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[Made Nightwing]

@Quole, so lying to them to give them closure is morally right? The geth and quarians won't go to war because of the research, Daro'Xen even admits that the research is much to volatile to be used, if you present it. I usually take the option of having Kal'Reegar and Veetor speak up for Tali. I don't think Rael'Zorah should get a free pass for his crimes, and my Shepard won't waste his breath defending Tali over something that she wanted. Let her own people defend her, maybe it will give her a better appreciation of how badly her father's actions hurt the Fleet.

After the Reaper War is over, my Shepard would want to reveal the truth, maybe not publicly, but at least to the families whose lives were ruined by his Cerberus-level arrogance and stupidity. I am repulsed by the thought of Rael'Zorah going down in history as a hero, when genuinely good men like General Williams go down as traitors for making the right and honorable choice.

EDIT: Speaking in the context of the ME universe of course.

Modifié par Made Nightwing, 16 octobre 2011 - 07:37 .

[Quole]

Made Nightwing wrote...

@Quole, so lying to them to give them closure is morally right? The geth and quarians won't go to war because of the research, Daro'Xen even admits that the research is much to volatile to be used, if you present it. I usually take the option of having Kal'Reegar and Veetor speak up for Tali. I don't think Rael'Zorah should get a free pass for his crimes, and my Shepard won't waste his breath defending Tali over something that she wanted. Let her own people defend her, maybe it will give her a better appreciation of how badly her father's actions hurt the Fleet.

After the Reaper War is over, my Shepard would want to reveal the truth, maybe not publicly, but at least to the families whose lives were ruined by his Cerberus-level arrogance and stupidity. I am repulsed by the thought of Rael'Zorah going down in history as a hero, when genuinely good men like General Williams go down as traitors for making the right and honorable choice.

EDIT: Speaking in the context of the ME universe of course.

Rael is dead. Therefor you cant punish him. Also, check youtube and see what happens if you give the evidence. The migrant fleet splits and a lot go to war. In this case, the ends justify the means. You CAN explain what happened after the war, but doing so before would jus be making your reaper situation a lot worse.  Tali actually says this.

Modifié par Quole, 16 octobre 2011 - 07:48 .

[BobZilla84]

I personally don't want there to be some half a**** apology scene The VS was right in their accusation about Cerberus we all know that but they do have to deal with the Elephant in the room and that being Shepard see no matter how the Virmire Survivor can look at it Shepard did the right thing even working with Cerberus because Lives where being lost so Shepard did what he had to do.

No matter how much the Cerberus Haters on these boards try to crucify Shepard as some Terriorist and a Traitor remember it's quite possable to not only report to Anderson and the Alliance but to the Council as well and they return his Spectre Status and even that being not much more than an goodwill gesture the point is that both The Alliance & The Council allowed Shepard to go after the Collectors to save the Colonists in the Terminus Systems considering that Spectre's answer to the Council after being reinstated they could have ordered him to stand down.

And alot of Alliance personel want to take Shepard in and interogate him but that kinda gets swept under a rug by the Higher ups like Admiral Hackett and Admiral Anderson.
Hackett Trusts Shepard completely Anderson on the other hand only trusts Shepard partly.

I am hoping that in Mass Effect 3 during Shepards Trial alot of different variables comes into play like that show everyone including The Virmire Survivor where Shepards Loyalties Lie like I said I don't want some lame a** Apology I want Ashley to see that she was wrong my Shepard was not a Traitor and thats what I want not an apology.
Possable Variables during Shepards Trial:
1.Spectre Status
2.Lorek Files
3.Destroyed Project Overlord
4.Destroyed Collector Base
5.Told The Illusive man to Shove off

Shepard worked with Cerberus he never Joined Cerberus there is a serious diffrence speaking from a personal view My Shepard wouldn't ever join Cerberus but lives were being lost so he did what was necessary and in doing so he Stopped any more Threats to not only Humanity but to all Species that the Collectors could harm.

[Xilizhra]

After the Reaper War is over, my Shepard would want to reveal the truth, maybe not publicly, but at least to the families whose lives were ruined by his Cerberus-level arrogance and stupidity.

So you think that it would be better for them for you to reopen old wounds by telling them that their family members were participants in this hideous war crime? Whom does that benefit?

when genuinely good men like General Williams go down as traitors for making the right and honorable choice.

Deservedly so. He helped with the formation of Cerberus.

[Made Nightwing]

Xilizhra wrote...

After the Reaper War is over, my Shepard would want to reveal the truth, maybe not publicly, but at least to the families whose lives were ruined by his Cerberus-level arrogance and stupidity.

So you think that it would be better for them for you to reopen old wounds by telling them that their family members were participants in this hideous war crime? Whom does that benefit?

when genuinely good men like General Williams go down as traitors for making the right and honorable choice.

Deservedly so. He helped with the formation of Cerberus.

If you had lost a family member to what seemed like an attack by a foreign government, but they were actually killed by a rogue faction of your own government, wouldn't you want to know the truth, no matter how much it hurt?

I actually refuse to acknowledge that stupid comic written by guys that briefly skimmed the Wikipedia article on Ashley. The whole 'TIM has prior contact with Saren and stops a weird Reaper artifact' thing is fine by me, but their characterisation of General Williams wasn't canon. Ashley and the Codex gave us the story on him, and I believe that more than I do Dark Horse. Ashley says her Grandfather and his troops were starved into surrender, and the Codex confirms that. In the ME universe, historians are trying to exonerate General Williams for this surrender, but are unsuccessful against political pressure. He's stuck with a reputation he doesn't deserve.

[Made Nightwing]

Quole wrote...

Made Nightwing wrote...

@Quole, so lying to them to give them closure is morally right? The geth and quarians won't go to war because of the research, Daro'Xen even admits that the research is much to volatile to be used, if you present it. I usually take the option of having Kal'Reegar and Veetor speak up for Tali. I don't think Rael'Zorah should get a free pass for his crimes, and my Shepard won't waste his breath defending Tali over something that she wanted. Let her own people defend her, maybe it will give her a better appreciation of how badly her father's actions hurt the Fleet.

After the Reaper War is over, my Shepard would want to reveal the truth, maybe not publicly, but at least to the families whose lives were ruined by his Cerberus-level arrogance and stupidity. I am repulsed by the thought of Rael'Zorah going down in history as a hero, when genuinely good men like General Williams go down as traitors for making the right and honorable choice.

EDIT: Speaking in the context of the ME universe of course.

Rael is dead. Therefor you cant punish him. Also, check youtube and see what happens if you give the evidence. The migrant fleet splits and a lot go to war. In this case, the ends justify the means. You CAN explain what happened after the war, but doing so before would jus be making your reaper situation a lot worse.  Tali actually says this.

Duly noted. After the war then. The truth will have to come out eventually, preferrably sooner rather than later.

[ADLegend21]

Quole wrote...

ADLegend21 wrote...

still doesn't excuse covering up the greatest war crime in the history of the quarian species.

if it means not starting a war with the geth and not seperating half the fleet then yes, it does.

No it doesn't. They WANTED war with the geth, that's why the did weapons test on ACTIVE Geth. Teh only reason I stop Legion is because I need the Geth to be focused on the reapers snce they can't get indoctrinated. If htere were no Reapers I'm leading the Geth into the migrant fleet so they can pay for their idoicy. You'd think they'd have learned their lesson after they got driven from their homeworld, they sure do complain about it, but no they still do ****** things like create MORE geth to use as cannon fodder and thenw onder why their ships crew get slaughtered. If Iw asn't a perfectionist and wanted to keep everyone alive I'd expose Tali every single time because Ra'elZorah's crimees are just that damn heinous.

You don't see the VS asking Shepard to cover up crimes, not that Kaidan or Ashley would get convicted because, you know their Spectre's and have seen what happens to Spectre's who go rogue.

[NeroSparda]

ADLegend21 wrote...

Quole wrote...

ADLegend21 wrote...

still doesn't excuse covering up the greatest war crime in the history of the quarian species.

if it means not starting a war with the geth and not seperating half the fleet then yes, it does.

No it doesn't. They WANTED war with the geth, that's why the did weapons test on ACTIVE Geth. Teh only reason I stop Legion is because I need the Geth to be focused on the reapers snce they can't get indoctrinated. If htere were no Reapers I'm leading the Geth into the migrant fleet so they can pay for their idoicy. You'd think they'd have learned their lesson after they got driven from their homeworld, they sure do complain about it, but no they still do ****** things like create MORE geth to use as cannon fodder and thenw onder why their ships crew get slaughtered. If Iw asn't a perfectionist and wanted to keep everyone alive I'd expose Tali every single time because Ra'elZorah's crimees are just that damn heinous.

You don't see the VS asking Shepard to cover up crimes, not that Kaidan or Ashley would get convicted because, you know their Spectre's and have seen what happens to Spectre's who go rogue.

You are forgetting that the majority of the Geth do not want war, they want peace. So even if there were no Reapers, most of the Geth would not follow you to kill the Quarians.

[Xilizhra]

If you had lost a family member to what seemed like an attack by a foreign government, but they were actually killed by a rogue faction of your own government, wouldn't you want to know the truth, no matter how much it hurt?

Not quite the same thing. These family members were part of the rogue faction, and were killed by escapees from their torture. That would hurt rather more.

I actually refuse to acknowledge that stupid comic written by guys that briefly skimmed the Wikipedia article on Ashley.

All right. Then I'll fail to acknowledge that Tali ever asked to keep anything hidden, and the information was all let out with happiness for everyone.
You're technically right that he's stuck with a reputation he doesn't deserve, but in the opposite of the way it was intended; he was actually far worse than his reputation suggested, for completely different reasons.

Modifié par Xilizhra, 16 octobre 2011 - 10:34 .

[Quole]

ADLegend21 wrote...

Quole wrote...

ADLegend21 wrote...

still doesn't excuse covering up the greatest war crime in the history of the quarian species.

if it means not starting a war with the geth and not seperating half the fleet then yes, it does.

No it doesn't. They WANTED war with the geth, that's why the did weapons test on ACTIVE Geth. Teh only reason I stop Legion is because I need the Geth to be focused on the reapers snce they can't get indoctrinated. If htere were no Reapers I'm leading the Geth into the migrant fleet so they can pay for their idoicy. You'd think they'd have learned their lesson after they got driven from their homeworld, they sure do complain about it, but no they still do ****** things like create MORE geth to use as cannon fodder and thenw onder why their ships crew get slaughtered. If Iw asn't a perfectionist and wanted to keep everyone alive I'd expose Tali every single time because Ra'elZorah's crimees are just that damn heinous.

You don't see the VS asking Shepard to cover up crimes, not that Kaidan or Ashley would get convicted because, you know their Spectre's and have seen what happens to Spectre's who go rogue.

Actually no, only SOME want war with the geth. Giving the evidence convinces SOME to go to war with the geth. This would make matter so much worse for when the reapers show up. What good could possibly come out of giving the evidence? Nothing. You would cause more harm than good. Use your brain.

As for Quarians being `dumb.` I think its more a matter of them being desperate. They cant keep their fleet together forever, their people have to suffer constantly,  they cant colonize another planet, and the whole galaxy hates them. And this all because of something their ancestors did. Something they had no part in. You cant really judge them because you dont know what that be like. You also want to kill off all the quarians for something only some of them want? How is that fair? The quarians dont even know about Legion and the Heretics. The only contact they (and everyone else) ever gets is with the heretics. The Geth have never even tried to communicate with them. Honestly, your stance in this is incredibly ignorant and sadly, typical.

Modifié par Quole, 16 octobre 2011 - 10:52 .

[alperez]

BobZilla 2k10

The elephant in the room isn't shepard as you put it, its cerberus.

What you seem to be missing in your interpretation is its the fact that Shepard is working with cerberus that creates most of the problems on Horizon.

If shepard had just returned alone or with some other ally on Horizon and then the VS. made the accusations that they did against Shepard then your interpretation would be spot on, but its the fact that he's working with cerberus that becomes the key factor.

What Shepard did 2 years previously has no bearing on what he may be doing now, simply working with cerberus opens up way too many questions, questions that apart from the VS. few people including Shepard himself ask or try to find answers for.

Shepard was presumed dead for 2 years, rumours were spread he was alive and working with cerberus, he arrives on Horizon and surprise surprise he's working with cerberus.

This opens up key questions, questions that Shepard despite having evidence to prove his position doesn't answer very well, in fact he's almost completely dismissive of these questions and answers with no proof other than his word, which the mere fact he's now aligned with cerberus puts his word into question.

Shepard makes a claim that working with cerberus is the only way to stop the collectors, does he provide any evidence or this or simply suggest that he's knows best?

We as players are completely aware of the whole picture, we know what's happened during the past 2 years, we know why Shepard's aligned with cerberus and we know that Shepard is still the same person he always was.

The problem is that by working with cerberus, by not offering any evidence or proof that this is the only course of action available, by the mere fact that he's alive and not explaining how that is the case, Shepard's position, his word and therefore his actions are all open to questions, questions that while we know the answers to are not answered to the VS.

Think of it like this, Saren was considered the top spectre in the universe, someone completely above reproach, yet he turned against the very people who trusted him most, so why can't this be true of Shepard also?

If Saren who for over 20 years was considered a legend, the galaxy's most fearsome spectre and someone who people looked up to can fool the people closest to him so much that Nihlus never expected the gunshot that killed him, then why could it not also be true that Shepard may be going down the same route.

His presumed death and resurrection, his being absent for 2 years, his alignment with cerberus (regardless of how he felt about them just 2 years earlier) all of these open up questions that Shepard doesn't answer.

Remember how the council acted when Shepard made his claims about Saren, they asked for evidence, only then did they believe the truth about him, so why should it be any different with the VS and Shepard.

[NeroSparda]

alperez wrote...

BobZilla 2k10

The elephant in the room isn't shepard as you put it, its cerberus.

What you seem to be missing in your interpretation is its the fact that Shepard is working with cerberus that creates most of the problems on Horizon.

If shepard had just returned alone or with some other ally on Horizon and then the VS. made the accusations that they did against Shepard then your interpretation would be spot on, but its the fact that he's working with cerberus that becomes the key factor.

What Shepard did 2 years previously has no bearing on what he may be doing now, simply working with cerberus opens up way too many questions, questions that apart from the VS. few people including Shepard himself ask or try to find answers for.

Shepard was presumed dead for 2 years, rumours were spread he was alive and working with cerberus, he arrives on Horizon and surprise surprise he's working with cerberus.

This opens up key questions, questions that Shepard despite having evidence to prove his position doesn't answer very well, in fact he's almost completely dismissive of these questions and answers with no proof other than his word, which the mere fact he's now aligned with cerberus puts his word into question.

Shepard makes a claim that working with cerberus is the only way to stop the collectors, does he provide any evidence or this or simply suggest that he's knows best?

We as players are completely aware of the whole picture, we know what's happened during the past 2 years, we know why Shepard's aligned with cerberus and we know that Shepard is still the same person he always was.

The problem is that by working with cerberus, by not offering any evidence or proof that this is the only course of action available, by the mere fact that he's alive and not explaining how that is the case, Shepard's position, his word and therefore his actions are all open to questions, questions that while we know the answers to are not answered to the VS.

Think of it like this, Saren was considered the top spectre in the universe, someone completely above reproach, yet he turned against the very people who trusted him most, so why can't this be true of Shepard also?

If Saren who for over 20 years was considered a legend, the galaxy's most fearsome spectre and someone who people looked up to can fool the people closest to him so much that Nihlus never expected the gunshot that killed him, then why could it not also be true that Shepard may be going down the same route.

His presumed death and resurrection, his being absent for 2 years, his alignment with cerberus (regardless of how he felt about them just 2 years earlier) all of these open up questions that Shepard doesn't answer.

Remember how the council acted when Shepard made his claims about Saren, they asked for evidence, only then did they believe the truth about him, so why should it be any different with the VS and Shepard.

The scars and the eyes would probably be a good indication of what is going on, or probably run a few exams on his/her body to see what is going on within Shepard's body. But I doubt they would go and do that nor comment on the scars and eyes. <_<

[Quole]

jreezy wrote...

ADLegend21 wrote...

Quole wrote...

ADLegend21 wrote...

still doesn't excuse covering up the greatest war crime in the history of the quarian species.

if it means not starting a war with the geth and not seperating half the fleet then yes, it does.

No it doesn't. They WANTED war with the geth, that's why the did weapons test on ACTIVE Geth. Teh only reason I stop Legion is because I need the Geth to be focused on the reapers snce they can't get indoctrinated. If htere were no Reapers I'm leading the Geth into the migrant fleet so they can pay for their idoicy. You'd think they'd have learned their lesson after they got driven from their homeworld, they sure do complain about it, but no they still do ****** things like create MORE geth to use as cannon fodder and thenw onder why their ships crew get slaughtered. If Iw asn't a perfectionist and wanted to keep everyone alive I'd expose Tali every single time because Ra'elZorah's crimees are just that damn heinous.

You don't see the VS asking Shepard to cover up crimes, not that Kaidan or Ashley would get convicted because, you know their Spectre's and have seen what happens to Spectre's who go rogue.

You seem to be mistaking the actions and motivations of select Quarians for the actions and motivations of the entire species.

Indeed.

[Made Nightwing]

Xilizhra wrote...

If you had lost a family member to what seemed like an attack by a foreign government, but they were actually killed by a rogue faction of your own government, wouldn't you want to know the truth, no matter how much it hurt?

Not quite the same thing. These family members were part of the rogue faction, and were killed by escapees from their torture. That would hurt rather more.

I actually refuse to acknowledge that stupid comic written by guys that briefly skimmed the Wikipedia article on Ashley.

All right. Then I'll fail to acknowledge that Tali ever asked to keep anything hidden, and the information was all let out with happiness for everyone.
You're technically right that he's stuck with a reputation he doesn't deserve, but in the opposite of the way it was intended; he was actually far worse than his reputation suggested, for completely different reasons.

I'll say it again. The canon story is the one relayed to us by the ME1 Codex, not that of a four panel cameo in a comic written by guys who seemed to have been barely familiar with the plot of the first game.

In regards to the quarians: Torture is too strong a word, they were simply experimenting on ways to assume control of the network. Rael'Zorah ordered them to carry out the experiments, and they followed his orders. There should be a full review of all logs and diaries to separate the innocent from the guilty. I simply believe that all of it has to be brought out and examined before there can be a lasting peace between quarians and the geth. The Geth will eventually find out about it. Better that the quarians acknowledge what they did wrong, and condemn it for the war crime that it was.

I understand why Tali asked for it to be covered up, but when the Reaper War is over, the truth has to be made known. It is the only morally right path to be taken.

[ADLegend21]

Quole wrote...

jreezy wrote...

ADLegend21 wrote...

Quole wrote...

ADLegend21 wrote...

still doesn't excuse covering up the greatest war crime in the history of the quarian species.

if it means not starting a war with the geth and not seperating half the fleet then yes, it does.

No it doesn't. They WANTED war with the geth, that's why the did weapons test on ACTIVE Geth. Teh only reason I stop Legion is because I need the Geth to be focused on the reapers snce they can't get indoctrinated. If htere were no Reapers I'm leading the Geth into the migrant fleet so they can pay for their idoicy. You'd think they'd have learned their lesson after they got driven from their homeworld, they sure do complain about it, but no they still do ****** things like create MORE geth to use as cannon fodder and thenw onder why their ships crew get slaughtered. If Iw asn't a perfectionist and wanted to keep everyone alive I'd expose Tali every single time because Ra'elZorah's crimees are just that damn heinous.

You don't see the VS asking Shepard to cover up crimes, not that Kaidan or Ashley would get convicted because, you know their Spectre's and have seen what happens to Spectre's who go rogue.

You seem to be mistaking the actions and motivations of select Quarians for the actions and motivations of the entire species.

Indeed.

Am I really? Tehn why is qwib qwib the only quarian that wants to make peeace with the Geth? everyone other quarian wants to blow Legion's head off or thinks Tali's guilty by his presence on the ship. teh admiralty is all in favor of war except qwib qwib and what the admiralty says goes for all quarians.

[ADLegend21]

That's because Tali's father died! if he's alive that's two of 5 with one having the potential to be swayed and my bets go to Shala siding with her life long friends. Plus, as Legion said the Quarians have attacked the Geth when they thought victory was certain. That means they've attacked the Geth before this whole ordeal with creating new geth to test weapons on. Still a war crime, nothing can change that.

[Xilizhra]

I'll say it again. The canon story is the one relayed to us by the ME1 Codex, not that of a four panel cameo in a comic written by guys who seemed to have been barely familiar with the plot of the first game.

The codex also called Sovereign a geth ship. It's not omniscient. That which is revealed within it can be overridden later.

I simply believe that all of it has to be brought out and examined before there can be a lasting peace between quarians and the geth. The Geth will eventually find out about it. Better that the quarians acknowledge what they did wrong, and condemn it for the war crime that it was.

I'm actually not sure about this, for the same reason that Tali wasn't told about the Alarei attack for a while. If the geth saw that the quarians were genuinely shocked at the affair upon finding out about it, it might convince them that most quarians didn't, in fact, back the experiments.

[Iakus]

Umm, isn't this a thread about the VS?

Just askin'

[Quole]

ADLegend21 wrote...

That's because Tali's father died! if he's alive that's two of 5 with one having the potential to be swayed and my bets go to Shala siding with her life long friends. Plus, as Legion said the Quarians have attacked the Geth when they thought victory was certain. That means they've attacked the Geth before this whole ordeal with creating new geth to test weapons on. Still a war crime, nothing can change that.

Doesnt everyone do that in in war? Again, they dont know about the true geth. Perhaps if the geth actually tried communicating with them (or anyone else fr that matter), instead of letting the heretics be their only means of representation. You didnt read what I said, did you?

Modifié par Quole, 17 octobre 2011 - 04:20 .

[ADLegend21]

Quole wrote...

ADLegend21 wrote...

That's because Tali's father died! if he's alive that's two of 5 with one having the potential to be swayed and my bets go to Shala siding with her life long friends. Plus, as Legion said the Quarians have attacked the Geth when they thought victory was certain. That means they've attacked the Geth before this whole ordeal with creating new geth to test weapons on. Still a war crime, nothing can change that.

Doesnt everyone do that in in war? Again, they dont know about the true geth. Perhaps if the geth actually tried communicating with them (or anyone else fr that matter), instead of letting the heretics be their only means of representation. You didnt read my what I said, did you?

That's why they sent Legion, The geth have cleaned and restored rannoch and the quarians havne't returned so theys ent him to investigate organics and find Shepard once She defeats a reaper.  Also theyw ere at war with the true geth and they drove the quarians from Rannoch they also attacked the True geth on several occaisions which is how Legion knew tha statistic ass the heretics are not part of his network so they have been attacking true geth and Heretics.

[Quole]

ADLegend21 wrote...

Quole wrote...

ADLegend21 wrote...

That's because Tali's father died! if he's alive that's two of 5 with one having the potential to be swayed and my bets go to Shala siding with her life long friends. Plus, as Legion said the Quarians have attacked the Geth when they thought victory was certain. That means they've attacked the Geth before this whole ordeal with creating new geth to test weapons on. Still a war crime, nothing can change that.

Doesnt everyone do that in in war? Again, they dont know about the true geth. Perhaps if the geth actually tried communicating with them (or anyone else fr that matter), instead of letting the heretics be their only means of representation. You didnt read my what I said, did you?

That's why they sent Legion, The geth have cleaned and restored rannoch and the quarians havne't returned so theys ent him to investigate organics and find Shepard once She defeats a reaper.  Also theyw ere at war with the true geth and they drove the quarians from Rannoch they also attacked the True geth on several occaisions which is how Legion knew tha statistic ass the heretics are not part of his network so they have been attacking true geth and Heretics.

No... legion was sent to find shepard. He never attempted to contat the quarians. Quarians and everyone else have mostly faught heretics.

... do you even know what you are talking about?

Modifié par Quole, 17 octobre 2011 - 04:29 .

[ADLegend21]

Quole wrote...

ADLegend21 wrote...

Quole wrote...

ADLegend21 wrote...

That's because Tali's father died! if he's alive that's two of 5 with one having the potential to be swayed and my bets go to Shala siding with her life long friends. Plus, as Legion said the Quarians have attacked the Geth when they thought victory was certain. That means they've attacked the Geth before this whole ordeal with creating new geth to test weapons on. Still a war crime, nothing can change that.

Doesnt everyone do that in in war? Again, they dont know about the true geth. Perhaps if the geth actually tried communicating with them (or anyone else fr that matter), instead of letting the heretics be their only means of representation. You didnt read my what I said, did you?

That's why they sent Legion, The geth have cleaned and restored rannoch and the quarians havne't returned so theys ent him to investigate organics and find Shepard once She defeats a reaper.  Also theyw ere at war with the true geth and they drove the quarians from Rannoch they also attacked the True geth on several occaisions which is how Legion knew tha statistic ass the heretics are not part of his network so they have been attacking true geth and Heretics.

No... legion was sent to find shepard. He never attempted to contat the quarians. Quarians and everyone else have mostly faught heretics.

... do you even know what you are talking about?

I do, "We have watched you" "Me or organics" "both"

do YOU know what you're talking about?