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[DJRackham]

Drudgie wrote...

annihilator27 wrote...

Hah Yes Reapers wrote...

I like Garrus but I kinda want to see this happen to see the nuclear apocalypse from the ME fanbase!


*devil smiley*

No, That would be Tali not being a permanent squadmate and dying in the game.Flames forever burning.

i killed  tali already no one gives Legion jip on my ship

Did I mention that I sold Legion off to Cerberus in my current play through? 

Modifié par DJRackham, 06 octobre 2011 - 10:32 .

[DJRackham]

Ah yes, "tolerance". We have dismissed that claim.  

[_purifico_]

I love Garrus. My second favorite character in ME univrse. But If he has to die a scripted unavoidable death, so be it. It is war, and people do die in it. People can rage and cry the delicious bio**** tears and threaten to never buy another Bioware game EVAH again, but the truth is that they will. Because people who feel being entitled to something by proxy usually don't have the guts to take a stand and vote with their wallet.

So yeah, I'm with those who support Garrus dying just for the sake of pissing off rabid fans.

Modifié par _purifico_, 06 octobre 2011 - 12:05 .

[Shinobu]

Computer_God91 wrote...

Shinobu wrote...

I'm good with Garrus' death being a possibility, even a likely one. But if it is 100% guaranteed no matter what choices I make, I will ragequit the franchise.

Good. I want people like you to rage quit the francise. That just means all of you that do don't have the stones to live with someone you adore dying.

On the contrary, I'm fine with him dying if it is a logical consequence of circumstances I help shape through my choices in the game. In fact, I would definitely let Garrus die on one playthrough just so I can experience the trauma. However, if the death is scripted and unavoidable there is no replay value to the game and I will move on to something else. I wouldn't bother buying any more ME games because being suckerpunched AGAIN after DA2 would just be the last straw for me.

[Shinobu]

DJRackham wrote...

Ah yes, "tolerance". We have dismissed that claim.  

:wub:

[Lotion Soronarr]

Shinobu wrote...

On the contrary, I'm fine with him dying if it is a logical consequence of circumstances I help shape through my choices in the game. In fact, I would definitely let Garrus die on one playthrough just so I can experience the trauma. However, if the death is scripted and unavoidable there is no replay value to the game and I will move on to something else. I wouldn't bother buying any more ME games because being suckerpunched AGAIN after DA2 would just be the last straw for me.

Garrus dies = no replayability?

ERm..how exactly does that work? There's hunderds of different choices in eh game. How does one thing not being a choice destroy all of the replay value?

Modifié par Lotion Soronnar, 06 octobre 2011 - 01:17 .

[The Spamming Troll]

prolly because they LOVE garrus. in the same way i LOVE biotics. i cant play the game alot becasue i cant find a challenge that fits my adepts gameplay. meaning the game collects dust on the shelf. theres alot of reasons you can find why you play the game, im sure theres alot of reason why not to play the game too. if garrus/biotics werent in ME3, then we simply wouldnt play it.

[Mwames]

Does this belong in the Characters and Romance section?

[DJRackham]

Mwames wrote...

Does this belong in the Characters and Romance section?

Garrus isn't a character? 

[roflchoppaz]

DJRackham wrote...

Mwames wrote...

Does this belong in the Characters and Romance section?

Garrus isn't a character? 

He's not just a character.

He needs his own forum section.

[Chewin]

roflchoppaz wrote...
He's not just a character.

He needs his own forum section.

Why not just give him his own site while we're at it.

[DJRackham]

Chewin3 wrote...

roflchoppaz wrote...
He's not just a character.

He needs his own forum section.

Why not just give him his own site while we're at it.

He's going to get killed off in my current ME 2 play through anyway. That will solve the whole problem. 

Modifié par DJRackham, 06 octobre 2011 - 04:52 .

[roflchoppaz]

DJRackham wrote...

Chewin3 wrote...

roflchoppaz wrote...
He's not just a character.

He needs his own forum section.

Why not just give him his own site while we're at it.

He's going to get killed off in my current ME 2 play through anyway. That will solve the whole problem. 

What? Why would you do that?

[DJRackham]

roflchoppaz wrote...

DJRackham wrote...
He's going to get killed off in my current ME 2 play through anyway. That will solve the whole problem. 

What? Why would you do that?

Change of pace mainly. I'm working on my xenophobic Renegage kill everything that moves playthrough. 

Edit: It's also the only play through where Kaidan will survive Virmire. 

Modifié par DJRackham, 06 octobre 2011 - 05:17 .

[Computer_God91]

Shinobu wrote...

Computer_God91 wrote...

Shinobu wrote...

I'm good with Garrus' death being a possibility, even a likely one. But if it is 100% guaranteed no matter what choices I make, I will ragequit the franchise.

Good. I want people like you to rage quit the francise. That just means all of you that do don't have the stones to live with someone you adore dying.

On the contrary, I'm fine with him dying if it is a logical consequence of circumstances I help shape through my choices in the game. In fact, I would definitely let Garrus die on one playthrough just so I can experience the trauma. However, if the death is scripted and unavoidable there is no replay value to the game and I will move on to something else. I wouldn't bother buying any more ME games because being suckerpunched AGAIN after DA2 would just be the last straw for me.

Really? Just because one character has a scripted death there is no replay value? I'll tell you I didn't want to leave Kaiden on Virmire, I wanted to save everyone, but I couldn't. That made the game so much better to me, that I couldn't save everyone that someone was going to die. Because if I had the choice nobody would have died on Virmire. I've replayed ME1 about 15 times or more and just because someone has a scripted death didn't make me put the game down. Garrus isn't Mass Effect. He is a character in the game and has equal if not higher possiblity to die off outside of your control just like the Virmire choice. I didn't want Ducan to die at Ostigar in DA:O but he did. I didn't quit then just cause someone I liked died.

Even if Garrus died heroicly to save you or just died like a total hero, but you had no control over it, that wouldn't satisfy you? you'd toss in the towel because a great character died? Sorry but we can't always play god and have 100% control over every characters life. I know what you'll say, You can choose who to leave on Virmire but to some of us it's not a choice because even if we don't want to leave Kaiden we just can't leave Ashley, even if we don't romance her. Maybe you'll try and turn the tables and say what if Ashley had a scripted death in ME3? To that I'd say I'd love it as long as she dies in a good way and not just get sniped or something. Sometimes people die and it's outside your control. Learn to live with it.

Modifié par Computer_God91, 06 octobre 2011 - 05:10 .

[The Interloper]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Shinobu wrote...

On the contrary, I'm fine with him dying if it is a logical consequence of circumstances I help shape through my choices in the game. In fact, I would definitely let Garrus die on one playthrough just so I can experience the trauma. However, if the death is scripted and unavoidable there is no replay value to the game and I will move on to something else. I wouldn't bother buying any more ME games because being suckerpunched AGAIN after DA2 would just be the last straw for me.

Garrus dies = no replayability?

ERm..how exactly does that work? There's hunderds of different choices in eh game. How does one thing not being a choice destroy all of the replay value?

Because ME is all about teh' calibrations. Duh.

OT making the emotional climax of a three game series based on choice the mandatory death of a side character whose main noteworthy trait is the fandom obsession and who can be dead already is dumb in so many ways, and an appropriate theory considering the source is a single unreliable publication.

Though I wonder how a VS situation between Garrus and Tali would turn out. That's a toughie. Maybe if it lets me insert Grunt instead...

[Computer_God91]

The Interloper wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Shinobu wrote...

On the contrary, I'm fine with him dying if it is a logical consequence of circumstances I help shape through my choices in the game. In fact, I would definitely let Garrus die on one playthrough just so I can experience the trauma. However, if the death is scripted and unavoidable there is no replay value to the game and I will move on to something else. I wouldn't bother buying any more ME games because being suckerpunched AGAIN after DA2 would just be the last straw for me.

Garrus dies = no replayability?

ERm..how exactly does that work? There's hunderds of different choices in eh game. How does one thing not being a choice destroy all of the replay value?

Because ME is all about teh' calibrations. Duh.

OT making the emotional climax of a three game series based on choice the mandatory death of a side character whose main noteworthy trait is the fandom obsession and who can be dead already is dumb in so many ways, and an appropriate theory considering the source is a single unreliable publication.

Though I wonder how a VS situation between Garrus and Tali would turn out. That's a toughie. Maybe if it lets me insert Grunt instead...

Not to me. Between Garrus and Tali? Tali every time. I love them both but I have to go with Tali probably for the same weird reason I save Ashley everytime.

Modifié par Computer_God91, 06 octobre 2011 - 05:12 .

[The Elder King]

The Interloper wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Shinobu wrote...

On the contrary, I'm fine with him dying if it is a logical consequence of circumstances I help shape through my choices in the game. In fact, I would definitely let Garrus die on one playthrough just so I can experience the trauma. However, if the death is scripted and unavoidable there is no replay value to the game and I will move on to something else. I wouldn't bother buying any more ME games because being suckerpunched AGAIN after DA2 would just be the last straw for me.

Garrus dies = no replayability?

ERm..how exactly does that work? There's hunderds of different choices in eh game. How does one thing not being a choice destroy all of the replay value?

Because ME is all about teh' calibrations. Duh.

OT making the emotional climax of a three game series based on choice the mandatory death of a side character whose main noteworthy trait is the fandom obsession and who can be dead already is dumb in so many ways, and an appropriate theory considering the source is a single unreliable publication.

Though I wonder how a VS situation between Garrus and Tali would turn out. That's a toughie. Maybe if it lets me insert Grunt instead...

I really hope that there'll be some Virmire situation for some of the squadmates. Between Garrus and Tali, I'd choose to save Garrus.

[Destroy Raiden_]

If the game is building up a dramatic death for anyone it's shep.

[TheOptimist]

Meh.  This was a rumor way back in May.  I highly doubt there's any truth to it.  However, if there is some truth to it, I will be most unhappy.

[Shinobu]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Shinobu wrote...

On the contrary, I'm fine with him dying if it is a logical consequence of circumstances I help shape through my choices in the game. In fact, I would definitely let Garrus die on one playthrough just so I can experience the trauma. However, if the death is scripted and unavoidable there is no replay value to the game and I will move on to something else. I wouldn't bother buying any more ME games because being suckerpunched AGAIN after DA2 would just be the last straw for me.

Garrus dies = no replayability?

ERm..how exactly does that work? There's hunderds of different choices in eh game. How does one thing not being a choice destroy all of the replay value?

I should have said "for me." There are plenty of choices in the game -- most that I don't particularly care about (same with DA2). But to have THE one that really matters to me be unavailable, that turns me off. For example, not being able to side with the moderates in DA2 pretty much made me lose interest in playing again. Whether or not I let Fenris kill (REDACTED) didn't matter enough to me to warrant another playthrough.

Furthermore, a tearjerking scene is fine to see once, but to be forced to see it every time I play (especially in a franchise that touts its "choices") is a turnoff. In DA2, seeing (REDACTED)'s mother die was shocking and emotional the first time. I played that scene again to harvest video, and *YAWN* -- oh, it's 5 minutes of cutscenes that was meant to shock me. Don't really care to see it again. On the other hand, if I could have somehow saved her, even if it meant I  had to replay the entire game to make that one critical decision during the escape from Lothering, I would be willing to do it.  I'd play through at least twice -- once to save her, once to see her die a horrible death.

Scripted, 100% guaranteed death of an individual is annoying because it subverts the entire premise of the franchise: that choices matter. At a more base level, scripted death is BORING. I've played ME2 4 times now, and I'll play it several more. I lost some, I lost everyone, I lost no one. Planning who to let die was fun. Having squadmate X  die no matter what with no input of mine mattering: not fun.

[Shinobu]

Computer_God91 wrote...

Really? Just because one character has a scripted death there is no replay value? I'll tell you I didn't want to leave Kaiden on Virmire, I wanted to save everyone, but I couldn't. That made the game so much better to me, that I couldn't save everyone that someone was going to die. Because if I had the choice nobody would have died on Virmire. I've replayed ME1 about 15 times or more and just because someone has a scripted death didn't make me put the game down. Garrus isn't Mass Effect. He is a character in the game and has equal if not higher possiblity to die off outside of your control just like the Virmire choice. I didn't want Ducan to die at Ostigar in DA:O but he did. I didn't quit then just cause someone I liked died.

Even if Garrus died heroicly to save you or just died like a total hero, but you had no control over it, that wouldn't satisfy you? you'd toss in the towel because a great character died? Sorry but we can't always play god and have 100% control over every characters life. I know what you'll say, You can choose who to leave on Virmire but to some of us it's not a choice because even if we don't want to leave Kaiden we just can't leave Ashley, even if we don't romance her. Maybe you'll try and turn the tables and say what if Ashley had a scripted death in ME3? To that I'd say I'd love it as long as she dies in a good way and not just get sniped or something. Sometimes people die and it's outside your control. Learn to live with it.

Ok, what if Ashley dies an unavoidable,  pointless, nonheroic death in ME3. Won't you want to ragequit?

Virmire was an artificial situation, but it was still a choice -- even if you felt you had none. Having a Garrus/Tali Virmire situation would be cheap, but still preferable to no choice whatsoever.

Garrus going out in a blaze of glory would be awesome -- ONCE. Not every time I play the game. Having him trip and fall to his death might be interesting -- ONCE. Having him live and run off with my Shepard would be great six or seven times. :innocent: Having to watch the path of his life over 3 games come down to one scripted cutscene over and over again, no matter how awesome it is: NO.

I don't want to have control over every aspect of his life, I just want his life to have different possible outcomes. And it's a game whose devs have told me "my choices matter," so yes, I am expecting to be able to play God to a certain extent. Do I want to control whether he gets Corpalis syndrome? No. I can live with him getting a horrible fatal neurodegenerative disorder because that is outside of the realm of Shep's influence. Sh*t happens. But everything related to the Reaper war should be influenced by decisions Shep made earlier, including Garrus' potential death in combat.

[BlueMagitek]

hhh89 wrote...

I really hope that there'll be some Virmire situation for some of the squadmates. Between Garrus and Tali, I'd choose to save Garrus.

I don't know man, I think Garrus would be angry that you sacrificed someone for him; he just seems to be that sort of guy.

[Foryou]

God he dies in ME2 gosh...