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[Rivendark]

...For letting Lady Isolde die, just because she made Alistair's (who I am romancing for the 100th time) childhood miserable?  I feel bloddthirsty... and evil, and I am not sorry. I wonder if anyone else romancing Alistair has done the same on purpose, and for the same reason.

[JasonPogo]

While I like Alistair alot I never Romance him. However I have killed Isolde several times and never felt bad about it. One reason was for my buddy Alistair.

[GSSAGE7]

It has nothing to do with Alistair, I just don't like Isolde. On an unrelated note, how come Leliana is the only Orlesian in the game with an accent that doesn't make me want to rip my ears out?

[Costin_Razvan]

Because Leliana is the only character actually voiced by a FRENCH actress.

[TBastian]

I usually let Isolde die, simply because I do not believe that the demon inside Connor is an idiot. As soon as the party leaves for the Mage Tower reality dictates that the demon should have gone on a rampage - instead, you are allowed to take your time and even finish the Mage Circle quest, if you haven't already.

[Klidi]

I only let Isolde die once, when I was trying to play evil character, and he did it because he couldn't be bothered to waste his time going back to the Tower to save such a cow when it didn't really bring any profit. 
I don't think 'reality dictates' that the demon would go on rampage. It would certainly try, but now there would be enough people - Templar, other mages that could prevent it and kill it, in the worst case. Especially as in reality any sane person would use boats - so it would only take few hours and could be easily managed by sundown.

[Tryynity]

Rivendark wrote...

...For letting Lady Isolde die, just because she made Alistair's (who I am romancing for the 100th time) childhood miserable?  I feel bloddthirsty... and evil, and I am not sorry. I wonder if anyone else romancing Alistair has done the same on purpose, and for the same reason.

I am with you on that - Isolde is going to die this time round coz my Dalish only thinks in black and white not rainbow - not an evil motive but simply she dishonoured her husband, family, and her choices led to bad results for many. 

Also because she was a cold-hearted cow toward Alistair (not that my dalish cares but it certainly doesnt help her case).

I only romanced Alistair once and never again... I only killed Isolde then because it was my first run- thru and I missed somehow that I could go to the tower and get help... so yea she died and Alistair yelled at me and I was sad... so never again .  Now I dont give a rat's what Alibear thinks so yea - she gooorrrnnnne

[TBastian]

But your party doesn't actually use boats, does it? There must have been some reason why the couldn't, since the rest of the townsfolk decided to tough it out in Redcliffe instead of taking into the lake themselves. It might be because sinking a boat is trivial compared to raising the dead, or that the demon is causing thunderstorms or whatever.

Does a DLC add a templar/mage party in Redcliffe to guard Connor and co. while you leave for the circle? If the demon had any sense (and it did) it could have renewed its attack as soon as PC and co. left the area, considering how easily it mind controlled Bann Teagan, among other things. At the very least it could have levitated a kitchen knife and started killing the people inside the castle, starting with Isolde. Instead it suddenly decided to become passive, for whatever reason.

Modifié par TBastian, 06 octobre 2011 - 12:54 .

[ShimmeringDjinn]

TBastian wrote...

I usually let Isolde die, simply because I do not believe that the demon inside Connor is an idiot. As soon as the party leaves for the Mage Tower reality dictates that the demon should have gone on a rampage - instead, you are allowed to take your time and even finish the Mage Circle quest, if you haven't already.

I let her die too and I always romance Alistair.
If she hadn't been so worried about how she would look in the eyes of other's after her son was discovered to be a mage then all those people wouldn't be dead. Therefore she deserves her fate at the hands of a blood mage. Its quiet a  fitting death really.

Edit to add. Plus the woman shows not an ounce of remorse for the deaths she caused.

Modifié par ShimmeringDjinn, 06 octobre 2011 - 01:09 .

[Klidi]

TBastian wrote...

But your party doesn't actually use boats, does it? There must have been some reason why the couldn't, since the rest of the townsfolk decided to tough it out in Redcliffe instead of taking into the lake themselves. It might be because sinking a boat is trivial compared to raising the dead, or that the demon is causing thunderstorms or whatever.

Does a DLC add a templar/mage party in Redcliffe to guard Connor and co. while you leave for the circle? If the demon had any sense (and it did) it could have renewed its attack as soon as PC and co. left the area, considering how easily it mind controlled Bann Teagan, among other things. At the very least it could have levitated a kitchen knife and started killing the people inside the castle, starting with Isolde. Instead it suddenly decided to become passive, for whatever reason.

Heh. First you talk about 'reality' and then you use game mechanics as an argument. Besides, half of these things depend on how you play.
 
I never took whole party back to the Tower, because it is already solved, I only take Zev, and that's only because I take him everywhere.

We see boats on the lake. That they are not used is just the game mechanics, same as the limited number of people in the party, or 'camp' as one fixed place on the map. In reality, all your companions would be with you in Redcliffe so you could choose who will stay to protect the castle and who will go with you for a simple quest to fetch few mages. Because in real life you wouldn't know you would have to fight abominations, so it would be normal to take only one or two of them and leave the rest to guard the castle. As for templars, they come into the castle after the battle and stay there.

And finally, Connor is not under full control yet, and if you face him he will tell you he was trying to keep the scary lady quiet.

So I think there is no reason to kill Isolde just for 'reality' sake.

Which doesn't mean there aren't many other.

[TBastian]

So basically your take on "reality" is that Connor's demon is so incompetent that she can raise an army of undead but can't deal with boats, that she can mind control someone like Teagan but can't bring Connor under reign when she has to, and that ordinary knights (they're knights not templars, or at least they're not if you haven't finished the Circle quest yet) can handle a demon who was strong enough to bring a Revenant into the living world. Nevermind that the demon shows incredible telekinetic talent, and that there actually are important NPC's in the castle who I doubt won't last long against any type of levitating pointy object.
True, you could argue that if you did the Redcliffe quest last and hired all companions (and left most of them to guard Connor) then the demon would have to think twice about trying anything, but with any other scenario I fail to see how it would be believable.

Modifié par TBastian, 06 octobre 2011 - 08:27 .

[MyNameIsPower]

*I* did not kill Isolde.  I simply went along with her willingness to sacrifice herself.  She wanted it that way.

I did not go off to the Mage Tower, someplace I had never been before, because it didn't seem logical, especially in a timeliness sort of way.  The problem needed to be dealt with immediate.  There was no time for me to go trapsing off to the Tower, then get caught in the Fade.  Yeah, wait right here, I'll be back in a week with help!

I didn't feel bad for any of my actions, and when Alistair blew up about it, I just threw some cold water on him.

[Klidi]

If she is so powerful, how is it possible she cannot fully control one little boy? That's not my theory, that's in game - we see Connor resist her, and later he himself says so. And this is not mechanics, it's the part of the story, therefore canon that you can't ignore. Sorry.

[TBastian]

Heh. First you talk about 'reality' and then you use game mechanics as an argument.

Makes us even.

We know Connor can resist her, but we also know that he's fighting a losing battle. This is also canon.

Modifié par TBastian, 06 octobre 2011 - 08:44 .

[gandanlin]

I sometimes wonder if Connor's demon is not a distorted reflection of Isolde herself.

[K_Tabris]

WOW.

She's downright annoying, but loving Alistair to the point of irrationally killing Isolde is obsessive and silly.

Kill her because it's better than killing Connor, and you sided with the Templars, not for revenge that Alistair himself disagrees with.

[gandanlin]

GSSAGE7 wrote...

It has nothing to do with Alistair, I just don't like Isolde. On an unrelated note, how come Leliana is the only Orlesian in the game with an accent that doesn't make me want to rip my ears out?

I don't mean to go off-topic, but wasn't Leliana born in Denerim?  That makes her a Fereldan by birth.  Her mother moved to Orlais and it was there, apparently, that Leliana picked up the accent. 

In dialogue early in the game Leliana refers to herself as a Fereldan, so she obviously thinks of herself that way.

Modifié par gandanlin, 07 octobre 2011 - 09:08 .

[gandanlin]

NovinhaShepard wrote...

WOW.

She's downright annoying, but loving Alistair to the point of irrationally killing Isolde is obsessive and silly.

Kill her because it's better than killing Connor, and you sided with the Templars, not for revenge that Alistair himself disagrees with.

I agree that Isolde is annoying.  She also seems oblivious to her own capacity for endangering the people around her by making selfish decisions.

I ordinarily attempt to save both Connor and Isolde.  Although I am sometimes inclined to think it is Isolde who needs the exorcism.

[Rivendark]

Well, of course letting her die because of what her selfishness caused  is also a good reason.

Maybe in my next play through, I will excuse my killing her or Connor with the reasoning that it would have taken too much time to travel back and forth to the circle, and delaying the ritual would have probably only caused more people die.  There was a post somewhere about the distances in kilometers between each point. Anyone remembers the link for that?
Such scheming! 

It is funny though.. that if you let Connor die, Alistair is upset and suggests that my warden could have let Isolde sacrifice herself instead. That boy is such a hypocrite.  And yet, every time I decide to re-play the game I end up romancing him. <_<

Modifié par Rivendark, 06 octobre 2011 - 10:35 .

[thats1evildude]

Rivendark wrote...

It is funny though.. that if you let Connor die, Alistair is upset and suggests that my warden could have let Isolde sacrifice herself instead. That boy is such a hypocrite.

Well, in Alistair's defence, he's not really upset over Connor/Isolde's death. He's upset because he feel he's failed Arl Eamon. The Warden can do far worse things over the course of Origins and net less disapproval from Alistair.

[TBastian]

It is true part of these things depend on how you play (though how much varies apparently). No one should judge you if you agreed to sacrificing Isolde because you wanted the demon removed asap, but going so far as to measure the distance between Redcliffe and the Circle in kilometers almost makes it seem like you're just trying to justify the act as of it were an excuse. (I mean this in a teasing way)
That's a bit too much.

Modifié par TBastian, 06 octobre 2011 - 11:42 .

[K_Tabris]

Rivendark wrote...

It is funny though.. that if you let Connor die, Alistair is upset and suggests that my warden could have let Isolde sacrifice herself instead. That boy is such a hypocrite.  And yet, every time I decide to re-play the game I end up romancing him. <_<

 

Well, you are not a bad woman.  Sorry for sounding so b!tchy.....
I have quite the blind spot for Merrill in DA2, though no comparable story choice.

And Isolde is annoying. I'm sure Eamon is secretly thankful to the Warden for getting rid of his obnoxious wife (JUST KIDDING)

[Requiesta De Silencia]

Hell I've always played a straight (or bisexual but more inclined towards women) male and I've killed lady isolde just because that little -insert curse word here- pisses me off >>

[Rivendark]

NovinhaShepard wrote...

And Isolde is annoying. I'm sure Eamon is secretly thankful to the Warden for getting rid of his obnoxious wife (JUST KIDDING)

She is probably too immature anyway.  She is what? 40 years younger than him? Somehow I find that a bit disturbing.

[Joy Divison]

NovinhaShepard wrote...

WOW.

She's downright annoying, but loving Alistair to the point of irrationally killing Isolde is obsessive and silly.

Kill her because it's better than killing Connor, and you sided with the Templars, not for revenge that Alistair himself disagrees with.

Videogame characters are fun to kill

Lloyd never makes it through the Redcliff battle