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[LobselVith8]

naledgeborn wrote...

Just wondering. People usually kill him or give him another chance. Who else takes the middle option? And if you side with the mages do you tell him to GTFO again at the Gallows? 

I do. I side with the mages. I don't kill him because of Hawke's sibling (Grey Warden). And I think it's worse for him to live with the consequences. Imagine not being able to take part in everything you supposedly stood for. He essentially gets sidelined from his own "revolution". That must suck. A lot more than dying anyway.

Thoughts?

I didn't kill Anders. Maybe if I thought Sebastian might side with the mages, it would be something I might consider, but it's unlikely that the new Prince of Starkhaven will side with the mages over the Chantry of Andraste, regardless of him having his personality hardened by Rivalry or not.

That said, I sided with the mages over the despot Meredith. My apostate Hawke wasn't going to help murder an entire population of people simply for the actions of one, single man, much less someone who was never a denizen of the Gallows nor a member of the Circle of Kirkwall. As for the "revolution," he kept telling my apostate Hawke that he should be the leader of the mages. Anders even says that Hawke is the leader who the mages deserve if he's spared (when Hawke speaks to him at the Gallows). I don't imagine Anders would become a leader to the mages if he's encouraging a pro-mage, apostate Hawke to assume that role in the narrative.

[Gervaise]

Well when I killed Anders but sided with the mages, although Sebastian was obviously finding the whole experience difficult, he agreed with my mage Hawke that Andraste would not want her Chantry used as a "prison and torture chamber" and with my rogue Hawke that "she always supported the oppressed". Sebastian is a lot more open minded than people give him credit for. However, he doesn't approve of mages who use bombs, mages who use blood magic and mages who allow themselves to become abominations. Since my mage Hawke did none of these things, he entered into a spiritual marriage with her, so I hold out high hopes of being able to convince him to help "innocent" mages in the future. By contrast I despaired of ever getting Anders back on an even keel so he wouldn't be a liability to the mages cause, did my best to help him save himself but he threw it back in my face, whether as a friend or a rival, so once I had adopted Sebastian as a companion it helped make the choice very easy - Anders dies.

[Xilizhra]

Sebastian, to me, seems much too ideologically unreliable. I quite frankly don't trust him to stay on my side if it becomes politically inconvenient or if we have to do too much damage to the Chantry, or if peace could come but in an unfavorable position to us.

[Jaulen]

My last playthrough....rivalmanced Anders, sided with Templars, he sided with her against the mages....and then it's implied after it's all over he commits suicide.

Wow.

[Bayz]

That's pretty metal

[JJDrakken]

I heard you could have Anders help you with the Templars(as in side with them), if he's a romance option, seeing how I've never done this, I was curious.


JJ

[LobselVith8]

JJDrakken wrote...

I heard you could have Anders help you with the Templars(as in side with them), if he's a romance option, seeing how I've never done this, I was curious.


JJ

Anders can ally with a pro-templar Hawke (although it wasn't possible previously because of a bug with Dragon Age 2, which has since been patched), but it's implied he commits suicide after aiding Hawke and the templars in annuling the Circle of Kirkwall.

[Plaintiff]

I always keep Anders. I fully support the destruction of the Chantry and Sebastian can eat a dick.

How he blindly continues to support Elthina and the Chantry I will never understand. He claims that the Chantry helps people, but a brisk walk through Lowtown or Darktown at any time of day will show you that that simply isn't true. Anders is a lone refugee working singlehandedly to heal the sick and wounded while Elthina and her priestesses stand around spouting hypocritical dogma in front of a fifty-foot golden statue. They don't shelter widows or orphans. They don't ****ing do anything.

I wish there was an option to stab Sebastian in his stupid face.

[MICHELLE7]

Jaulen wrote...

My last playthrough....rivalmanced Anders, sided with Templars, he sided with her against the mages....and then it's implied after it's all over he commits suicide.

Wow.

Did this on my next to last playthrough...for me the kissing scene isn't worth it...I'd rather have him alive with Hawke in the epilogue.

Did notice that if you rivalmance him and convine him to agree with you in the questioning beliefs dialogues as if you were going to side with the templars and then actually side with the mages that his conversation at the end when he talks about your children is a lot calmer than when you don't convince him that he made a mistake in merging with Justice. Preferred that...the other way it's sounds more like Justice is talking than Anders...a little creepy in my opinion...but then again Justice was envious of Aura and Kristoff.

Anyway...I've never told him to leave except once and then I let him fight when he showed back up...I'm pro-mage anyway...only played pro-templar once where I killed him...romanced Sebastian that time...thought it might make me like him more...I was wrong...Wish I had the option to kill him.

[LukaCrosszeria]

Quething wrote...

I don't really any more, and it's entirely Sebastian's fault. If I tell Anders to GTFO, it's usually because Hawke cannot deal with him. Is furious, pissed off, wants him out of the picture. And then Sebastian is like, "no I'ma kill him rar!" and the only thing you can do if you still want to exile Anders is be like "DON'T YOU DARE INTERFERE" all protective and invested - it's clearly an answer written and voiced for a Hawke who still likes and forgives Anders and wants him around. So it's completely jarring and distracting on a Hawke who doesn't, and punts me right out of the story, and I tend to kill him now when I would otherwise have run him off just to avoid that.

Might be interesting to look at what Hawke says in a different way. I don't see it as protective and invested. Hawke is drawing the line because he's made his call + Sebastian's lost it. Anders is impossible to deal with at times though (wish Ser Gaider had kept writing him).

[Fast Jimmy]

Jaulen wrote...

My last playthrough....rivalmanced Anders, sided with Templars, he sided with her against the mages....and then it's implied after it's all over he commits suicide.

Wow.

D@mn. That's freaking hardcore.

[br003]

Killed him the first time then realized your forced to save him. I still think Finn from Witch Hunt should have been added. I've grown to hate Anders.

[Thiefy]

naledgeborn wrote...

Just wondering. People usually kill him or give him another chance. Who else takes the middle option? And if you side with the mages do you tell him to GTFO again at the Gallows? 

I do. I side with the mages. I don't kill him because of Hawke's sibling (Grey Warden). And I think it's worse for him to live with the consequences. Imagine not being able to take part in everything you supposedly stood for. He essentially gets sidelined from his own "revolution". That must suck. A lot more than dying anyway.

Thoughts?

i did this first play through, but only because i couldn't kill him myself and i also felt he needed to be punished some way, some how.

good thing i had bethany, and some way some how, she had badass stats o_o

[raziel1980]

Thief-of-Hearts wrote...

naledgeborn wrote...

Just wondering. People usually kill him or give him another chance. Who else takes the middle option? And if you side with the mages do you tell him to GTFO again at the Gallows? 

I do. I side with the mages. I don't kill him because of Hawke's sibling (Grey Warden). And I think it's worse for him to live with the consequences. Imagine not being able to take part in everything you supposedly stood for. He essentially gets sidelined from his own "revolution". That must suck. A lot more than dying anyway.

Thoughts?

i did this first play through, but only because i couldn't kill him myself and i also felt he needed to be punished some way, some how.

good thing i had bethany, and some way some how, she had badass stats o_o

And this is why I have no problems knifing his kidneys every single time( also the fact that I'm majorly pro-templar and only my mage has( or in the pc version's case will side with the mages) at the end of the game. Though I will say telling him to leave only to watch Seb have a cow about it is almost as hilarious as the break-up romance scene you get with Anders( whom I have and will NEVER romance- only watched it on youtube).

[sylvanaerie]

I always kill him, but each Hawke has a different reason.

William (Aggressive mage) really took the whole "Champion" thing to heart and felt he was the protecter of the city, his family, his friends. Needless to say, considering all that goes on, he was rather frustrated. He killed (Rivaled) Anders out of pity because he felt Anders was out of control and losing himself to Vengeance. And ultimately blamed himself, not Anders, for letting it get that far. I even chose the "I forgive you line" that time.

That was about as compassionate as I get in regards to the character. Most range from doing it to save him from being overtaken (cause he IS out of control), to being pissed at being "played", to downright furious at being drawn into the whole mage/templar/chantry conflict, or just angry that so many innocents will lose their lives (across Thedas) because of what he's done.

I am not sure what i will do on my current playthrough.  (Snarky, self-centered rogue)  She wanted to "run to the hills" when the Qunari went on the rampage--yes you get that line!--but she's very protective of her baby sis, that's all the family she has left now that Mama Hawke is gone.  She's up to now been very supportive of apostates/mages but will probably kill Anders "For endangering her sister and countless other innnocents" like he does.

Modifié par sylvanaerie, 27 décembre 2011 - 01:27 .

[SkittlesKat96]

I allowed him to live in my main playthrough.

That said if we were given or ever get a choice of what to do with Anders AFTER the battle with Meredith is over I would probably punish Anders then.

And from a roleplayers perspective my specific punishment for Anders (from my Hawke) would probably be to send him back to the Grey Wardens.

And if he runs away AGAIN then I guess they should cut off his legs or execute him or something...

[Sajuro]

I could never kill Anders, he's mah bro ;.;
part of the reason I could never side with Templars.

[Adanu]

I never kill Anders. You can't have as firmly established an institution as the Chantry reformed without death and violence. I don't care how well meaning and diplomatic you are, you aren't going to talk things through with Templars.

What Anders did was extreme, but tearing down the crappy system of the Chantry, Templars, and Circle required it.

[ZaroktheImmortal]

One thing about Anders is that it seems that the Justice/Vengeance may be the reason why he did what he did. Not to mention witnessing what happens to mages, his own friend being turned tranquil and in a moment of being normal begging for death. But on top of that it's mentioned that there is no way to tell the difference between Anders and Justice/Vengeance as they're combined so he'd be a cross between the two. Of course it was also Justice who became Vengeance due to being corrupted by Anders hate for the Templars and Chantry. But I wonder if Anders would have still done it without Justice/Vengeance..

[ZaroktheImmortal]

I didn't kill him because it wouldn't have changed anything. Plus I still wanted that character around for possibly future games just to see where that would lead. I actually wonder if there's any chance to split Justice from Anders even though I don't think Anders thinks it is possible. Though maybe someone in Tevinter might know a way to do it.

[Obsidian Gryphon]

Ditto. Wished I could shut him up too when he mumbled about his name etc, etc (what's that? can't hear you).  Anders, you deserved to be drawn and quartered.

[gaurdian9sunshine]

There has only  been one playthrough where I killed Anders, and it was difficult to do so. My Hawke didn't kill him because he was out of control, or because he hated him, but because my Hawke saw how much he was suffering and how much pain he was in. You can see how much he was warring with himself over the course of act 3. The other playthroughs I kept him alive because I thought my Hawke would have a better chance with him if they were on the run together. I hated how he lied to Hawke and I hated how depressed he got in act 3. 

[DarkAmaranth1966]

If I am going with the mages I sideline him. If i am going with the Templars, I force him to fight with me and put him in my party - now that has to be sheer torture LOL. Killing him just lets him die thinking he is a martyr and, that is rewarding him for murder so, I don't do that.

[maxernst]

My Hawke took the middle option. He sided with the mages, not out of a commitment to mage freedom, but because Meredith's pretext for the annulment was bull, and he refused to kill people for something that they didn't do. He was furious with Anders for the deliberate provocation, and would have supported Aveline's bid to bring him to justice, but he didn't feel he had any right to impose a summary execution. So I let him live but refused to even talk to him afterward.