
  • Anders: I go on the Friendship path with Anders for a few reasons. The first is that I'm pro-mage. The second is that even if I did Rival him as a pro-mage person, he treats me like I'm anti-mage when I'm really just anti-Anders on certain things, so going down the Rival path is pointless to me if the reactions aren't the way they should be.
  • Isabela: Isabela is a wild card. She likes to have fun and get her hands dirty, but she's not without her charms and her good points. She abhors slavery, but she's all for extorting people for personal gain. My Hawke sees a good solid friend in her that can have a good time while still doing what needs to be done, and so they always joke with her as well as with Varric. Hawke isn't afraid to do what he needs to do to get something done, and if that means getting his hands dirty then he'll just make a mental note to take a bath with Merrill.
  • Sebastian: The only person whom I will always Rival. Going down the Rivalry path with him still establishes that the two are great friends and that Hawke only wants Sebastian to do what's best for his people. And that requires that he be out of the Chantry. As the last true heir to Starkhaven, he cannot be a man of the cloth. Goran Vael is not only simple but a puppet. With Sebastian on the throne, he can be a fair and just ruler. Sebastian's departure is something I want changed, but not so that he stays in the party. I'm all for him leaving, but I want it to be for a different reason. Rather, my ideas for DAII are different from Bioware's. But alas, it doesn't matter.
  • Carver: I go between which ones I do on my playthroughs, but I'll always make him a Warden. I'm hoping that there's a way I can get him to Friendship without selling out mages, but meh.
  • Bethany: I can't rival her. I just can't. I have bounced back and forth though between Circle Mage Bethany and Warden Bethany. They're both satisfying to me for various reasons. One being I prefer Warden Bethany's robes over CM Bethany's. I do however think Bioware handled Bethany's Circle departure poorly for when someone returns from the Deep Roads. There should've been at least 50 Templars stationed outside the house led by definitely Cullen, Thrask, and Meredith. At least then, the player could feel that fighting them wouldn't be the wise action but also say "At least Thrask knows who my sister is and will keep her safe".