I've only killed him in my Pro-Templar file, but in my main one I let him stay.
And I don't see why we can't kill Sebastian after he threatens Anders. :/
So, who else told Anders to GTFO?
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Posté 08 octobre 2011 - 08:04
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Damn. I feel like I'm one of the few who told him to leave. I don't care about Sebastian leaving. I had Rivalry with him and was hoping that after DA2 he'll become an Anti-Mage tyrannical prince.
Leaving Anders out in the cold is actually worse cause then he'll have to deal with the fury of Sebastian's righteous vengeance on his ass every breathing moment.
Leaving Anders out in the cold is actually worse cause then he'll have to deal with the fury of Sebastian's righteous vengeance on his ass every breathing moment.
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Posté 08 octobre 2011 - 08:06
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I did it the one time he didn't end up dead.
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Posté 08 octobre 2011 - 08:37
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Telling him to leave! hell no killing him is as satisfying as watching the virmire explosion knowing Kaidan just went up in smoke.
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Posté 08 octobre 2011 - 10:50
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If that was ever going to happen, Sebastian's righteous vengeance would have been on Anders' ass right then. It seems less than likely.Leaving Anders out in the cold is actually worse cause then he'll have to deal with the fury of Sebastian's righteous vengeance on his ass every breathing moment.
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Posté 09 octobre 2011 - 11:56
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Quething wrote...
... the only thing you can do if you still want to exile Anders is be like "DON'T YOU DARE INTERFERE" all protective and invested - it's clearly an answer written and voiced for a Hawke who still likes and forgives Anders and wants him around.
Interesting, I'll have to try that.
In a couple of playthroughs I let him live. The first one he was my LI so uh... yeah. In the subsequent ones I either wanted the heals, or had the same mindset as Merrill: to let him live with the consequences. I did tell him to leave once though. When he turned up later I 1-shot him... was pretty hilarious... rofl squishy mages >
. I usually kill him though. As the times went on, I've found myself more and more annoyed with Anders; I don't really want to have him live anymore. By the time the scene gets around and the Chantry explodes, I'm just so pissed off with his shortsightedness and that he lied to me and took advantage of our friendship to help his cause that I gladly kill him. Since I have enabled the Sebastian DLC (who I like and also consider a friend), that adds a component to killing him, but I most often would anyway, even without Sebastian's influence.
My Hawke will suffer many things for her friends, but being lied to I cannot STAND. Even Isabella redeems herself in that regard when she returns with the Tome of Koslun.
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At least in the epilogue it is Hawke's
name that is remembered, not Anders, so I suppose that is some
consolation for not being able to lock him up and throw away the key.
Now that would be poetic justice.
Hehe... I love this. The first time I killed him and heard him say that he will become a martyr, I was so happy when Varric says that "the Champion's name became a rallying cry." Not Anders's name, Hawke. Take that and mount it, Anders! HA!
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#32
Posté 10 octobre 2011 - 02:38
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I usually just let him stay in my party.
Not that I forgive him...but I just think its better I make use of him and let him atone a little bit for his crime by helping me.
To be honest I hope they give us a choice in a later DLC or expansion based after DA 2 to force Anders to rejoin the Grey Wardens.
And if he refuses to do that or he escapes then Hawke will hunt him down and kill him.
To be honest I was a little annoyed that he left the Grey Wardens, being a Grey Warden should be for life, like The Night's Watch in A Song of Ice and Fire.
In fact I think it is...but people like Alistair (if you allowed Loghain to be a Grey Warden) and Anders think its okay to just leave the Grey Wardens. <_<
Not that I forgive him...but I just think its better I make use of him and let him atone a little bit for his crime by helping me.
To be honest I hope they give us a choice in a later DLC or expansion based after DA 2 to force Anders to rejoin the Grey Wardens.
And if he refuses to do that or he escapes then Hawke will hunt him down and kill him.
To be honest I was a little annoyed that he left the Grey Wardens, being a Grey Warden should be for life, like The Night's Watch in A Song of Ice and Fire.
In fact I think it is...but people like Alistair (if you allowed Loghain to be a Grey Warden) and Anders think its okay to just leave the Grey Wardens. <_<
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Posté 10 octobre 2011 - 07:16
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What I consider my cannon play is my pro-mage Rogue who romanced him friendly, he saved Bethany in the Deep Roads, but she still killed him at the end with a huge stone in her heart. Although after wards I was thinking, does killing Anders kill Justice/Vengance? Or is Vengance now free to reanimate Anders' corpse or find another host????
My rogue who was pro-mage totally anti-chantry, Bethany dead, romanced Anders friendly, sided with the mages and told him to live and help put this to right, and then decided to stay/help him. And we ran off into the sunset to do a Thelma and Louise style going out in a blaze of glory thing.
My warrior who romanced him told him to get the F out, sided with the mages, and refused his help when he showed back up. Bethany was in the Circle.
My mage who rival-manced Anders, and sided with the mages, told him that he was going to live to help protect the innocents, and then dumped him.
My now-playthrough rogue is rivalmancing Anders, Bethany is dead, and I blamed mages for Mom's death, and will try to get him to side with her and the Templars. If he doesn't she's going to kill him......she's pissy enough right now finding out he was lying to her about the potion thing, and blackmailing her into helping him get into the Chantry. That and the whole, "There's no one I wouldn't kill to see mages free" line....I so wanted my character to be able to respond "What? Even me?"
And these are just my Anders Romanced characters.......
My rogue who was pro-mage totally anti-chantry, Bethany dead, romanced Anders friendly, sided with the mages and told him to live and help put this to right, and then decided to stay/help him. And we ran off into the sunset to do a Thelma and Louise style going out in a blaze of glory thing.
My warrior who romanced him told him to get the F out, sided with the mages, and refused his help when he showed back up. Bethany was in the Circle.
My mage who rival-manced Anders, and sided with the mages, told him that he was going to live to help protect the innocents, and then dumped him.
My now-playthrough rogue is rivalmancing Anders, Bethany is dead, and I blamed mages for Mom's death, and will try to get him to side with her and the Templars. If he doesn't she's going to kill him......she's pissy enough right now finding out he was lying to her about the potion thing, and blackmailing her into helping him get into the Chantry. That and the whole, "There's no one I wouldn't kill to see mages free" line....I so wanted my character to be able to respond "What? Even me?"
And these are just my Anders Romanced characters.......
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Posté 10 octobre 2011 - 07:49
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Jaulen wrote...
What I consider my cannon play is my pro-mage Rogue who romanced him friendly, he saved Bethany in the Deep Roads, but she still killed him at the end with a huge stone in her heart. Although after wards I was thinking, does killing Anders kill Justice/Vengance? Or is Vengance now free to reanimate Anders' corpse or find another host????
I was wondering that too. It's never really made clear just how combined Anders and J/V are. I know he wouldn't be able to return to the Fade. I get the impression that he might be able to exist regardless of Anders' death, because (although it's a different situation), if Justice 'dies' in Awakening, it seems like he just leaves Kristoff's body and goes on his way, haunting Blackmarsh. It's really creepy to consider J/V leaving Anders body and floating off to find a new host in the chaos. He still seems to regard himself as something other than a demon, but I doubt he'd turn down the opportunity if he saw an opportunity to possess another.
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Posté 10 octobre 2011 - 07:56
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SkittlesKat96 wrote...
I usually just let him stay in my party.
Not that I forgive him...but I just think its better I make use of him and let him atone a little bit for his crime by helping me.
To be honest I hope they give us a choice in a later DLC or expansion based after DA 2 to force Anders to rejoin the Grey Wardens.
And if he refuses to do that or he escapes then Hawke will hunt him down and kill him.
To be honest I was a little annoyed that he left the Grey Wardens, being a Grey Warden should be for life, like The Night's Watch in A Song of Ice and Fire.
In fact I think it is...but people like Alistair (if you allowed Loghain to be a Grey Warden) and Anders think its okay to just leave the Grey Wardens. <_<
You can sign my warden up for that 'crime' as well. After awakening she pretty much thought that she had had enough of darkspawn (espically the talking ones) and left for Antiva.
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Posté 10 octobre 2011 - 11:46
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@ SkittlesKat96. What makes you think that the Wardens would take him back? If Hawke is on top of "Thedas' Most Wanted" list Anders would be number 2. Giving Anders "amnesty" is too much of a liability for the Wardens and their political neutrality. They'd probably shut the door on him for abandoning the order in the first place.
It's more likely that Sebastian after taking over Starkhaven would comb the Free Marches looking for him. In the end he'd probably get killed or captured never to be heard from again. So much for being a martyr.
Pfft.... Wannabe Che Guevara <_<
It's more likely that Sebastian after taking over Starkhaven would comb the Free Marches looking for him. In the end he'd probably get killed or captured never to be heard from again. So much for being a martyr.
Pfft.... Wannabe Che Guevara <_<
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Posté 10 octobre 2011 - 11:53
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On my current play , I plan to let him go. Although I sadly cannot convince him to side with me against the mages, I do not wish to put an end to his holy work. The Maker often works through abominations such as Anders, you see. Through Anders, the Maker blew up his Chantry in Kirkwall and all the sniveling mage apologists inside to show his Chantry that they had done an inadequate job in forcing the mages into the servitude of man.
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Posté 11 octobre 2011 - 12:01
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I actually took him back..not because I approve of his crazy pyro ways but rather because he was my only mage with healz, and I didn't feel like spamming the heck out of potions, or spending money on them. if my merril or hawke had been a healer I would have killed him with the fury of 1000 tranquil...yeah try and figure that last bit out
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Posté 11 octobre 2011 - 12:24
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I just can't bring myself to let him live, no matter what side I come down on. Not after basically going 9/11 on a church. Considering that there's almost nothing likable about him by this point in the game and I long ago got sick and tired of hearing his paranoid, self-important one-note tune, it's really an easy decision for me.
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Posté 12 octobre 2011 - 06:36
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(If I were my Hawke, I'd say something like this)
Anders? I fought alongside him. He helped me bring Merril down alive from Sundermount after... after. He helped me save Isabela, when the Arishok wanted her dead. He helped me kill the blood mage bastard that killed my mother. He wasn't a good friend... but I trusted him. He asked me to help separate him from Justice, and I helped. Even when he wouldn't tell me what he needed to get into the Chantry for, I helped him, because I trusted him. I trusted him when he told me that it was part of freeing him from Justice.
(A brief pause)
Eighty-one. Even with matters coming to a head in the city, even though everyone was staying home, afraid a war was going to break out all around them, there were still twenty-seven people working in the Chantry. We pulled fifty-four bodies of those there to pray out of the rubble... after. And he killled them all. Because he was angry, because he had lost all hope that the conflict could be resolved. Because of that, he, and he alone, killed eighty-one innocent people. He did all that for the very purpose of starting the war that's spreading through the world around us now. Why? Because he was angry. He almost got you killed, sister, because he was angry.
(Another pause)
Why did I kill him? He would have been a figurehead, a martyr for the cause or a name to curse as you fight. Now no one knows his name, besides us. Certainly not in the context of what he did. He didn't deserve the praise, or the battles fought over him. But that's not why I killed him. Why did I really kill him? I trusted him, and he betrayed me... and I got angry.
Anders? I fought alongside him. He helped me bring Merril down alive from Sundermount after... after. He helped me save Isabela, when the Arishok wanted her dead. He helped me kill the blood mage bastard that killed my mother. He wasn't a good friend... but I trusted him. He asked me to help separate him from Justice, and I helped. Even when he wouldn't tell me what he needed to get into the Chantry for, I helped him, because I trusted him. I trusted him when he told me that it was part of freeing him from Justice.
(A brief pause)
Eighty-one. Even with matters coming to a head in the city, even though everyone was staying home, afraid a war was going to break out all around them, there were still twenty-seven people working in the Chantry. We pulled fifty-four bodies of those there to pray out of the rubble... after. And he killled them all. Because he was angry, because he had lost all hope that the conflict could be resolved. Because of that, he, and he alone, killed eighty-one innocent people. He did all that for the very purpose of starting the war that's spreading through the world around us now. Why? Because he was angry. He almost got you killed, sister, because he was angry.
(Another pause)
Why did I kill him? He would have been a figurehead, a martyr for the cause or a name to curse as you fight. Now no one knows his name, besides us. Certainly not in the context of what he did. He didn't deserve the praise, or the battles fought over him. But that's not why I killed him. Why did I really kill him? I trusted him, and he betrayed me... and I got angry.
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Posté 12 octobre 2011 - 07:07
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I usually kill him. In varying stages of friend/rival etc. Usually i side with the mages, not because I'm all "Viva la revolution!" but mostly because Meredith is a fruit basket.
On my first playthrough I was a mage, healer type, so I didn't need him, friendmanced Sebastian and killed Anders when the option came up.
On another play I told him GTFO and sided with the templars so I could 1) see Sebastian's hissy fit and 2) confront him in the gallows to see how that went. I think I remember slamming into him with my warrior and he went down like a chump.
On another playthrough I told him GTFO in Act 2 after he nearly kills that kid in the tunnels. Thought that may change act 3 but nope, just meant he didn't come to Hawke to help him assemble and plant his bomb. Bomb still went off and he still got the murder knife.
My most favorite playthrough though was on my last completed game, William Hawke, M!Mage aggressive type. He fully rivaled Anders, did the whole complete quest line and then got a completely DIFFERENT dialogue with Anders at the end. It actually ALMOST made me want to let him live. But there was the option to 'forgive him' before you kill him. Filled in a lot of the blanks for me with the character and resolved things much better than any of my previous playthroughs.
So, yea, I have told him GTFO but it was only to do things differently. My current run I may rival him, tell him to go and see what happens when he comes to the gallows (Templar run). I hear it's been fixed and it will be worth it to see what he has to say then.
On my first playthrough I was a mage, healer type, so I didn't need him, friendmanced Sebastian and killed Anders when the option came up.
On another play I told him GTFO and sided with the templars so I could 1) see Sebastian's hissy fit and 2) confront him in the gallows to see how that went. I think I remember slamming into him with my warrior and he went down like a chump.
On another playthrough I told him GTFO in Act 2 after he nearly kills that kid in the tunnels. Thought that may change act 3 but nope, just meant he didn't come to Hawke to help him assemble and plant his bomb. Bomb still went off and he still got the murder knife.
My most favorite playthrough though was on my last completed game, William Hawke, M!Mage aggressive type. He fully rivaled Anders, did the whole complete quest line and then got a completely DIFFERENT dialogue with Anders at the end. It actually ALMOST made me want to let him live. But there was the option to 'forgive him' before you kill him. Filled in a lot of the blanks for me with the character and resolved things much better than any of my previous playthroughs.
So, yea, I have told him GTFO but it was only to do things differently. My current run I may rival him, tell him to go and see what happens when he comes to the gallows (Templar run). I hear it's been fixed and it will be worth it to see what he has to say then.
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Posté 13 octobre 2011 - 11:02
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He stays if my character is a bit crazy and romancing him. No other way.
He dies when I'm playing jerks (HE DID SOMETHING I DON'T LIKE DIEEE), or when I'm playing idealists (Hey, Seb's right, maybe if he dies Orsino and Meredith will calm down... right? Really? C'mon, guys ;_;... pout).
Most of my characters would prefer to just tell him to GTFO. The problem comes with Seb forcing the issue, and honestly, at that point it comes down to, "Okay, Seb can be wishy-washy, tightly wound, and occasionally annoying, but he considers Hawke a dear friend even when rival-pathed and he just lost all the people he's been living with for what, ten years (he was sent to the chantry at 13ish?), and he has never killed someone I would have rathered alive, turned on me, spread bad rumors about me, or even went in to huge lectures (he just does "I know you don't agree, but")- plus, he supports me for viscount!" against "Anders is... um, he has a better sense of humor and he was pretty cool two acts okay. Yeah."
So, if Seb's going to storm out on me because of Anders, I'll off Anders for him. Seb's not my favorite character, but at his worst he's still never as bad to my PC then... well, actually every other character but Bethany and Aveline, actually. A rivaled Seb is still a pretty friendly guy.
(Having said that, I wish it was more like in Origins, where you could turn over the kill to Alistair- in many cases, my Warden was not all that invested about if Loghain lived or died, but if it went that much to Ali, then sure, he could kill Loghain. That's how I often felt about Anders- my character didn't give a damn, but if Seb doesn't have a knife, my character would hand over the murder knife so he could get his revenge and we could get back to acting sane.)
He dies when I'm playing jerks (HE DID SOMETHING I DON'T LIKE DIEEE), or when I'm playing idealists (Hey, Seb's right, maybe if he dies Orsino and Meredith will calm down... right? Really? C'mon, guys ;_;... pout).
Most of my characters would prefer to just tell him to GTFO. The problem comes with Seb forcing the issue, and honestly, at that point it comes down to, "Okay, Seb can be wishy-washy, tightly wound, and occasionally annoying, but he considers Hawke a dear friend even when rival-pathed and he just lost all the people he's been living with for what, ten years (he was sent to the chantry at 13ish?), and he has never killed someone I would have rathered alive, turned on me, spread bad rumors about me, or even went in to huge lectures (he just does "I know you don't agree, but")- plus, he supports me for viscount!" against "Anders is... um, he has a better sense of humor and he was pretty cool two acts okay. Yeah."
So, if Seb's going to storm out on me because of Anders, I'll off Anders for him. Seb's not my favorite character, but at his worst he's still never as bad to my PC then... well, actually every other character but Bethany and Aveline, actually. A rivaled Seb is still a pretty friendly guy.
(Having said that, I wish it was more like in Origins, where you could turn over the kill to Alistair- in many cases, my Warden was not all that invested about if Loghain lived or died, but if it went that much to Ali, then sure, he could kill Loghain. That's how I often felt about Anders- my character didn't give a damn, but if Seb doesn't have a knife, my character would hand over the murder knife so he could get his revenge and we could get back to acting sane.)
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Posté 13 octobre 2011 - 11:13
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The only thing that's ever happened to Anders in my games is an unhealthy amount of stabbing.
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Posté 14 octobre 2011 - 07:45
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I've played through several times, because I like to see all of the possible ways things can play out. Most of my Hawkes tell him to beat it, with only one who killed him, but my main/favorite Hawke let's him live... It's pretty pathetic actually. XD
For background, she's a pro-mage Warrior!Lady!Hawke. She's diplomatic/helpful, with a side of dorky/sarcastic and she's only agressive in dire situations (ex. Bethany being taken to the Circle and All That Remains). She's a huge goody-two-shoes and a softie at heart. She friendmanced Anders.
My main Hawke was furious with him for betraying her and killing innocents, but she didn't have the heart to kill him. It's probably a mistake and she knows this, but she was also still in love with him, despite what he'd done. In my mind, right after that moment where he's all happy that she didn't kill him and that she's joinging his cause, Hawke grabs him by the collar and says in a low and dangerous voice, "You WILL fix this." She does NOT condone what he did. She was seriously tempted to run him off, but she didn't want to take the chance that he'd do something worse if she turned him loose. She's essentially appointed herself his personal templar; protecting him from the world and the world from him. Also, it's a vain hope, but she still wants to look into a way to separate Justice and Anders. If that can't be done, she might put the option of killing him back on the table. The relationship is definitely scarred, maybe even broken, but my Hawke has a hero complex and she wants to save everyone.
Plus, she's a warrior and she needs his healing skillz. *sigh*
"DAMMIT, ANDERS! THIS IS WHY WE CAN'T HAVE NICE THINGS!"
For background, she's a pro-mage Warrior!Lady!Hawke. She's diplomatic/helpful, with a side of dorky/sarcastic and she's only agressive in dire situations (ex. Bethany being taken to the Circle and All That Remains). She's a huge goody-two-shoes and a softie at heart. She friendmanced Anders.
My main Hawke was furious with him for betraying her and killing innocents, but she didn't have the heart to kill him. It's probably a mistake and she knows this, but she was also still in love with him, despite what he'd done. In my mind, right after that moment where he's all happy that she didn't kill him and that she's joinging his cause, Hawke grabs him by the collar and says in a low and dangerous voice, "You WILL fix this." She does NOT condone what he did. She was seriously tempted to run him off, but she didn't want to take the chance that he'd do something worse if she turned him loose. She's essentially appointed herself his personal templar; protecting him from the world and the world from him. Also, it's a vain hope, but she still wants to look into a way to separate Justice and Anders. If that can't be done, she might put the option of killing him back on the table. The relationship is definitely scarred, maybe even broken, but my Hawke has a hero complex and she wants to save everyone.
Plus, she's a warrior and she needs his healing skillz. *sigh*
"DAMMIT, ANDERS! THIS IS WHY WE CAN'T HAVE NICE THINGS!"
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Posté 14 octobre 2011 - 07:57
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Mikka-chan wrote...
He stays if my character is a bit crazy and romancing him. No other way.
He dies when I'm playing jerks (HE DID SOMETHING I DON'T LIKE DIEEE), or when I'm playing idealists (Hey, Seb's right, maybe if he dies Orsino and Meredith will calm down... right? Really? C'mon, guys ;_;... pout).
Most of my characters would prefer to just tell him to GTFO. The problem comes with Seb forcing the issue, and honestly, at that point it comes down to, "Okay, Seb can be wishy-washy, tightly wound, and occasionally annoying, but he considers Hawke a dear friend even when rival-pathed and he just lost all the people he's been living with for what, ten years (he was sent to the chantry at 13ish?), and he has never killed someone I would have rathered alive, turned on me, spread bad rumors about me, or even went in to huge lectures (he just does "I know you don't agree, but")- plus, he supports me for viscount!" against "Anders is... um, he has a better sense of humor and he was pretty cool two acts okay. Yeah."
So, if Seb's going to storm out on me because of Anders, I'll off Anders for him. Seb's not my favorite character, but at his worst he's still never as bad to my PC then... well, actually every other character but Bethany and Aveline, actually. A rivaled Seb is still a pretty friendly guy.
(Having said that, I wish it was more like in Origins, where you could turn over the kill to Alistair- in many cases, my Warden was not all that invested about if Loghain lived or died, but if it went that much to Ali, then sure, he could kill Loghain. That's how I often felt about Anders- my character didn't give a damn, but if Seb doesn't have a knife, my character would hand over the murder knife so he could get his revenge and we could get back to acting sane.)
I do wish you could let Seb kill Anders. That would be a good scene.
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Posté 14 octobre 2011 - 08:00
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As much as I like Anders, I would have loved to have this option for a couple of my Hawkes.Ryzaki wrote...
I do wish you could let Seb kill Anders. That would be a good scene.
*sigh* I miss Awakening!Anders... and Ser Pounce-a-lot.
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Posté 15 octobre 2011 - 10:29
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i only let him live if i romance him lol
every other time i kill him
every other time i kill him
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Posté 03 novembre 2011 - 08:23
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Avilia wrote...
Question - seems a good thread to ask this in. If you send Anders away what does Varric say about him in epilogue? Or is it treated the same as if he died?
To keep things on topic - I've only let him live once and that was a 'pro mage wonder if anyone even notices if you don't kill him' run.
I believe it becomes part of the "we all left eventually except for ___".
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Posté 03 novembre 2011 - 01:56
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I killed him as it was my responsability as group leader for having helped him in an act of terrorism, and presumaby having helped him in building the bomb.
He forces stuff to happen he had to pay for it.
He forces stuff to happen he had to pay for it.
