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[Jedi Master of Orion]

It's been a long time since I've seen Deep Space Nine so I could be remembering wrong but I get the impression that unlike the Jem'Hadar, templars can survive without lyrium if they are cut off.

And as far as the length of succumbing to lyrium addiction, I think templars can function without impairment for decades before the effects of lyrium exposure become too debilitating.

[whykikyouwhy]

I would imagine that lyrium is given to the templars as part of their training, specifically when they are training in their pesky mage-finding/magic-negating ways. So as often as the train, so are they provided with lyrium. But since the Chantry controls the lyrium trade, I would imagine that it would be quite easy to obtain the stuff on the sly (didn't Samson talk about the rampant addiction?).

As for when Circle mages are allowed access to lyrium, I'm not sure. Probably in the same sort of measured exercises? And of course, this might vary from Circle to Circle. I doubt that Kirkwall's Circle mages eere allowed the random, unplanned Fade romp, even if they promised to send a postcard.

I greatly suspect that the cheese in Thedas is often infused with lyrium, which would explain why certain templars (Alistair) may have an affinity for it.

[MichaelFinnegan]

Rojahar wrote...

I don't remember in-game what was suggested in DAO, but I could use a codex or two to help answer some of the questions. Particularly, this.

How long does it take for a Templar to succumb to lyrium addiction?

Unknown. "Over time" is what has been suggested.

How long until minor effects, and what are those effects?

Again, going by the codex, it's unknown what, if any, are the short or even medium term effects.

How long until major effects, and what are those effects?

The thing to remember is templars are affected mentally.

If a Templar was cutoff, such as the imprisoned Templar in DAO, how long would they last before ending up like that Templar?

Questions regarding exact time durations are impossible to answer at the moment, I think, unless something was suggested in-game which I misremember. All we have is "over a period of time" for ill-effects of lyrium usage to appear. I think lyrium withdrawal might involve shorter timeframes.

Also, Mages ingest Lyrium, similar to Templars, but they use it for when entering the Fade. Can Mages become addicted to Lyrium?

They perhaps could. The codex on lyrium suggests that mages suffer physical mutation in addition to what the templars suffer, so I'd guess prolonged use could make them addicted. Since the Chantry would be regulating the usage of lyrium, I'd doubt the templar order would provide anything to the mages, except for special circumstances, such as to enter the Fade, or during battle, when lyrium could be used to boost the power of spells or allow mages to cast more spells without taxing themselves.

I'd also like to know more about the lyrium / Templar / Chantry relationship. Is the lyrium withheld from the Templars, given to them by Chantry priests? How guarded and controlled is lyrium from Circle Mages and Templars? Is it basically like the Jem'Hadar and Ketracel White? Do Templars carry or keep any lyrium on them for when they're on extended hunts or travelling?

I don't know who/what Jem'Hadar and Ketracel White are. A point to wonder about is why would Circle mages be given lyrium at all, unless for special circumstances. It's unlikely that we'd know about the effects of long term lyrium usage on mages within the domain of the White Chantry. One'd have to go to Tevinter to really understand what effects lyrium could have on mages/magisters, who presumably would be more at liberty to use it for extended periods of time. Brother Genitivi during his travels might have encountered or at least heard about such effects, and as he notes there is both mental and physical degeneration.

As for the other questions regarding templars, one'd need to know whether lyrium'd really enhance templar abilities. I think it might despite what Alistair seems to think. Now the question is, at least going by what Alistair says in DAO, whether the Chantry, as an active policy, might be deliberately encouraging templars to use lyrium more, say on a daily basis, so as to get them addicted and bring about lyrium withdrawal. There is, I believe, scant evidence for this. Certain groups within the Chantry might be doing this within some Circles, or there might be black markets and smuggling involved. But these are secondary things, not necessarily involving any kind of active policy.

I'm not sure whether actually Chantry priests might be involved with administering lyrium. It could be some entirely different arm of the Chantry. At least I don't remember this suggested anywhere.

Modifié par MichaelFinnegan, 04 octobre 2011 - 04:19 .

[Sir JK]

I'd suspect the individual tolerance to Lyrium exposure varies between Templars (kind of like tolerances to drugs do). Some can take more, some less. We've only encountered one that was addled; the elderly retired templar at the Denerim chantry. His assistant/fellow said that he was well beyond retirement so that hints that it's more like dementia than mind-warping. Mind, the codex entry both corroborates that (that some teplars do indeed lose touch with the world) it also says that some become violent or paranoid. So, again... exact effect probably varies individually. Not all lose their minds, not all become violent.

Withdrawal does indeed seem serious with Irminric who is going completely mad from it. Yet, Samson in DA2 seem to be taking his lyrium withdrawal much better. The former is practically mad, while the latter suffers, but keeps his mind. So maybe there's individual variations as well. It's unclear wether there's much difference in time between Samson's dismissal and Irminric's imprisoning. Samson might also have gotten hold of lyrium through alterante means. Other than that we haven't seen much of the wihdrawal.

Mind... Lyrium's negative effect aren't limited to Templars. Mothers Perpetua and Theofila in Denerim tells us of a fellow of theirs, a brother, who tended to the lyrium stocks in the warehouse and one day just went stark raving mad (and drowned in elderberry wine). Similarily, there's one dwarf merchant in Orzammar that claims to be working with Lyrium that seems to have a few loose bolts and Bartrand at the exposure of the red lyrium artifact (and Meredith) became rather paranoid. So the mind addling effect seems to be exposure to raw lyrium and even affect dwarves. No data on tranquil in that regard. According to the lore, mages find the same type of exposure lethal.