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[Someone With Mass]

I don't know why someone would not want to recruit Wrex, but whatever.

[Aeowyn]

Someone With Mass wrote...

I don't know why someone would not want to recruit Wrex, but whatever.

It's called roleplaying. Or they just don't like Wrex. 

[Dave of Canada]

If you don't recruit Wrex, Wreav holds the throne and Wrex disappeared from existence because nobody mentions him. My Paragon Shepard who doesn't trust mercs didn't recruit him.

Modifié par Dave of Canada, 05 octobre 2011 - 07:49 .

[Landline]

What do you expect, it's a modern game. They have to railroad it to some degree or run out of budget halfway through and then release a half baked game.

[Fiery Phoenix]

Aeowyn wrote...

Afaik, Garrus has the "just like old times dialogue" even if you didn't recruit him in ME1, which just makes it strange. As a comparison, DAO had different dialogues depending on your approval rate with these characters. Additionally, if your character and Wynne hated each other in DAO, she will treat you accordingly in Awakening.

Dragon Age is remarkably more consistent than Mass Effect when it comes to little thingies like these. That much I know for certain.

[Someone With Mass]

Dragon Age was also the only game in the series at the time.

With new people coming into the Mass Effect trilogy at ME2 without playing ME1, it wouldn't be that nice if every single character hates you.

[AlexXIV]

I like it the way Bioware did it. Sorry for the others, but some things in any RPG are always canon. And always people complain. So this is nothing special.

[Sasie]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Dragon Age was also the only game in the series at the time.

With new people coming into the Mass Effect trilogy at ME2 without playing ME1, it wouldn't be that nice if every single character hates you.

You do realise it would depend on imports? I would assume the standard one would be the one where everyone liked Shepard. Almost every RPG that allow choices make them affect how characters threat the player. It's sort of the standard for how it works. In ME2 though they sort of killed that by making sure characters react the same pretty uch no matter what you do. I wonder if Tali will like me in ME3 when I refused to give her the intel in ME1 and sold her father out in ME2. If they do another reset I'm personally going to count the ME games as a failure in their attempt to deliver a trillogy.

Modifié par Sasie, 05 octobre 2011 - 08:57 .

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Sasie wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

Dragon Age was also the only game in the series at the time.

With new people coming into the Mass Effect trilogy at ME2 without playing ME1, it wouldn't be that nice if every single character hates you.

You do realise it would depend on imports? I would assume the standard one would be the one where everyone liked Shepard. Almost every RPG that allow choices make them affect how characters threat the player. It's sort of the standard for how it works. In ME2 though they sort of killed that by making sure characters react the same pretty uch no matter what you do. I wonder if Tali will like me in ME3 when I refused to give her the intel in ME1 and sold her father out in ME2. If they do another reset I'm personally going to count the ME games as a failure in their attempt to deliver a trillogy.

You know you can be an ass to Tali if you just go all Renegade in ME2 right? Plus the hugs for Tali were basically Paragon interrupts and you can make Tali utterly hate you to the point where she won't speak to you.

I don't get where this forced friendship with Tali is coming from. I could see Tali liking Shepard but one of my Shepards were basically an ass towards her. Even with Liara there was only like one hug to be honest and that was really the only real rail roaded hug in the entire game. The rest were paragon interrupts and she basically tries to distance herself away from you.

[Aeowyn]

1136342t54 wrote...

Sasie wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

Dragon Age was also the only game in the series at the time.

With new people coming into the Mass Effect trilogy at ME2 without playing ME1, it wouldn't be that nice if every single character hates you.

You do realise it would depend on imports? I would assume the standard one would be the one where everyone liked Shepard. Almost every RPG that allow choices make them affect how characters threat the player. It's sort of the standard for how it works. In ME2 though they sort of killed that by making sure characters react the same pretty uch no matter what you do. I wonder if Tali will like me in ME3 when I refused to give her the intel in ME1 and sold her father out in ME2. If they do another reset I'm personally going to count the ME games as a failure in their attempt to deliver a trillogy.

You know you can be an ass to Tali if you just go all Renegade in ME2 right? Plus the hugs for Tali were basically Paragon interrupts and you can make Tali utterly hate you to the point where she won't speak to you.

I don't get where this forced friendship with Tali is coming from. I could see Tali liking Shepard but one of my Shepards were basically an ass towards her. Even with Liara there was only like one hug to be honest and that was really the only real rail roaded hug in the entire game. The rest were paragon interrupts and she basically tries to distance herself away from you.

Well there's that, but then there's also the fact that Tali canonically always has a crush on MaleShep that stemmed from ME1 apparently. Granted, this is only something you find out if you pursue her romance, but if MaleShep was an ass towards her in ME1 and she still has a crush on him, well, damn girl. 

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Aeowyn wrote...

Well there's that, but then there's also the fact that Tali canonically always has a crush on MaleShep that stemmed from ME1 apparently. Granted, this is only something you find out if you pursue her romance, but if MaleShep was an ass towards her in ME1 and she still has a crush on him, well, damn girl. 

Its not that hard to guess that Tali still idolizes shepard which isn't that hard to believe you know. Plus it is possible her daddy issues come into question. It also doesn't mean that Shepard actually likes her. 

[BatmanPWNS]

1136342t54 wrote...

Aeowyn wrote...

Well there's that, but then there's also the fact that Tali canonically always has a crush on MaleShep that stemmed from ME1 apparently. Granted, this is only something you find out if you pursue her romance, but if MaleShep was an ass towards her in ME1 and she still has a crush on him, well, damn girl. 

Its not that hard to guess that Tali still idolizes shepard which isn't that hard to believe you know. Plus it is possible her daddy issues come into question. It also doesn't mean that Shepard actually likes her. 

Regen Shep + Tali= Abused woman who keeps coming back to the man.

[1136342t54_]

BatmanPWNS wrote...

1136342t54 wrote...

Aeowyn wrote...

Well there's that, but then there's also the fact that Tali canonically always has a crush on MaleShep that stemmed from ME1 apparently. Granted, this is only something you find out if you pursue her romance, but if MaleShep was an ass towards her in ME1 and she still has a crush on him, well, damn girl. 

Its not that hard to guess that Tali still idolizes shepard which isn't that hard to believe you know. Plus it is possible her daddy issues come into question. It also doesn't mean that Shepard actually likes her. 

Regen Shep + Tali= Abused woman who keeps coming back to the man.

Not really. Shep basically did something that was quite logical in his position. Technically in ME1 by giving the Alliance the Geth data he wasn't necessarily wrong the Alliance actually would need that data. Tali probably got over that. Now in ME2 she outright hates all renegade shep.

[Zakatak757]

They can't make 2 entire dialogue trees for each character depending on how you meet them, since about 1/3rd of the dialogue in ME (an extra 10,000 lines?).

This is a roleplaying game. You play as if you are Shepard her/himself. If you do not like Tali, well, don't do her loyalty mission. If you don't like Garrus, don't talk to him. A Commander wouldn't tell his crew what his problems were with them during an important mission, it would just complicate things. If I was Shepard and didn't like one of my crew, I wouldn't go out of my way to help them.

"But then I can't have all my people survive at the end!"

Again, you are Shepard, and you don't know that squad loyalty will affect who dies and when. Besides "just like old times, Shepard" and some Liara hugging, BW did a fine job.

[Asari_Party]

Xilizhra wrote...

I would say that forced friendships are better than forced nonfriendships. Neither is ideal, but there's only so much disk space.

I agree. Some haters might complain, but I think it is no coincidence that Liara and Garrus are two of the most popular characters in Mass Effect series.

[sevach]

leonia42 wrote...
Granted, you can royally ****** her off by
turning over the evidence during the trial which is actually the best
thing you can do if you support peace between the quarians and geth,
given the admirals reactions afterwards.

 Yes, you can kill the friendship at the LM or later with Legion.
But
the point still remains, given that she clearly loves you from the
beggining (as Kelly says), and how much she worships Shepard on
Haestrom.

Even after Shepard was an absolute jerk and blackballed her (again...) on Freedom's progress.

Hah Yes Reapers wrote...

Women love jerks and often times even love getting treated like crap, no matter how much they deny it.


Shepard is a man of great strength, of course Tali developed a crush on him.

Only possible explanation.

[Ryzaki]

I just want it to go back to ME1 style.

Where I can be all "BFFS!" or "Go kick rocks I have a galaxy to save."

And yeah Tali whole "I was crushing on you so hard..." was just bleh. Yes yes Tali keep crushing on my renedouche. Maybe he'll be the Ike to your Tina.  

Modifié par Ryzaki, 05 octobre 2011 - 09:44 .

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Dr. TSoni wrote...

Aeowyn wrote...

Well there's that, but then there's also the fact that Tali canonically always has a crush on MaleShep that stemmed from ME1 apparently.

Not only male-shepard, she offers to link or share her environmental suit with fem-shepard, which is a intimate act between lovers.

And very close Friends. You missed that part.

[Bugsie]

I think the friendship paths needed some work especially in ME2. I hope Bioware moves towards this route and we can be friends with those we chose not to romance or who are unavailable to romance.

However, if people here start asking for a 'friendship toggle', I'm going to go nuts.

[jeweledleah]

if DA2 could do it, as rushed as that game was? so can Mass Effect 3. bioware DID promise that relationships will unfolded depending on initial dialogue choices. so if that in fact will work as intended and will allow for relationships to develop based on Shepards actions and dialogue choices without any of that "canon friend" crap? I would personally be ecstatic. I like all the characters in ME, but not all my Shepards do. and it would be nice if they had acknowledged that my Shepards are not necessarily liking them or treating them with respect.

[Kaiser Shepard]

iOnlySignIn wrote...

IsaacShep wrote...

Why is my Shep hugging Liara and not Ash & Kaidan?

Because Liara is cuddly and cute, whereas Ash and Kaidan are not.

Even so, from a non-romanced perspective hugging Ashley and especially Kaidan would make more sense because of the longer time you've served with them.

Then again, the situation in which you meet them and Liara differs somewhat, given that Kaishley didn't know for sure that Shepard lived. Still, that doesn't justify the forced hug with Liara.

Fiery Phoenix wrote...

Aeowyn wrote...

Afaik, Garrus has the "just like old times dialogue" even if you didn't recruit him in ME1, which just makes it strange. As a comparison, DAO had different dialogues depending on your approval rate with these characters. Additionally, if your character and Wynne hated each other in DAO, she will treat you accordingly in Awakening.

Dragon Age is remarkably more consistent than Mass Effect when it comes to little thingies like these. That much I know for certain.

DAII had a rather out of place way of retconning a player having done away with Leliana, whereas the upcoming novel outright ignores the possibility of that having happened to two other companions, comparable to what was done with the Warden him/herself in Awakening.

Modifié par Kaiser Shepard, 05 octobre 2011 - 10:00 .

[jeweledleah]

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

DAII had a rather out of place way of retconning a player having done away with Leliana, whereas the upcoming novel outright ignores the possibility of that having happened to two other companions, comparable to what was done with the Warden him/herself in Awakening.

I beleive they mean within a singular game.  if Hawke wasn't nice to his or her companions, they actualy remembered it.

[Chewin]

Kaiser Shepard wrote...
DAII had a rather out of place way of retconning a player having done away with Leliana, whereas the upcoming novel outright ignores the possibility of that having happened to two other companions, comparable to what was done with the Warden him/herself in Awakening.

David Gaider says hi.