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DA II is without a doubt better than Origins. The excellent combat, conversations, and graphics(among other things) are all top notch and far exceed what was done in Origins.

The problem with DA2, imo isn't that it's not fun to play, i'm playing it right now. The problem isn't the graphics or character design it's the fact it just isn't a deep enough D&D style RPG. And there aren't enough playable characters no world map not enough customization recycled maps no finishing moves. One of the available characters is only playable for half the game maybe. It went to far in the direction of Mass Effect to much dumbing down of the RPG elements that we all love about D&D style RPG's.

Modifié par The Executioner, 07 octobre 2011 - 06:41 .


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To be honest, i've gotten over Dragon Age, now, anyway. Bioware can keep pushing out rushed sequels every year, because I don't care anymore. At least we did get one, well executed mezmerising title. Dragon Age: Origins. I'm not glad it's over, but I am still glad it's happened.

Modifié par MorrigansLove, 07 octobre 2011 - 06:53 .


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To be honest, i've gotten over Dragon Age, now, anyway. Bioware can keep pushing out rushed sequels every year, because I don't care anymore. At least we did get one, well executed mezmerising title. Dragon Age: Origins. I'm not glad it's over, but I am still glad it's happened.


DA II > Origins.^_^

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Versago wrote...

MorrigansLove wrote...

To be honest, i've gotten over Dragon Age, now, anyway. Bioware can keep pushing out rushed sequels every year, because I don't care anymore. At least we did get one, well executed mezmerising title. Dragon Age: Origins. I'm not glad it's over, but I am still glad it's happened.


DA II > Origins.^_^


Good joke. You should be a comedian.

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MorrigansLove wrote...

Versago wrote...

MorrigansLove wrote...

To be honest, i've gotten over Dragon Age, now, anyway. Bioware can keep pushing out rushed sequels every year, because I don't care anymore. At least we did get one, well executed mezmerising title. Dragon Age: Origins. I'm not glad it's over, but I am still glad it's happened.


DA II > Origins.^_^


Good joke. You should be a comedian.


It's not a joke if it's serious or right!:P

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MorrigansLove wrote...

To be honest, i've gotten over Dragon Age, now, anyway. Bioware can keep pushing out rushed sequels every year, because I don't care anymore. At least we did get one, well executed mezmerising title. Dragon Age: Origins. I'm not glad it's over, but I am still glad it's happened.

DA3 will be great i have no doubt. Mass Effect 3 is going to be great , i' haven't given up on BioWare.

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There were a ton of things about Origins to not like. The combat was sluggish and fairly simply (even on Nightmare, I could just potion chug) the graphics at times were incredibly bland and places like the Deep Roads and The Fade just seemed to draw out forever sometimes.

But I still enjoyed it thoroughly and played through 7 different times, to complete every origins story and to acheive every possible ending. Why? On the seventh playthrough, going through the same levels, doing the same quests and fighting the same fights became a chore to some degree.

I did it because I wanted to see how my actions changed what happened in the world. Sure, it may be something as simple as which boon I could ask for from the King/Queen, and who I could talk to at the ceremony. Or it could simply be what was read on a non-voiced Epilogue slide that BW has since said doesn't count as canon.

Regardless, it kept me coming back.

DA2 had none of that same feeling. I did a second playthrough as a different class, just to see any difference. I had the same level of fatigue going through a second time in DA2 as I did in my seventh of DAO. The story was not strong. My characters seemed like totally isolated people who showed up to fight with me. I know this was to engender a feeling of my companions having their own homes and lives, but it made me feel alone with Hawke much of the time, a character who had a weak personality and attraction.

In addition, even my first time playing through, I felt like I was waiting for the story to start the entire time. Act 1 had nothing to do with Act 3, except for Meredith's McGuffin and Act 2 had almost nothing to do with either acts, despite being the strongest showing. When Act 3 started (since I had found out that there was only 3 Acts) and I realized what they were setting up the end game to be, I LITERALLY groaned. I did not care at all about the Mage/Templar dynamic and thought a lot of the quests that it involved were only side-quests, not worthy of attention.

There were just as many little things about DA2 that could turn you off as there was in DAO. No game created is perfect. The difference is that I felt no connection to the story or the people in it. My moments of highest excitement were when I got the occassional DAO cameo, which more often than not made me think "Ah, thank goodness! Have you met some of these guys around here recently? Mopey, whiny types, the lot of them... dear Lord, what happened to your face?!"


I hate to sound like a DAO fan boy, honestly. Like I said, I burnt the tread out on DAO, I know what was wrong with it. DA2 had things wrong with it too, but it didn't have the same kind of story hooks in it to make me overlook them.

That is why you are hear people harp on things like exploding bodies, or ninja combat, or waves of enemies, or recycled environments... because there wasn't enough actual story, what RPGer's care about most, to overcome the details of the medium in which the story was being told. DA2 had good writing, good voice acting, good quest design (for the most part, fetch quest nonsense aside) and good party banter... but it never felt like one story. Just like a stream of DLCs that never came together to form any real thread. Nevermind that there were things like the Band of Three messages, that hinted at some nefarious, evil purpose behind Kirkwall, or the thin veil at the top of Sundermount, that would have been GREAT vehicles for wrapping up a lot of the things going on in Kirkwall in a final showdown. Instead... it was a "collect 100 Gold", "try and stop the Qunari from fighting... wait, nevermind, fight the Qunari" and "Broken Circle, Part 2."

People aren't clammoring for DLC or an expansion to see the end of Hawke's story... people are still waiting for it to begin.

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MorrigansLove wrote...

To be honest, i've gotten over Dragon Age, now, anyway. Bioware can keep pushing out rushed sequels every year, because I don't care anymore. At least we did get one, well executed mezmerising title. Dragon Age: Origins. I'm not glad it's over, but I am still glad it's happened.

  • Don't care about Dragon Age
  • Crying in the Dragon Age II forum about it seven months after its release
Pick one.

Modifié par PresidentCowboy, 07 octobre 2011 - 02:13 .


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Versago wrote...

MorrigansLove wrote...

To be honest, i've gotten over Dragon Age, now, anyway. Bioware can keep pushing out rushed sequels every year, because I don't care anymore. At least we did get one, well executed mezmerising title. Dragon Age: Origins. I'm not glad it's over, but I am still glad it's happened.


DA II < Origins.^_^


indeed

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Fast Jimmy wrote...

There were a ton of things about Origins to not like. The combat was sluggish and fairly simply (even on Nightmare, I could just potion chug) the graphics at times were incredibly bland and places like the Deep Roads and The Fade just seemed to draw out forever sometimes.

But I still enjoyed it thoroughly and played through 7 different times, to complete every origins story and to acheive every possible ending. Why? On the seventh playthrough, going through the same levels, doing the same quests and fighting the same fights became a chore to some degree.

I did it because I wanted to see how my actions changed what happened in the world. Sure, it may be something as simple as which boon I could ask for from the King/Queen, and who I could talk to at the ceremony. Or it could simply be what was read on a non-voiced Epilogue slide that BW has since said doesn't count as canon.

Regardless, it kept me coming back.

DA2 had none of that same feeling. I did a second playthrough as a different class, just to see any difference. I had the same level of fatigue going through a second time in DA2 as I did in my seventh of DAO. The story was not strong. My characters seemed like totally isolated people who showed up to fight with me. I know this was to engender a feeling of my companions having their own homes and lives, but it made me feel alone with Hawke much of the time, a character who had a weak personality and attraction.

In addition, even my first time playing through, I felt like I was waiting for the story to start the entire time. Act 1 had nothing to do with Act 3, except for Meredith's McGuffin and Act 2 had almost nothing to do with either acts, despite being the strongest showing. When Act 3 started (since I had found out that there was only 3 Acts) and I realized what they were setting up the end game to be, I LITERALLY groaned. I did not care at all about the Mage/Templar dynamic and thought a lot of the quests that it involved were only side-quests, not worthy of attention.

There were just as many little things about DA2 that could turn you off as there was in DAO. No game created is perfect. The difference is that I felt no connection to the story or the people in it. My moments of highest excitement were when I got the occassional DAO cameo, which more often than not made me think "Ah, thank goodness! Have you met some of these guys around here recently? Mopey, whiny types, the lot of them... dear Lord, what happened to your face?!"


I hate to sound like a DAO fan boy, honestly. Like I said, I burnt the tread out on DAO, I know what was wrong with it. DA2 had things wrong with it too, but it didn't have the same kind of story hooks in it to make me overlook them.

That is why you are hear people harp on things like exploding bodies, or ninja combat, or waves of enemies, or recycled environments... because there wasn't enough actual story, what RPGer's care about most, to overcome the details of the medium in which the story was being told. DA2 had good writing, good voice acting, good quest design (for the most part, fetch quest nonsense aside) and good party banter... but it never felt like one story. Just like a stream of DLCs that never came together to form any real thread. Nevermind that there were things like the Band of Three messages, that hinted at some nefarious, evil purpose behind Kirkwall, or the thin veil at the top of Sundermount, that would have been GREAT vehicles for wrapping up a lot of the things going on in Kirkwall in a final showdown. Instead... it was a "collect 100 Gold", "try and stop the Qunari from fighting... wait, nevermind, fight the Qunari" and "Broken Circle, Part 2."

People aren't clammoring for DLC or an expansion to see the end of Hawke's story... people are still waiting for it to begin.


Ima just gonna quote your entire post Fast Jimmy as you put it so wonderfully, I thought.  And you bring up a very interesting point; that people (including myself) will pick on all these shortcomings because of the lack of or a weak and non-immersive story - without that player engagement, the game's shortcomings are much more difficult to ignore/forgive, as they stand out like a sore thumb.

Well done Sir! Now, let's to go the tavern and enjoy an ale.

Oh wait, before we do, I'd just like to highlight a point which resonnates with truth with me:

People aren't clammoring for DLC or an expansion to see the end of Hawke's story... people are still waiting for it to begin.



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Versago wrote...

MorrigansLove wrote...

Versago wrote...


DA II > Origins.^_^


Good joke. You should be a comedian.


It's not a joke if it's serious or right!:P

It's neither.

And you suck at math.

Modifié par Yrkoon, 07 octobre 2011 - 06:57 .


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Yrkoon wrote...

Versago wrote...

MorrigansLove wrote...

Versago wrote...


DA II > Origins.^_^


Good joke. You should be a comedian.


It's not a joke if it's serious or right!:P

It's neither.

And you suck at math.


It CAN be either, depending on who you ask.

See, some people think pink is prettier than green. Neither is "right" because....right, it's subjective. To me DA II > Origins all the way, as I am tired of saving worlds from dragons and romancing men who give me roses. :lol:

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PresidentCowboy wrote...

MorrigansLove wrote...

To be honest, i've gotten over Dragon Age, now, anyway. Bioware can keep pushing out rushed sequels every year, because I don't care anymore. At least we did get one, well executed mezmerising title. Dragon Age: Origins. I'm not glad it's over, but I am still glad it's happened.

  • Don't care about Dragon Age
  • Crying in the Dragon Age II forum about it seven months after its release
Pick one.


Secret option Nr. 3: Morriganslove bashed DAII even before it came out. Like many others did as well. Yet also got Legacy. Go figure that one out.

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The Executioner wrote...

Versago wrote...

DA II is without a doubt better than Origins. The excellent combat, conversations, and graphics(among other things) are all top notch and far exceed what was done in Origins.

The problem with DA2, imo isn't that it's not fun to play, i'm playing it right now. The problem isn't the graphics or character design it's the fact it just isn't a deep enough D&D style RPG. And there aren't enough playable characters no world map not enough customization recycled maps no finishing moves. One of the available characters is only playable for half the game maybe. It went to far in the direction of Mass Effect to much dumbing down of the RPG elements that we all love about D&D style RPG's.


But DAII was never meant to be a D&D style RPG. Otherwise we'd be arguing over BGIV, not DAII.

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Persephone wrote...

The Executioner wrote...

Versago wrote...

DA II is without a doubt better than Origins. The excellent combat, conversations, and graphics(among other things) are all top notch and far exceed what was done in Origins.

The problem with DA2, imo isn't that it's not fun to play, i'm playing it right now. The problem isn't the graphics or character design it's the fact it just isn't a deep enough D&D style RPG. And there aren't enough playable characters no world map not enough customization recycled maps no finishing moves. One of the available characters is only playable for half the game maybe. It went to far in the direction of Mass Effect to much dumbing down of the RPG elements that we all love about D&D style RPG's.


But DAII was never meant to be a D&D style RPG. Otherwise we'd be arguing over BGIV, not DAII.

Just to pile on... DA:O wasn't a D&D style RPG either. BW marketing claims don't count.

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Snip the quote pyramids, please, folks. Some ridiculous bickering removed.

Modifié par Stanley Woo, 07 octobre 2011 - 08:02 .


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I agree with Versago. Origins is a better game. :)

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After looking upthread, I would like to say that quoting a poster and then altering that quote, to agree with a particular statement or point of view, is frowned upon

Modifié par casamar, 07 octobre 2011 - 08:52 .


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To be honest i enjoyed dragon age 2 far more then DAO. The combat in DA2 was actually good and balanced. No useless spells you will never use. better scaling and defined roles for rogues and warriors. Wave combat however could use some work but this problem also occurred often in DAO.

'The story you must like. Its not safe the world story 5412. But rather of a guy that has varied adventures. The problem of DA2 however is that the story is to damn short. I would rate DA2 much higher if they added another chapter and expanded chapter 3.

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The Executioner wrote...

MorrigansLove wrote...

To be honest, i've gotten over Dragon Age, now, anyway. Bioware can keep pushing out rushed sequels every year, because I don't care anymore. At least we did get one, well executed mezmerising title. Dragon Age: Origins. I'm not glad it's over, but I am still glad it's happened.

DA3 will be great i have no doubt. Mass Effect 3 is going to be great , i' haven't given up on BioWare.


I will buy ME3 to see the end of the storyline. But after that I wont be buying anymore BioWare games if they are going to be like DA2.
As said by the devs we will not see the return of the format of DA:O and it will be more like DA:2. I hated DA:2 and felt cheated because the game was just dull.

As for DA:3 I wont bother because nothing can better DA:O.

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Because ME2 is a space shooter with choices and consequences. It always has been, and always will be. Dragon Age started off as an actual RPG, and then tried to aim for a more "Mass Effect" style.

Still an rpg though, and if that were true why not assess DA2 on that basis, individually without looking back at DAO. It implies you're assessing DA2 purely on the basis of DAO rather than DA2 itself on its own merits.

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And, honestly, the characters in ME2 FAR exceed any DA2 characters, save for the Arishok.

Far exceed? maybe Mordin but thats it. I like Thane and Legion and others but in terms of characterisation they are not more interesting than the DA2 characters. 

Modifié par Morroian, 07 octobre 2011 - 10:52 .


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Gibb_Shepard wrote...
And, honestly, the characters in ME2 FAR exceed any DA2 characters, save for the Arishok.


Would be interesting to hear why you think so.

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Maconbar wrote...

Persephone wrote...

The Executioner wrote...

Versago wrote...

DA II is without a doubt better than Origins. The excellent combat, conversations, and graphics(among other things) are all top notch and far exceed what was done in Origins.

The problem with DA2, imo isn't that it's not fun to play, i'm playing it right now. The problem isn't the graphics or character design it's the fact it just isn't a deep enough D&D style RPG. And there aren't enough playable characters no world map not enough customization recycled maps no finishing moves. One of the available characters is only playable for half the game maybe. It went to far in the direction of Mass Effect to much dumbing down of the RPG elements that we all love about D&D style RPG's.


But DAII was never meant to be a D&D style RPG. Otherwise we'd be arguing over BGIV, not DAII.

Just to pile on... DA:O wasn't a D&D style RPG either. BW marketing claims don't count.

Let me be more specific then a game more like Origins then Mass Effect . More similar not identical to a D&D style RPG.

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The Executioner wrote...

Maconbar wrote...

Persephone wrote...

The Executioner wrote...

Versago wrote...

DA II is without a doubt better than Origins. The excellent combat, conversations, and graphics(among other things) are all top notch and far exceed what was done in Origins.

The problem with DA2, imo isn't that it's not fun to play, i'm playing it right now. The problem isn't the graphics or character design it's the fact it just isn't a deep enough D&D style RPG. And there aren't enough playable characters no world map not enough customization recycled maps no finishing moves. One of the available characters is only playable for half the game maybe. It went to far in the direction of Mass Effect to much dumbing down of the RPG elements that we all love about D&D style RPG's.


But DAII was never meant to be a D&D style RPG. Otherwise we'd be arguing over BGIV, not DAII.

Just to pile on... DA:O wasn't a D&D style RPG either. BW marketing claims don't count.

Let me be more specific then a game more like Origins then Mass Effect . More similar not identical to a D&D style RPG.

DA:2 is still closer to DA:O than it is to ME.

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Yes because it's not a shooter but the in terms of RPG depth no it's closer to Mass Effect then Origins.