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[Jiggasaurus]

Elementialomnicron wrote...

Im mostly saddened by most games out there now, because back then i remember thrilling games like Zelda 2, or Dragon Warrior, or Double Dragon, or Contra.

that age...is forever lost, i believe.

Zelda 2 is amazing, love it when people say "i've played Zelda 2" many have, but few can actually say they have completed it & defeated shadow Link, utterly brutal

Modifié par Jiggasaurus, 06 octobre 2011 - 08:45 .

[bussinrounds]

Il Divo wrote...

Wasn't the appeal in Neverwinter Nights the multiplayer content anyway? After the disappointment that was the OC, that was the only reason I could think why anyone would bother with it.

   Definatly.  Those games are all about the MP aspect, imo.  Although in NWN 2 you do have full party control, so i can see single player being more viable in that game.    Screw the oc's for either game though.  It's all about MOTB and the modules/PW's at the vault.

[Cyberarmy]

diamondedge wrote...

I can complete Morrowind in 5 minutes too. I can complete Deus ex in 1 hour and a half too.

Proof: You are clueless.

So how are they time consuming?? Enlighten a "traditional" gmaer please.


@Xkg; Yes mate that is the worst way to play a game, i have never played a game like that and i wont do that never ever. And i wont ever understand why someone plays like that.
I was just being smart@ss and you ruined it. Thanks for nothing:(

[naughty99]

diamondedge wrote...

A person with reasonable amount of spare time and healthy interests nowadays simply cannot afford to play games like this any more, as brilliant as they stand in their genre. The concept of classic RPG IS outdated in modern gaming who focuses on casual player (not bad player, but player with limited time to play) simply becasue the process is very time consuming and often unrewarding. Bioware understand this, hence why we have games like Mass Effect and DA2.
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What does limited spare time have to do in the slightest with the overal playing time of a game.

Whether you complete a short game in one night or play Oblivion for years and never complete it, it is all about choices you make based on what you find enjoyable.

Everyone has a limited amount of time to spend playing games. If you derive a great deal more value from an epic $60 RPG that provides hundreds of hours of enjoyable entertainment compared with a game like Portal 2 that you only play for 5-10 hours, whether you finish the game immediately after you sit down to play it, or keep playing it off and on for years, makes no difference to someone who has limited free time to play each week.

It's more about what kind of gaming experience you enjoy and let's face it, action games with minor RPG elements are much more popular than pure RPGs. There are simply more people who like action/fps/sports/farmville games than people who like RPGs. This has nothing to do with the length of playing time.

Modifié par naughty99, 07 octobre 2011 - 01:01 .

[Bryy_Miller]

bussinrounds wrote...
And give us interactive movies/dating sims with cute characters to romance:wub:, instead of rpgs ?

You know.

I've never seen why this picture proves anything.

1) It's glitched.
2) It showcases the dialogue system.

Are you saying the game is bad because you managed to catch a screenshot of a bug and are waiving it around like it's proof that the entire game is screwed up? Or are you saying the game is bad because instead of seven flavor options leading to three results, it has three flavor options leading to three results?

Modifié par Bryy_Miller, 08 octobre 2011 - 01:23 .

[Maria Caliban]

ErichHartmann wrote...

The original Neverwinter Nights was an MMO through AOL from 1991 to 1997. I don't see how the new version is the death of anything.

That's exactly what I was going to say.

[Jonp382]

Bryy_Miller wrote...

You know.

I've never seen why this picture proves anything.

1) It's glitched.
2) It showcases the dialogue system.

Are you saying the game is bad because you managed to catch a screenshot of a bug and are waiving it around like it's proof that the entire game is screwed up? Or are you saying the game is bad because instead of seven flavor options leading to three results, it has three flavor options leading to three results?

I don't think anyone posts that picture with the assumption that it means that Dragon Age 2 is buggy to other people(although it was when I played it at release). They post it because the 'derpy' eyes in addition to the paraphrase look as retarded as they perceive the rest of the game to be. I find it quite fitting, personally.

[naughty99]

Bryy_Miller wrote...

bussinrounds wrote...
And give us interactive movies/dating sims with cute characters to romance:wub:, instead of rpgs ?

http://img594.images.../18f8gjpng2.png

You know.

I've never seen why this picture proves anything.

1) It's glitched.
2) It showcases the dialogue system.

Are you saying the game is bad because you managed to catch a screenshot of a bug and are waiving it around like it's proof that the entire game is screwed up? Or are you saying the game is bad because instead of seven flavor options leading to three results, it has three flavor options leading to three results?

I thought that pic was just photoshopped for the lulz

[Romantiq]

Bryy_Miller wrote...

bussinrounds wrote...
And give us interactive movies/dating sims with cute characters to romance:wub:, instead of rpgs ?

You know.

I've never seen why this picture proves anything.

1) It's glitched.
2) It showcases the dialogue system.

Are you saying the game is bad because you managed to catch a screenshot of a bug and are waiving it around like it's proof that the entire game is screwed up? Or are you saying the game is bad because instead of seven flavor options leading to three results, it has three flavor options leading to three results?

It's three flavor options lead to same result. You kill Orsino and you kill Meredith. That's only one reason of MANY of why the game is bad.
Also, like a poster above me said - the picture  represents HERP DERP and its quite fitting for Dragon Age II just like these statues that do /facepalm at the beginning of the game

Modifié par Romantiq, 08 octobre 2011 - 02:23 .

[Bryy_Miller]

Romantiq wrote...

It's three flavor options lead to same result. You kill Orsino and you kill Meredith.

If you want to go that far, then every option in any game ever leads to the same result: the end of the game.

Which was the point of my post.

That's only one reason of MANY of why the game is bad.

But I'm not addressing those. I'm addressing this picture and what it's supposed to say about the game.

I can find glitches in The Witcher 2 or KOTOR, or even Baldur's Gate, and screencap those, if you like.

Also, like a poster above me said - the picture is represents DERP and its quite fitting for Dragon Age II.

But like I pointed out, it's an out-of-context picture that only those that already dislike DA2 "get".

Do I think it's funny? Yes.
Would I think it's funny if I had never played DA2? Yes.
Do I think it represents the entire game if I've never played DA2? Most likely not.

Your reasoning for this picture being an accurate description of DA2 is a Catch-22.

[Elementialomnicron]

Filament wrote...

We only found out Neverwinter was going to be an MMO of some sort about a million years ago.

And a sad day tis indeed, that we then witnessed the fall of the Neverwinter.

[Elementialomnicron]

yeah, i tried WoW and got quickly bored of it, thats why there are few and far intebetween MMO's that work for me.

[Jestina]

RPG's have been dead for awhile pretty much...with a few exceptions. Bethesda stays true but if you look at the list of current "RPG's" it's pretty much filled with just action games, not RPG's.

[wizardryforever]

I'm curious as to the continuity that this MMO will use.  Wasn't Neverwinter destroyed by the Spellplague (a.k.a. the butt-raping of the Forgotten Realms)?  If it was, what exactly is the point to calling it Neverwinter other than hype?  Is it going to involve exploring Neverwinter's ruins or something?

I don't plan on ever playing it, I'm just curious.

[bussinrounds]

Jestina wrote...

RPG's have been dead for awhile pretty much...with a few exceptions. Bethesda stays true but if you look at the list of current "RPG's" it's pretty much filled with just action games, not RPG's.

Huh ??  Beths games have action gameplay.

[bussinrounds]

Was never looking forward to the new Neverwinter anyway.  It was based on the garb 4th edition first of all, and it was gonna be an action game anyway.  D&D games combat gotta be based on dice rolls, stats and tactics, not twitch gameplay and the players reflexes. 

Modifié par bussinrounds, 08 octobre 2011 - 06:20 .

[Monica83]

The market tend to dumb down nice production..

Seen what happened with D&D with the 4th ediction became a sort of D&Warcraft..
But we also had people that also care of quality like the Pathfinder creators and this is good...

Bioware after dragon age 2 lost all credibility in my eyes but im sure someone will bring back the quality RPG on the market...

And about RPG elitism.. Is not elitism but only the desire to see RPG and not dumbed down products called rpg but addressed to the casual crowd..

If you don't like rpg well don't play it... Make rpg for people that dislikes rpg have no sense.. In fact DA2 was a fail..

Let's face it

[RamirezWolfen]

jreezy wrote...

More RPG elitist talk…*Sigh*

This forum is coming off as more and more of a RPG Codex twin....

[A Crusty Knight Of Colour]

bussinrounds wrote...

Jestina wrote...

RPG's have been dead for awhile pretty much...with a few exceptions. Bethesda stays true but if you look at the list of current "RPG's" it's pretty much filled with just action games, not RPG's.

Huh ??  Beths games have action gameplay.

How many mainstream games can honestly promise varied statistics based character building with significant impact on how you play (for a while at least), character customisation with actual consequences on gameplay and an overarching character system/ruleset based on stats that all humanoid actors whether PC or NPCs, adhere to?

If nothing else, Bethesda games (whether Elder Scrolls or Fallout) can claim that they have that.

Kinda sad when you think about it.

Actually, now that I think about it, I did make the claim (which I still hold) that Sports games are merely Sports-themed Action RPGs in their career modes. There are areas where Sports games have more "traditional" RPG mechanics than many of the new stuff.

So I guess if you're tired of Action games with RPG elements and want a game with tactical team based play, heavy statistical character building & progression, an overarching ruleset and character system that controls/defines all characters, where the game's "story" has setpiece narrative events but in general is driven by both randomised elements and player driven interaction and success on the "battlefield" is a mixture of randomisation, statistical superiority and execution of superior tactics over AI, then forget Age of Decadence, you can always play NBA 2K12.



I've heard though that it's actually a lot of fun, lots of good reviews for it.

Modifié par mrcrusty, 08 octobre 2011 - 10:50 .

[Get Magna Carter]

Quote of topic "Another death blow to the traditional RPG genre"
Do you realise that one "death blow" means whatever taken it is dead and so cannot normally take another "death blow"
by definition
...I guess that is what resurrection spells are for

[bussinrounds]

Get Magna Carter wrote...

Quote of topic "Another death blow to the traditional RPG genre"
Do you realise that one "death blow" means whatever taken it is dead and so cannot normally take another "death blow"
by definition
...I guess that is what resurrection spells are for

  The more appropriate title would be "The RPG corpse has been dug up and raped once again"