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[LeVaughnX]

In Mass Effect 1 Ash or Kai had their own seperate issues with Shepard, the Mission, or just Personal stuff. Now you can romance them and start to slowly bring out a more mature side in either of them. Even if you don't romance them you can still kind of "Mature" them; and by the end of Mass Effect 1 you see a pretty big improvement of their over-all personalities.

Ashley started to mature (while staying a tom-boy); she dropped a lot of the racist stuff (which CAN be part Xenophobia - I can explain this logically), she began to open up and generally almost said she loved you (if it was a romance). Without a romance she still opened up a lot; and she was pretty nice.

Kaidan I never had a problem with his attitude but he did seem kind of wussy and whiney. He did have SOME trust and opening issues but he matured a lot and began to show that he had a deep pallet of emotions that could be used in various situations (I didn't romance - I'm not gay).

Now when I played Mass Effect 2 I was in total friggen shock at how bad the VS was. They screwed up their mission on Horizon, watched first hand as an Alien Species (Collectors) ran-sacked the place, and they had the nerve to call out Shepard at the end of it. BOTH of them were acting like Alliance Blood Hounds; which I can understand for Ash but not for Kai, his bullsh*t made no sense. I can understand the Cerberus hate from both of them; but at the same time Shepard isn't working for them, he (or she) is just "there".

I barely can watch Ash/Kai talk to Shepard; they basically spit all over him/her and act like they are so smart and that the Alliance is so amazing. If they knew anything they'd know the hell Shepard went through; especially if they "MATURED" through ME1. Not only this but they DENY the damn Reaper threat in some fashion! How the hell can they do that unless the writers involved in ME2 had no involvement with the ME1 storyline?! Why would someone start to mature then suddenly become ten years old? Were they upset they failed? Were they upset that Liara had more balls than them? I don't understand why Ash or Kai were so friggen bad in ME2.

Not to mention Ashley - the worse of the two - acted high and mighty about how she loved Shepard (if they romanced) and how much of an ass he was. That made no sense; not only to me but majority of my die hard RPG playing friends AND my girlfriend! You don't just call out someone you love; especially if you started dating someone a few months after your husband/boyfriend just died! 

Anyway - the BIGGEST shock to me was for ME3. Ashley became some Bisexual Spectre Tramp which is completely against her character. Not only was she not Bisexual for two years+ but she hated the Council so why the hell would she even care to be a Spectre? Also - both Ash and Kai leaned on Shepard mostly, while screwing a MASSIVE mission up that costed many human lives! What did they do so important to get such a high rank? 

Regardless; I know I'll get a ton of hate but I'm not here to ****** anyone off. Its a logical response when you're someone who dives deep into story based games. Maybe someone can "UNBIASLY" help me understand things. Maybe the Bioware Community can show its nicer side for once.

[AdmiralCheez]

Oh for f*ck's sake, this thread again?!

[spirosz]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

Oh for f*ck's sake, this thread again?!

@ OP

I believe there is a topic on this subject, maybe a few pages back. 

[Labrev]

IMO, they got real emotional and everything and weren't thinking straight, and Shepard was derp.

Their first impression is just like "omg you're alive... and you didn't tell me, why?" And then the whole thing is about Cerberus, which would be akin to telling Tali you're working with the geth (see if she'd support you then). It's a lot to take in, and then they are right in having reservations about your judgement. TIM did indeed manipulate you more than once over the course of the mission.

In the end, I think they probably feel bad about what they said. Of course, in the BW world they only care enough to mail you an apology if you slept with them. And because of who they work for, obviously they can't just drop everything and join up with you. Liara couldn't, neither would Wrex. Tali/Garrus weren't doing anything better.

[Complistic]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

Oh for f*ck's sake, this thread again?!

[Destroy Raiden_]

Yeah I love how off that whole scene was they're angry yet they hug or shake your hand? Sorry a good shove or slap would've worked rather then the your tone is cautious while you say hi and before that you were literally praising me so I, " Hi VS how are you?" turns into they want to rip you a new one. BW really needed to consult a social cue expert on that one.

Also OP like the pic TEAM DEXTRO for the win!

Modifié par Destroy Raiden , 06 octobre 2011 - 02:37 .

[LadyofRivendell]

I used to be angry about the Horizon scene, but after reading it explained so many times around here, it makes sense.Try looking at some old threads on the same subject, you'll find your answers and discussions.

[LeVaughnX]

Is there any reason you can't talk out the differences of opinion? Do some of you HAVE to be immature then try to find some way to point out me being immature (or the OP whomever that person may be). I mean really; I'm not crying about the people who hate Tali, Garrus or Liara, but I'll get angry if they act with haste or just go ""OMFGBBQNOIH8THEMDURP"" like most of the fanboys/girls.

Anyway - the VS really had an emotional "problem" that didn't set right with me (and multiple others). Maybe (like my original theory) they were brainwashed or something during their stunned peroid on Horizon...that would make more sense but not really.

[shepskisaac]

LeVaughnX wrote...

Do some of you HAVE to be immature

Did you read your original post with all these 'amazing' arguments including bisexial super tramp Ashley tirade? If you start with dumb immature post, don't expect quality answer, you set the tone yourself.

[AdmiralCheez]

LeVaughnX wrote...

Is there any reason you can't talk out the differences of opinion? Do some of you HAVE to be immature then try to find some way to point out me being immature (or the OP whomever that person may be). I mean really; I'm not crying about the people who hate Tali, Garrus or Liara, but I'll get angry if they act with haste or just go ""OMFGBBQNOIH8THEMDURP"" like most of the fanboys/girls.

Dude, it's not that.  Fact is, we have already discussed the sh*t out of this topic and I will kill the next guy to bring it up again no matter what side they're on.

Same goes for multiplayer and Tali's face.

[Labrev]

Sorry, probably shouldn't have left a serious reply then.

Just never voiced my opinion on this because I don't bother with 83-page threads.

[Collider]

Meh.
To give the topic a chance.
I was disappointed with how they handled Kaidan in ME2 and it felt like, yet again, they prioritized Ashley and thus Kaidan had Ashley's fiery and accusative attitude. So Kaidan was OOC for me. And if he continues to be act like this in ME3, I'll really cease any interest in his character.
I'm especially worried considering some indication that Kaidan will be S/S romanceable. I may actually do his M/M romance, but the possible fact that they're even doing one means that they may be taking Kaidan into a different direction - and if that direction is similar to how Horizon was, that's awful.

It would be a real shame, because Kaidan of ME1 is my favorite character.

[DoNotIngest]

Hah Yes Reapers wrote...

IMO, they got real emotional and everything and weren't thinking straight, and Shepard was derp.

Their first impression is just like "omg you're alive... and you didn't tell me, why?" And then the whole thing is about Cerberus, which would be akin to telling Tali you're working with the geth (see if she'd support you then). It's a lot to take in, and then they are right in having reservations about your judgement. TIM did indeed manipulate you more than once over the course of the mission.

In the end, I think they probably feel bad about what they said. Of course, in the BW world they only care enough to mail you an apology if you slept with them. And because of who they work for, obviously they can't just drop everything and join up with you. Liara couldn't, neither would Wrex. Tali/Garrus weren't doing anything better.

The humans have no more reason to be angry with Cerberus than any of the others. Actually, Cerberus attacked the Migrant Fleet, killing a bunch of Quarians while Shepard was dead. Go figure who joins and who doesn't.

Plus, Garrus just waited to take out Sidonis for when you had time, and Tali went to complete her last mission before joining up. It's not like the VS couldn't.


I'll just yell at Kaidan 'til he cries, then slap him on the back, help him up and leave him to collect dust in the Normandy except for when I talk to him out of pure burning curiousity. No offense to his character, I just hold a grudge.

[PauseforEffect]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

Oh for f*ck's sake, this thread again?!

Wow. If you got 'Cheez to swear, you've really ticked her off.
*ducks for cover*

[Xilizhra]

Now, see, I might have agreed with the spirit of some of your post, and I admit I smiled slightly at the poster, but then we got...

Anyway - the BIGGEST shock to me was for ME3. Ashley became some Bisexual Spectre Tramp which is completely against her character.

And now I simply want to inflict pain.

Wow. If you got 'Cheez to swear, you've really ticked her off.

No you haven't.

[Siansonea]

Yeah, this is a dead horse. And we've beaten into a wet spot. Seriously, talk about late to the party. Where have you been, OP?

Modifié par Siansonea II, 06 octobre 2011 - 03:09 .

[AdmiralCheez]

PrimalEden wrote...

Wow. If you got 'Cheez to swear, you've really ticked her off.
*ducks for cover*

Nah, cursing is normal.

It's when type out something calm, verbose, and well thought-out that you should run.

[Labrev]

DoNotIngest wrote...

Hah Yes Reapers wrote...

IMO, they got real emotional and everything and weren't thinking straight, and Shepard was derp.

Their first impression is just like "omg you're alive... and you didn't tell me, why?" And then the whole thing is about Cerberus, which would be akin to telling Tali you're working with the geth (see if she'd support you then). It's a lot to take in, and then they are right in having reservations about your judgement. TIM did indeed manipulate you more than once over the course of the mission.

In the end, I think they probably feel bad about what they said. Of course, in the BW world they only care enough to mail you an apology if you slept with them. And because of who they work for, obviously they can't just drop everything and join up with you. Liara couldn't, neither would Wrex. Tali/Garrus weren't doing anything better.

The humans have no more reason to be angry with Cerberus than any of the others. Actually, Cerberus attacked the Migrant Fleet, killing a bunch of Quarians while Shepard was dead. Go figure who joins and who doesn't.

Plus, Garrus just waited to take out Sidonis for when you had time, and Tali went to complete her last mission before joining up. It's not like the VS couldn't.


I'll just yell at Kaidan 'til he cries, then slap him on the back, help him up and leave him to collect dust in the Normandy except for when I talk to him out of pure burning curiousity. No offense to his character, I just hold a grudge.

It's not being humans, it's being Alliance, and Cerberus being a sworn enemy to them (geth to quarians).

I don't know what particular gripes they have (and I don't want to open a Cerberus can-of-worms in this thread, probably too late already) but obvious there are serious issues, and it's not far-fetched that it would be issues as bad as what they did to the quarians.

Garrus didn't even know the whereabouts of Sidonis before the mission, and of course he waited, the mission takes priority to him settling a score. And yes, Tali also didn't drop everything and join you either, she had to do things herself. That it turns out that Ash/Kaidan is a Spectre means he/she was probably also doing some pretty important things, without the luxury of deciding when they want to quit like Tali does.

At that point, one has to point to the writing and concede that it just wasn't in the cards for Shepard to get the VS back in ME2, and that's the approach they went about with it. I don't think it was great writing, but it wasn't terrible either. In the end I just went with it.

And I'm sure Kaidan will REALLY suffer from all the days-off you're giving him lol.

[ADLegend21]

LeVaughnX wrote...

First off, Tali and Garrus were added due to massive fan outcry and are killable. the VS is not (the surviving one that is) also theVrimire Survivor is Alliance and therefore it would be treasonous for them to be on a Cerberus Ship, thus putting a target on Shepards' ship for capturing not one, but two traitors  to the Allaince thus mucking up Mass Effect 2 the moment Shepard returns to the Citadel for Garrus's LM. Also this spells KaidAn's name wrong for the umpteenth time therefore making it an invalid insult. The VS is either undertaking spectre training/evaluation, or are doing Spectr emissions and have no time to play mercenary, unlike Tali and Garrus who have no importance to anything outside of their own personal fix me quests which,outside of Shepard telling the quarians to either take it to the geth or to hold back on fighitng with the geth at the end of Tali's mission, have no importance to the overall plot of the ME Universe.

the VS is off becoming a government sponsored and supplied Badass and is therefore unable to answer the phone atm, please call back in Mass Effect 3 where they clearly outclass every other non Shepard person with their shiny Spectre gear, stories, and overall aura because , you know Ashley Williams/ KaidAn Alenko of the Special Tactics and Reonnaissance Branch of the Citadel has a much nicer ring to it than VS.

[ADLegend21]

DoNotIngest wrote...

The humans have no more reason to be angry with Cerberus than any of the others. Actually, Cerberus attacked the Migrant Fleet, killing a bunch of Quarians while Shepard was dead. Go figure who joins and who doesn't.

Plus, Garrus just waited to take out Sidonis for when you had time, and Tali went to complete her last mission before joining up. It's not like the VS couldn't.


I'll just yell at Kaidan 'til he cries, then slap him on the back, help him up and leave him to collect dust in the Normandy except for when I talk to him out of pure burning curiousity. No offense to his character, I just hold a grudge.

Um....did you forget about the Thesher Maws on Akuze? Admiral Kahoku? Humans have every right ot hate Cerberus. they also attacke dhte migrant fleet becuase they got into cerberus's business to protect a human. they ahd no reason whatsoever to meddle in human affairs so they got attacked for a cerberus asset.

Garrus is a quitter, even if shepard won't takehim in ME1 he quits C-Sec and stands there and he quits C-Sec again to goplay Merc on Omega, that's something he could quit just as easily for when Shepard came knocking.

Tali also has incredible pull in the migrant fleet, She can go, do ,and say anything and everywherebecause of her father.

the VS is Military. Alliance Military and has Orders to follow and since Shepard is cerberus, there's no way in Hell the Alliance is sharing.

[DoNotIngest]

Meh. Tali & Garrus helped save the galaxy. Nothing surmounts that, I don't give a damn what Keyden or Ash were doing.

Hell, Tali's willing to work with a Geth to do it and Garrus can sacrifice his one chance at revenge on the traitor that killed his squad for it. Better than a big "F*ck off!" from the VS.



EDIT: Shepard happens to be a Spectre, and does whatever the hell he wants, and isn't assigned "missions". Don't see him getting crap from the Council for it. And Tali basically walked off the job, I kind of doubt the Admiralty Board (Mainly her father) would have let her leave if she had gone back to the Fleet.

Spectres protect Council space. Thought that might involve Reaper minions. Guess personal vendettas trump duty.

Modifié par DoNotIngest, 06 octobre 2011 - 03:45 .

[Xilizhra]

ADLegend, while you can't do anything to make me hate you more than the OP, I'd appreciate it if you didn't try to make that no longer a reality by attacking squadmates who didn't introduce this argument.

[ADLegend21]

Xilizhra wrote...

ADLegend, while you can't do anything to make me hate you more than the OP, I'd appreciate it if you didn't try to make that no longer a reality by attacking squadmates who didn't introduce this argument.

Attack? Tell me one thingI said that isn't true? Though the hate's appreciated, love ya Xil

[Mr.House]

Lol, the OP was funny. This was a joke right?

[Xilizhra]

ADLegend21 wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

ADLegend, while you can't do anything to make me hate you more than the OP, I'd appreciate it if you didn't try to make that no longer a reality by attacking squadmates who didn't introduce this argument.

Attack? Tell me one thingI said that isn't true? Though the hate's appreciated, love ya Xil

Calling Garrus a "quitter," various insinuations about how they did nothing important (except, well, help save the galaxy from the Collectors, and supply two of the three most vital ship upgrades while they were at it), and saying that the VS becoming a Spectre was a good idea from a story perspective.