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[Computer_God91]

Shinobu wrote...
Ok, what if Ashley dies an unavoidable,  pointless, nonheroic death in ME3. Won't you want to ragequit? 

I'd probably just laugh at how stupid and pointless it was. I romance Liara and she has plot armor. 

Shinobu wrote...

Virmire was an artificial situation, but it was still a choice -- even if you felt you had none. Having a Garrus/Tali Virmire situation would be cheap, but still preferable to no choice whatsoever.

Garrus going out in a blaze of glory would be awesome -- ONCE. Not every time I play the game. Having him trip and fall to his death might be interesting -- ONCE. Having him live and run off with my Shepard would be great six or seven times. :innocent: Having to watch the path of his life over 3 games come down to one scripted cutscene over and over again, no matter how awesome it is: NO.

Still a stupid reason. The only acceptable ending is him running off with your shepard. What if he was in a position where your shepard had no influence over the situation and he happened to die? Point is, people die. You have no control over it so I'd welcome Garrus dying a scripted death as long as it wasn't him tripping over his shoelace and hitting his head on a rock. Also I welcome it because all his fans would be pissed to no end and that would amuse me immensely.

Modifié par Computer_God91, 07 octobre 2011 - 02:18 .

[TheOptimist]

Computer_God91 wrote...
Still a stupid reason. The only acceptable ending is him running off with your shepard. What if he was in a position where your shepard had no influence over the situation and he happened to die? Point is, people die. You have no control over it so I'd welcome Garrus dying a scripted death as long as it wasn't him tripping over his shoelace and hitting his head on a rock. Also I welcome it because all his fans would be pissed to no end and that would amuse me immensely.

Man, not enough for Garrus haters that he can die in the SM, no, he has to be killed AGAIN.  Here's hoping Bioware forces you to find amusement elsewhere.

[Shinobu]

Computer_God91 wrote...

Still a stupid reason. The only acceptable ending is him running off with your shepard. What if he was in a position where your shepard had no influence over the situation and he happened to die? Point is, people die. You have no control over it so I'd welcome Garrus dying a scripted death as long as it wasn't him tripping over his shoelace and hitting his head on a rock. Also I welcome it because all his fans would be pissed to no end and that would amuse me immensely.

You are not listening. There is no single acceptable ending for me. There is one I prefer, and will replay more often, but I want to try them all. I don't want ONE ending to Garrus' story, whether tragic or superrainbowhappywithsprinkles. That is static and dull and ultimately pointless to replay. An inevitable happy ending is also not acceptable (though less likely to make me ragequit).

Yes, people die in real life. This is a game. The only reason Garrus would be in a position of inevitable death is if the Bioware developers decided to make it so. In which case, I will know that shock value is more important to them than the "choice" they advertise.

Luckily for Garrus, Bioware is more interested in money than what amuses you. So, it is unlikely that they will inevitably kill him unless they want a replay of fan reaction to DA2. Since they delayed ME3 after seeing what happened when DA2 rolled out, I believe they've gotten the message. (Yes, they got my $60 for DA2, but not the $360 of the six people I convinced not to buy it. Or the 36 people they convinced not to buy it...etc.)

[Computer_God91]

TheOptimist wrote...

Man, not enough for Garrus haters that he can die in the SM, no, he has to be killed AGAIN.  Here's hoping Bioware forces you to find amusement elsewhere.

I've already said I'm not a Garrus hater. 

Computer_God91 wrote...

Not to me. Between Garrus and Tali? Tali every time. I love them both but I have to go with Tali probably for the same weird reason I save Ashley everytime.

Technically he's not dead in my games either. So he'd just die. People can't die twice (except shepard <_<). What I hate are all these extremely obsessed fans of Garrus and Tali. They are characters in a game. Why does it ****** you off so much if I talk sh!t about them or want to see them die? They don't exist yet the vibe I get is you people act like they do and borderline worship them. So I say kill them just to watch all their fans faces melt with rage just cause a character in a game died.

Modifié par Computer_God91, 07 octobre 2011 - 02:51 .

[shep82]

Computer_God91 wrote...

TheOptimist wrote...

Man, not enough for Garrus haters that he can die in the SM, no, he has to be killed AGAIN.  Here's hoping Bioware forces you to find amusement elsewhere.

I've already said I'm not a Garrus hater. 

Computer_God91 wrote...

Not to me. Between Garrus and Tali? Tali every time. I love them both but I have to go with Tali probably for the same weird reason I save Ashley everytime.

Technically he's not dead in my games either. So he'd just die. People can't die twice (except shepard <_<). What I hate are all these extremely obsessed fans of Garrus and Tali. They are characters in a game. Why does it ****** you off so much if I talk sh!t about them or want to see them die? They don't exist yet the vibe I get is you people act like they do and borderline worship them. So I say kill them just to watch all their fans faces melt with rage just cause a character in a game died.

I have to agree. These extreme character lovers worry me.

[TheOptimist]

lightsnow13 wrote...

Why is Garrus so important to people? What is his appeal exactly? Honestly, I couldn't care if he dies or lives. I would prefer to have everyone live the SM so I don't kill anyone even if I think they're a waste of time and space (here's lookin' at you Jack).

Well, everyone's mileage is going to vary, but I like Garrus because of his sardonic sense of humor, his generally interesting storylines, his usefulness as a squadmate, and because in ME1 he figures out on his own that Saren is bad news and volunteers to help take him down, then joins without hesitation in ME2 (the only character from ME1 to do so, even Tali has other things going on at first.

But Garrus? Aren't there better characters in ME? Same goes for Tali. How did these people get such a cult following?!

Not really a way to answer this.  My answer to your question would be no, there aren't better characters in ME.  And they got large followings because a lot of people agree, I suppose.

I guess it's also because I look at these characters as...well, video game characters. I've played ME1 and 2 so many times their deaths are laughable. I know they'll be alive for my next game so I don't put much stock into anyone dying.

Not sure how being a video game character is different from any other fictional character people care about.  Why did people care whether Harry Potter lived or died in those books?  Why do people care about Luke Skywalker or Jean Luc Picard?  They're all fictional characters whose deaths effect nothing, the only question is whether you've emotionally invested in the character or not.

[Shinobu]

TheOptimist wrote...

lightsnow13 wrote...

Why is Garrus so important to people? What is his appeal exactly? Honestly, I couldn't care if he dies or lives. I would prefer to have everyone live the SM so I don't kill anyone even if I think they're a waste of time and space (here's lookin' at you Jack).

Well, everyone's mileage is going to vary, but I like Garrus because of his sardonic sense of humor, his generally interesting storylines, his usefulness as a squadmate, and because in ME1 he figures out on his own that Saren is bad news and volunteers to help take him down, then joins without hesitation in ME2 (the only character from ME1 to do so, even Tali has other things going on at first.

But Garrus? Aren't there better characters in ME? Same goes for Tali. How did these people get such a cult following?!

Not really a way to answer this.  My answer to your question would be no, there aren't better characters in ME.  And they got large followings because a lot of people agree, I suppose.

I guess it's also because I look at these characters as...well, video game characters. I've played ME1 and 2 so many times their deaths are laughable. I know they'll be alive for my next game so I don't put much stock into anyone dying.

Not sure how being a video game character is different from any other fictional character people care about.  Why did people care whether Harry Potter lived or died in those books?  Why do people care about Luke Skywalker or Jean Luc Picard?  They're all fictional characters whose deaths effect nothing, the only question is whether you've emotionally invested in the character or not.

This. Everyone has thier own favorite characters, whether in games or movies or books. Garrus happens to be one of mine. I don't hate people who don't like him, so I don't see where all this "rabid fans should die" vibe is coming from.

And hey, look! We're having a (mostly civil) discussion! Go BSN!

[TheOptimist]

Computer_God91 wrote...
I've already said I'm not a Garrus hater. 

Uh, if you say so. 

Technically he's not dead in my games either. So he'd just die. People can't die twice (except shepard <_<). What I hate are all these extremely obsessed fans of Garrus and Tali. They are characters in a game. Why does it ****** you off so much if I talk sh!t about them or want to see them die? They don't exist yet the vibe I get is you people act like they do and borderline worship them. So I say kill them just to watch all their fans faces melt with rage just cause a character in a game died.

Again, why do people care about any fictional character?  They are invested in that character and wish to see them prosper.  It also strikes me as a bit sadistic that the only reason you want a character to die is just to so other people are disappointed and angry.  It's one thing if you think a character should be force killed for story reasons, I disagree but I am aware that for some people that constitutes an enjoyable story (look how many people like Halo Reach's storyline).  But advocating death for someone just to make other people unhappy and laugh at them seems kinda mean-spirited.

[Computer_God91]

shep82 wrote...

I have to agree. These extreme character lovers worry me.

See he sees what I'm getting at without thinking I'm a big jerk.

TheOptimist wrote...

Computer_God91 wrote...
I've already said I'm not a Garrus hater. 

Uh, if you say so. 

What's hard to believe about me not hating Garrus? I've always thought he was an interesting character and a cool dude. 

Shinobu wrote...

This. Everyone has thier own favorite characters, whether in games or movies or books. Garrus happens to be one of mine. I don't hate people who don't like him, so I don't see where all this "rabid fans should die" vibe is coming from.

You want some evidence? go look back a couple pages. Some dude was essentially telling me to commit suicide cause I was a "Garrus hater" when I've stated plenty that I'm not. There are people like this all over the forums that act this way toward anyone that doesn't share their obsession with the same character.

Shinobu wrote...
And hey, look! We're having a (mostly civil) discussion! Go BSN!

No! You can't say that now everything is going to get very uncivil fast. What have you done?

Modifié par Computer_God91, 07 octobre 2011 - 03:53 .

[PrinceLionheart]

Mesina2 wrote...

Garrus CAN die, like everyone else.

It would be insanely twisted (and ballsy) on Biowares part if Garrus were to get a plotline death though.

[TheOptimist]

Computer_God91 wrote...

shep82 wrote...

I have to agree. These extreme character lovers worry me.

See he sees what I'm getting at without thinking I'm a big jerk.

I understand you find fanboys and fangirls irritating, but if you don't mind me flipping things around a little bit, why do you care so much about them?  They like the characters they like, and don't want to see them leave the story, or if the story is going to end, as in this case, they want to see that story end with their character riding off into the sunset, so to speak.  There are a few who get, shall we say, creepily obsessive, but that's going to happen with any popular character.   

TheOptimist wrote...
What's hard to believe about me not hating Garrus? I've always thought he was an interesting character and a cool dude. 

Generally I haven't seen people who like something root so hard for it to fail just to ****** off other somewhat more rabid fans of that same thing.  An analogy would be a casual NY Yankees fan who hopes they lose just to watch all the more obsessive NY Yankees fans suffer.  It could happen I suppose, but you don't see much of it.  But I suppose there's no reason to disbelieve you, it just seems odd.

[Sajuro]

Shinobu wrote...

Computer_God91 wrote...

Really? Just because one character has a scripted death there is no replay value? I'll tell you I didn't want to leave Kaiden on Virmire, I wanted to save everyone, but I couldn't. That made the game so much better to me, that I couldn't save everyone that someone was going to die. Because if I had the choice nobody would have died on Virmire. I've replayed ME1 about 15 times or more and just because someone has a scripted death didn't make me put the game down. Garrus isn't Mass Effect. He is a character in the game and has equal if not higher possiblity to die off outside of your control just like the Virmire choice. I didn't want Ducan to die at Ostigar in DA:O but he did. I didn't quit then just cause someone I liked died.

Even if Garrus died heroicly to save you or just died like a total hero, but you had no control over it, that wouldn't satisfy you? you'd toss in the towel because a great character died? Sorry but we can't always play god and have 100% control over every characters life. I know what you'll say, You can choose who to leave on Virmire but to some of us it's not a choice because even if we don't want to leave Kaiden we just can't leave Ashley, even if we don't romance her. Maybe you'll try and turn the tables and say what if Ashley had a scripted death in ME3? To that I'd say I'd love it as long as she dies in a good way and not just get sniped or something. Sometimes people die and it's outside your control. Learn to live with it.

Ok, what if Ashley dies an unavoidable,  pointless, nonheroic death in ME3. Won't you want to ragequit?

Besides the fact that Ashley's death would probably because Shepard kicked her off of the Normandy tied to a nuke back onto Virmire?
Seriously, I would like if there was at least one pointless death that wasn't in an "taking one for the team" fashion, just something that is completely out of the blue because that's how it tends to happen in real life. I must say Kat's death in Halo Reach carried a lot of impact (if only because someone wasn't dieing every chapter by that point) and it would have had a lot more if it was just a sucker punch that it probably was for people who weren't spoiled.

Imagine Shepard, Garrus, and Ashley charging in to save the day, they take up positions and begin firing but then a sniper in the rafters manages to ventilate Ashley's skull with a high powered rifle. Shepard (if she was an LI and he was faithful) screams something and
Soldier) begins shooting at sniper, getting out from behind cover to get get a shot.
Vanguard) Jumps on the chest high wall and uses charge to get to the sniper, who gives an "Oh ****!" look before Shepard destroys the Sniper's face with his heavy Melee.
Adept) Uses Pull to take Sniper out of his nest and creates a singularity inside of the sniper's body to literally tear them apart (or a rage fueled biotic storm)

[Computer_God91]

TheOptimist wrote...

Computer_God91 wrote...

shep82 wrote...

I have to agree. These extreme character lovers worry me.

See he sees what I'm getting at without thinking I'm a big jerk.

I understand you find fanboys and fangirls irritating, but if you don't mind me flipping things around a little bit, why do you care so much about them?  They like the characters they like, and don't want to see them leave the story, or if the story is going to end, as in this case, they want to see that story end with their character riding off into the sunset, so to speak.  There are a few who get, shall we say, creepily obsessive, but that's going to happen with any popular character.

I'm a fanboy myself about a few things. Like my fanboy status of ME1. However there is a differance between liking something and being obsessed to the point of complete annoyance. Why do I care about their being obsessed with a character? Cause it's just really annoying to see them whine if something bad is or can happen to them so I want that bad thing to happy just so they don't get their way from being an annoying whiner.

TheOptimist wrote...

Computer_God91 wrote...
What's hard to believe about me not hating Garrus? I've always thought he was an interesting character and a cool dude. 

Generally I haven't seen people who like something root so hard for it to fail just to ****** off other somewhat more rabid fans of that same thing.  It could happen I suppose, but you don't see much of it.  But I suppose there's no reason to disbelieve you, it just seems odd.

See above. Whiners ****** me off, my personal like for Garrus doesn't mean I wouldn't allow a plotline death for him if it was really well done. Everyone in Reach died and that to me was really cool, it didn't ****** me off at all. It had to happen of course but I never once just dropped the game cause someone I liked died. That is just pathetic to me. It's a story and if in that story something happens out of your control and you don't like it and then threaten to never play another game in the same universe because the story didn't turn out the way you'd like is just beyond pathetic. So I say if you're going to be a huge wuss about a possiblity then you deserve it to happen just cause you made such a huge deal about it. That might sound cold but to me that's what they deserve. It's a story and sometimes stories don't end like you want them to. That's why I respect any story that doesn't serve up the usual happy ending.

Modifié par Computer_God91, 07 octobre 2011 - 04:35 .

[Lotion Soronarr]

The Spamming Troll wrote...

prolly because they LOVE garrus. in the same way i LOVE biotics. i cant play the game alot becasue i cant find a challenge that fits my adepts gameplay. meaning the game collects dust on the shelf. theres alot of reasons you can find why you play the game, im sure theres alot of reason why not to play the game too. if garrus/biotics werent in ME3, then we simply wouldnt play it.

Then that is not a case of "no replay value".
That is a case of personal prefference...or sense of entiltement...whatever you call it.

If ME was about space samurai, I wouldn't play it. Because such a setting doesn't interest me. Even if it was a great game. Even if it had great replay value.
Yet I'd never go claiming it has no replay value just becausee I'm miffed at character X dying, or because I don't like X.
Taht's not how it works.

[Han Shot First]

Sweet, I hope it is true.

Except of course for getting spoiled, assumng it is true. That is the sort of thing that shouldn't be printed in any magazine prior to release.

But I do hope that this time around there won't be a sunshine and butterflies ending where everyone lives. While I wouldn't want a scripted death for Garrus, I would want to see situations where you can't avoid losing a squad mate or two. (like Virmire)

[Lotion Soronarr]

Shinobu wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...
Garrus dies = no replayability?

ERm..how exactly does that work? There's hunderds of different choices in eh game. How does one thing not being a choice destroy all of the replay value?

I should have said "for me." There are plenty of choices in the game -- most that I don't particularly care about (same with DA2). But to have THE one that really matters to me be unavailable, that turns me off. For example, not being able to side with the moderates in DA2 pretty much made me lose interest in playing again. Whether or not I let Fenris kill (REDACTED) didn't matter enough to me to warrant another playthrough.

Furthermore, a tearjerking scene is fine to see once, but to be forced to see it every time I play (especially in a franchise that touts its "choices") is a turnoff. In DA2, seeing (REDACTED)'s mother die was shocking and emotional the first time. I played that scene again to harvest video, and *YAWN* -- oh, it's 5 minutes of cutscenes that was meant to shock me. Don't really care to see it again. On the other hand, if I could have somehow saved her, even if it meant I  had to replay the entire game to make that one critical decision during the escape from Lothering, I would be willing to do it.  I'd play through at least twice -- once to save her, once to see her die a horrible death.

Scripted, 100% guaranteed death of an individual is annoying because it subverts the entire premise of the franchise: that choices matter. At a more base level, scripted death is BORING. I've played ME2 4 times now, and I'll play it several more. I lost some, I lost everyone, I lost no one. Planning who to let die was fun. Having squadmate X  die no matter what with no input of mine mattering: not fun.

Then you're putting too much weight on that one choice,. If that is enough to spoil the whole game for you...well, in my eyes you come off as a wspoil brat. My way or no way.

Plenty of characters died in games that I liked. That I didn't want to die. Big deal. Grow some balls, deal with it and move on. Like you'd do in real life.

Did I want Duncan do die? Kaidan? The reverend mother? Ser Otto?

Scripted death would OLNY subvert the premiose of the frahnchise if almost everything was scripted. There is a difference between "choices matter" and "my choices must influence everything". The very idea that Sheapprd can bend the entire universe to his will, that he can be everywhere and save everyone at once - it's beyond redicolous...and it's a utter turn-off for me.

[Lotion Soronarr]

TheOptimist wrote...

Computer_God91 wrote...
Still a stupid reason. The only acceptable ending is him running off with your shepard. What if he was in a position where your shepard had no influence over the situation and he happened to die? Point is, people die. You have no control over it so I'd welcome Garrus dying a scripted death as long as it wasn't him tripping over his shoelace and hitting his head on a rock. Also I welcome it because all his fans would be pissed to no end and that would amuse me immensely.

Man, not enough for Garrus haters that he can die in the SM, no, he has to be killed AGAIN.  Here's hoping Bioware forces you to find amusement elsewhere.

Not Garrus haters. Self-entilted fanboy haters.

And every squadmate could dine in ME2. Deos that mean not a single one should dide in ME3?
If he did die in ME", then he won't be there to die in ME3, no? So he can't be killed again.
That's some really faulty logic you got there bub.

[staindgrey]

Ravensword wrote...

W/o Garrus who would calibrate the Normandy's guns? No one can calibrate like Garrus.

Are you kidding? He's always milking the clock. I'd rather get an intern in there so he'd actually work hard.

[Han Shot First]

staindgrey wrote...

Ravensword wrote...

W/o Garrus who would calibrate the Normandy's guns? No one can calibrate like Garrus.

Are you kidding? He's always milking the clock. I'd rather get an intern in there so he'd actually work hard.

He's milking something alright.

But ultimately I blame Shepard for not keeping his Fornax secured.

[Shinobu]

Computer_God91 wrote...

Shinobu wrote...

This. Everyone has thier own favorite characters, whether in games or movies or books. Garrus happens to be one of mine. I don't hate people who don't like him, so I don't see where all this "rabid fans should die" vibe is coming from.

You want some evidence? go look back a couple pages. Some dude was essentially telling me to commit suicide cause I was a "Garrus hater" when I've stated plenty that I'm not. There are people like this all over the forums that act this way toward anyone that doesn't share their obsession with the same character.

Please look before you tar everyone with the same "rabid fanboy grow some balls spoiled brat" brush. I never attacked you, so no need to come out swinging, dude.

Computer_God91 wrote...

Shinobu wrote...
And hey, look! We're having a (mostly civil) discussion! Go BSN!

No! You can't say that now everything is going to get very uncivil fast. What have you done?

You're right! Let the flaming begin!

[Computer_God91]

Shinobu wrote...

Computer_God91 wrote...

Shinobu wrote...

This. Everyone has thier own favorite characters, whether in games or movies or books. Garrus happens to be one of mine. I don't hate people who don't like him, so I don't see where all this "rabid fans should die" vibe is coming from.

You want some evidence? go look back a couple pages. Some dude was essentially telling me to commit suicide cause I was a "Garrus hater" when I've stated plenty that I'm not. There are people like this all over the forums that act this way toward anyone that doesn't share their obsession with the same character.

Please look before you tar everyone with the same "rabid fanboy grow some balls spoiled brat" brush. I never attacked you, so no need to come out swinging, dude.

No, you're right. You haven't attacked me, but you have displayed a bit of what I was talking about. Not on the extreme level like the dude that told me to kill myself. All I did in the above post was tell you where the vibe comes from though.

[Shinobu]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Shinobu wrote...

I should have said "for me." There are plenty of choices in the game -- most that I don't particularly care about (same with DA2). But to have THE one that really matters to me be unavailable, that turns me off. For example, not being able to side with the moderates in DA2 pretty much made me lose interest in playing again. Whether or not I let Fenris kill (REDACTED) didn't matter enough to me to warrant another playthrough.

(snip)

Scripted, 100% guaranteed death of an individual is annoying because it subverts the entire premise of the franchise: that choices matter. At a more base level, scripted death is BORING. I've played ME2 4 times now, and I'll play it several more. I lost some, I lost everyone, I lost no one. Planning who to let die was fun. Having squadmate X  die no matter what with no input of mine mattering: not fun.

Then you're putting too much weight on that one choice,. If that is enough to spoil the whole game for you...well, in my eyes you come off as a wspoil brat. My way or no way.

Maybe. That choice is pretty much the only one that matters to me in the game. The rest is just window dressing. I can't see how that choice would NOT matter to anyone.

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Plenty of characters died in games that I liked. That I didn't want to die. Big deal. Grow some balls, deal with it and move on. Like you'd do in real life.

Did I want Duncan do die? Kaidan? The reverend mother? Ser Otto?

Scripted death would OLNY subvert the premiose of the frahnchise if almost everything was scripted.

Almost everything IS scripted. This is where bioware gets themselves in a bind, because they have to tell a story with a plot. And plot means that certain things have to happen. Why can't we choose not to pick up the lyrium artifact? Why can't we avoid having the Arishok run amok? Why can't we stop Anders? Why can't we avert the mage war? It's already decided. So if we can't even choose the window dressing to the grand scripted events, then what is the point? No point. That's why DA2 flopped.

Lotion Soronnar wrote...
There is a difference between "choices matter" and "my choices must influence everything". The very idea that Sheapprd can bend the entire universe to his will, that he can be everywhere and save everyone at once - it's beyond redicolous...and it's a utter turn-off for me.

"If that is enough to spoil the whole game for you...well, in my eyes you come off as a spoiled brat. My way or no way.":P

I have already said that I don't want my choices to influence everything. Bioware can give Garrus' Corpalis syndrome and I won't complain. But anything to do with the reaper war should be influenced by Shep's previous decisions and therefore not be inevitable. I am not talking about Shep being everywhere and deciding everything as in: "Tali or Garrus, I choose Tali to die". Let's say Garrus will die on Palaven defending the weapon that will blow up the Reapers (a la Virmire nuke) unless General Septimus is sober enough to rally the troops and Sidonis is alive to take Garrus' place. If those two conditions are met, depending on what Shep chose in ME1 and ME2, then Garrus gets to live and Palaven is saved. If Septimus is still moping in Chora's Den then Palaven is lost. If Sidonis is dead, Garrus dies. THAT is the kind of interaction I want between Shepard's choices and the outcome of the game, not a Virmire multiple choice "who dies?" question.

[Shinobu]

Computer_God91 wrote...

Shinobu wrote...

Computer_God91 wrote...

Shinobu wrote...

This. Everyone has thier own favorite characters, whether in games or movies or books. Garrus happens to be one of mine. I don't hate people who don't like him, so I don't see where all this "rabid fans should die" vibe is coming from.

You want some evidence? go look back a couple pages. Some dude was essentially telling me to commit suicide cause I was a "Garrus hater" when I've stated plenty that I'm not. There are people like this all over the forums that act this way toward anyone that doesn't share their obsession with the same character.

Please look before you tar everyone with the same "rabid fanboy grow some balls spoiled brat" brush. I never attacked you, so no need to come out swinging, dude.

No, you're right. You haven't attacked me, but you have displayed a bit of what I was talking about. Not on the extreme level like the dude that told me to kill myself. All I did in the above post was tell you where the vibe comes from though.

Thanks. I don't think it's ever appropriate for anyone to suggest someone else's death, so I can understand you being extremely aggravated by that. But can't we all dial it back a bit like we've been doing and leave out the "grow some balls you spoiled wuss I hope bioware disappoints you and you choke on your own tears no offense" stuff? (It's multiple posters, not just you.)  If someone is too extreme, ignore them until they calm down or go away. Probably I shouldn't have said "ragequit" in my first post or used a smiley as I was semi-joking, but you did reply: "Good. I want people like you to rage quit the francise. That just means
all of you that do don't have the stones to live with someone you adore
dying."

I can respect your opinion that you think sh*t should happen in war, including the possibility of scripted death for Garrus. I can explain why I'm against that. If we still disagree after explaining our positions, let's just shake hands and walk away. Seriously, I'm a girl, so I'm not gonna grow balls no matter how many people tell me to.

Actually, I'm enjoying this discussion -- now that it's actually a discussion.