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Loetek

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I noticed that bows have a strength modifier on them like other weapons. I tried to make a archer build and was terribly dissappointed. But I only focused on dex and picked up all the archery talents. I also made this archer as a rogue... thinking if i shot the enemy from behind that it would be a auto crit/backstab. That is not the case however :(.

So has anyone tried a build where they pumped strength? Exactly how much damage they can pull off? And also if playing a warrior what warrior talents (not archery) will work with a bow? I want to try this but i dont want to gimp myself to bad by not putting enough into dex. Can someone help me out on point distribution? like 2 str 1 dex per level? 

And i also noticed something else while playing my Dagger Dagger Dex rogue. Absolutly zero archery talents yet he was dropping guys b4 they could make it to him... wtf is with that? I figured aim or rapid fire (even though i know they have draw backs) would kick up the dps a bit.

Im not expecting archery to be some elite dps at all... because if that were the case this game would be near unplayable because of all the archers you have to fight.

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archery is pretty crap by default. get the dex fix firstly.



also try the archery buff mod: http://social.bioware.com/project/852/




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i made an archer with 20 str max and dex is now 53, hitting 45s- 50s with tier 7 longbow, cant remeber the name, with rapid aim, bear in mind u can use the cunning modifier in place of strength with one of the talents or skills

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P.S. Mods kill the game......


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Loetek

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hmmm... how do i know if i got the dex fix?

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buff bow's plix. I mainly use one ranged char, but usually end up getting out two swords, perhaps I specced my ranged wrong, just seems to produce low DPS compared to duel melee.

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and also... as far as attack and damage goes for a bow how does it all work?



Strength modifiers on bows: 1.0 ... what does that mean? For every one point of strength you get 1 extra damage? or is it 1 extra attack? Or am i just missing something all together?



And are bows like daggers as far as damage and attack is concerned? Pretty sure daggers get .5 attack per 1 dex... not sure if they get .5 or 1 damage pre dex... if anything at all.



Also anyone know the difference in attack speeds between longbows and short bows?

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Strength modifiers on bows: 1.0 ... what does that mean? For every one point of strength you get 1 extra damage? or is it 1 extra attack? Or am i just missing something all together?

And are bows like daggers as far as damage and attack is concerned? Pretty sure daggers get .5 attack per 1 dex... not sure if they get .5 or 1 damage pre dex... if anything at all.


All correct, but the dex bonus is broken, so you are not getting anything. There is a hotfix, but it also applies to the enemy which makes some battles extremely hard since enemy archers will shoot the crap out of your party.

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How do i know if i got this hotfix?!?!

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If you have installed it properly, all bows with have an additional attribute "Attack:5' listed within the description

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so where do i get the hotfix? i would figure it would be a DLC type deal? guessing not.

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woggy123 wrote...

P.S. Mods kill the game......


If you're talking about the dex hotfix... even the devs have admitted that it's a bug.  They just haven't patched it yet. But wtg!

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So the hotfix isnt available? how are people getting it then?

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found it on the web... thanks.

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archery is still pretty weak with the hotfix compared to melee. it doesnt receive runes or dmg buff bonuses so you lose out a lot of dps in the long run.

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Check it out here Dexterity Fix

Modifié par exorzist, 22 novembre 2009 - 12:32 .


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When it comes to archer, GET ROGUE <---, only Dex gives Att rating for archery, making it the primary stats.



Reason u shouldnt use warrior is as follows:

#1 Str does nothing for att rating, hence high str is useless, the only benefit for having high str is to use high lvl armor. how ever massive armor has a sick reduction on attack speed and u should not consider using it.

#2 the ONLY specialization warrior has that benefit archer is champion spec's Rally. and since u are often on the far back its radius doesnt help any of ur other melee's, making it a poor spec to have. while compare to rogues u have access to Dueling from the duelist spec, if specced deeper it is very similar to the benefit of champion's rally. and u have access to Bard, Song of courage significantly increase archery dmg and crit for the whole party, very beneficial. Ranger spec is also a good choice, the summon is quite strong and does reasonable amount of dmg. the combined dmg is very promising.

#3, As warrior u cant use red Jenny's striker, a glove with 15% crit dmg/back stab dmg glove, there is no gloves which warrior has access to that increase ur dmg like that one. the most powerful archer boots cadash stomper is also a leather boot, making it less attractive for warrior.

#4, As archer your best DPS skill is Arrow of Slaying + Scatter shot, scattershot has sick threat value, making u the target for every one in the room. best countered by "stealth". as warrior u have to tank it, disengage's range is sad.



Things to know as archer:

#1, you need loads of att rating to be effective, 130-140 around lvl 20 is what u need to aim for with buffs. (champion's Rally with motivate from your Melee warrior helps)

#2, scattershot has crazy aoe dmg, use often.

#3, This is the most important of them all, NOTHING STACKS WITH RAPID AIM <--, this means if u have a bow or item with rapid aim, u dont need to activate ur rapid aim ability, because it doesnt stack. and this automaticly make items with rapid aim very useful to have, because it allows u to fire the same rate as with rapid aim(talent) enabled. but with Crits <--. and ofcourse stuff like haste is not useful at all for archer.



Best Items for Archer:



#1 Best Longbow in game is called Far song, can only be obtained if u have killed owen during the redcliff quest, Use this + The Long Sight (5% ranged crit helmet)



#2 Best Shortbow in game is called The Dark Moon, obtained in Dalish elf shop. if u use this u have to combine it with Armsman's Tensioner (same shop after gathering all the allies).



#3 Best Crossbow is the Antivan Warden crossbow in the warden keep DLC.



#4 eventhough the only armor that gives Crit dmg % is the warden commanders plate, it is alot better to just use felon's coat, due to the att speed penalty from massive armors.

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Sharog wrote...
#3, This is the most important of them all, NOTHING STACKS WITH RAPID
AIM <--, this means if u have a bow or item with rapid aim, u dont
need to activate ur rapid aim ability, because it doesnt stack. and
this automaticly make items with rapid aim very useful to have, because
it allows u to fire the same rate as with rapid aim(talent) enabled.
but with Crits <--. and ofcourse stuff like haste is not useful at
all for archer.


That is something i was just about to make a post about as i didnt notice any difference when having a rapid aim bow, rapid shot talent and master archer on. So i agree with Sharogs post.

Modifié par Siven80, 22 novembre 2009 - 02:47 .


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After getting the Dexterity hotfix it's like a whole new game, I'm serious night and day. I actually include a Ranged DPS character in my party now

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Thank you Sharog, your post is very helpful to me as I just started a rogue archer.

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Sharog wrote...

#1 Str does nothing for att rating, hence high str is useless


Wrong.

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_Loc_N_lol_ wrote...

Sharog wrote...

#1 Str does nothing for att rating, hence high str is useless


Wrong.


Str only affects melee attack rating.

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I don't think this is really true. I am yet to see someone explaining archery well enough, but my current warrior who has high str hits with the bow a lot better than Leliana who is high dex and he does only a little less damage than her. He hits almost every shot and she only get about 1 out of 5, which is pretty useless.



I think a good archer build needs both STR and DEX or DEX and CUN with Lethality.

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Str only affects melee attack rating.


Wrong, STR makes up for the majority of dmg with a bow, dex adds 0,5 points of dmg with each dex point. The cunning modifier skill called lethality (DW skill) swaps out the Str modifier for Cun points. Though you need to buy 3 skills in a field you will not use if solely being an archer.

Modifié par Shappy1010, 23 novembre 2009 - 10:47 .


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Shappy1010 wrote...


Str only affects melee attack rating.


Wrong, STR makes up for the majority of dmg with a bow, dex adds 0,5 points of dmg with each dex point. The cunning modifier skill called lethality (DW skill) swaps out the Str modifier for Cun points. Though you need to buy 3 skills in a field you will not use if solely being an archer.



Did u came out of an egg shell? both str(or cunning in some case) and dex have the exact same Dmg value for bow attacks, and for both shortbow and xbow str does NOTHING <---. since str adds nothing to att rating for ranged, it is nothing but stupid to take str instead of just pumping dex. Cunning is something u take if u plan to be more "group friendly". it is gimping one's own dmg while doing so.