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Garrus and Tali: Taking off and ditching your cause completely to deal with their own personal issues while leaving Ashley or Kaidan to be the sole voice of the whole "Reapers" issue. DEY GOT UR BACK GUISE!



Look.  Until you hear the real story from Ash or Kaidan you can assume everyone is an a-hole.

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Meh. Tali & Garrus helped save the galaxy. Nothing surmounts that, I don't give a damn what Keyden or Ash were doing.

Hell, Tali's willing to work with a Geth to do it and Garrus can sacrifice his one chance at revenge on the traitor that killed his squad for it. Better than a big "F*ck off!" from the VS.

First it's Kaidan, second Kaidan/Ash helped save the galaxy, Tali and Garrus helped Shepard save humanity from the Collectors. There's your diffrence. Thirdly, VS has every right to be mad at Sheard. What must they kiss your ass and bow on there knees to you like Tali and Garrus do? Throw there life away so they can follow Shepard and have no true personal goal? Sorry I rather the VS you know, have a life, not worship Shepard.

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Xilizhra wrote...

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ADLegend, while you can't do anything to make me hate you more than the OP, I'd appreciate it if you didn't try to make that no longer a reality by attacking squadmates who didn't introduce this argument.

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Calling Garrus a "quitter," various insinuations about how they did nothing important (except, well, help save the galaxy from the Collectors, and supply two of the three most vital ship upgrades while they were at it), and saying that the VS becoming a Spectre was a good idea from a story perspective.

Garrus is a quiter. That's not hate or bashing. That's the truth.

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still vaguely bemused by the idea that Ash and Kaidan are obligated to apologize to Shepard aabout something.

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First it's Kaidan, second Kaidan/Ash helped save the galaxy, Tali and Garrush elped Shepard save humanity from the Collectors. There's your diffrence. Thirdly, VS has every right to be mad at Sheard. What must they kiss your ass and bow on there knees to you like Tali and Garrus do? Throw there life away so they can follow Shepard and have no true personal goal? SOrry I rather the VS you know, have al ife, not worship Shepard.

Inapplicable. Tali and Garrus did just as much as Ashley and Kaidan.

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still vaguely bemused by the idea that Ash and Kaidan are obligated to apologize to Shepard aabout something.

If anything Shepard should apologize for acting like a moron when they met up with Ash/Kaidan in ME2.

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DoNotIngest wrote...

Meh. Tali & Garrus helped save the galaxy. Nothing surmounts that, I don't give a damn what Kaidan or Ash were doing.

Hell, Tali's willing to work with a Geth to do it and Garrus can sacrifice his one chance at revenge on the traitor that killed his squad for it. Better than a big "F*ck off!" from the VS.



EDIT: Shepard happens to be a Spectre, and does whatever the hell he wants, and isn't assigned "missions". Don't see him getting crap from the Council for it. And Tali basically walked off the job, I kind of doubt the Admiralty Board (Mainly her father) would have let her leave if she had gone back to the Fleet.

Spectres protect Council space. Thought that might involve Reaper minions. Guess personal vendettas trump duty.

It's not confirmed whenthe VS is made a Spectre so they could be under going their evaluation for spectre status,you know like how Nihlus was supposed to watch Shepard before She got inducted ot the Spectre's? that thing. you can't just walk away form that and hoe to be a Spectre. Legion also comes after Tali is on the ship what's she gonna say? "Shepard I'm going to abandon you because you brought a Geth that helped you onto the ship." not when she's being romanced I'll tell you that much. do you know how on fire the BSN would hav ebeen if Tali rolled on back the MF if tht happened? bioware's not dumb. Point isthe VS was too busy being a productive member of the galaxy to play merc in the terminus systems, they were mean to shepard because you know, terroists sponsored ship and all, so boo hoo you suck for having your own brain Ashley/Kaidan.Posted Image They're important and had other responsibilites like important people have.

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Look, all four team members add value to the game and helped Shepard. There's not some chart somewhere saying "this person helped 4% more than this person."

I am BAFFLED by the idea that liking certain squad members dictates that certainly OTHER squad members must be completely inadequate. I mean really?

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Xilizhra wrote...

First it's Kaidan, second Kaidan/Ash helped save the galaxy, Tali and Garrush elped Shepard save humanity from the Collectors. There's your diffrence. Thirdly, VS has every right to be mad at Sheard. What must they kiss your ass and bow on there knees to you like Tali and Garrus do? Throw there life away so they can follow Shepard and have no true personal goal? SOrry I rather the VS you know, have al ife, not worship Shepard.

Inapplicable. Tali and Garrus did just as much as Ashley and Kaidan.

Not really. Tali and Garrus just sat in the Normandy the whole time while Kaidan, Ash, Liara and Wrex worked there ass of in ME. Once Shepard got evidence Tali just sits in the engine room and does nothing, samething with Garrus. They just took up room while the real heroes where with Shepard and who do I get in ME2. Tow peopel who did nothing in ME and worse I'm forced to have them on my team, <_<

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Mr.House wrote...

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First it's Kaidan, second Kaidan/Ash helped save the galaxy, Tali and Garrush elped Shepard save humanity from the Collectors. There's your diffrence. Thirdly, VS has every right to be mad at Sheard. What must they kiss your ass and bow on there knees to you like Tali and Garrus do? Throw there life away so they can follow Shepard and have no true personal goal? SOrry I rather the VS you know, have al ife, not worship Shepard.

Inapplicable. Tali and Garrus did just as much as Ashley and Kaidan.

Not really. Tali and Garrus just sat in the Normandy the whole time while Kaidan, Ash, Liara and Wrex worked there ass of in ME. Once Shepard got evidence Tali just sits in the engine room and does nothing, samething with Garrus. They just took up room while the real heroes where with Shepard and who do I get in ME2. Tow peopel who did nothing in ME2 and worse I'm forced to have them on my team, <_<

We must have played different games. Tali was on my team nearly forever the instant she joined, and Garrus... well, considering all the crashing I did in the Mako, Garrus keeping it up to snuff must have been helping me. Then there was the Saleon thing.

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Xilizhra wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

First it's Kaidan, second Kaidan/Ash helped save the galaxy, Tali and Garrush elped Shepard save humanity from the Collectors. There's your diffrence. Thirdly, VS has every right to be mad at Sheard. What must they kiss your ass and bow on there knees to you like Tali and Garrus do? Throw there life away so they can follow Shepard and have no true personal goal? SOrry I rather the VS you know, have al ife, not worship Shepard.

Inapplicable. Tali and Garrus did just as much as Ashley and Kaidan.

Not really. Tali and Garrus just sat in the Normandy the whole time while Kaidan, Ash, Liara and Wrex worked there ass of in ME. Once Shepard got evidence Tali just sits in the engine room and does nothing, samething with Garrus. They just took up room while the real heroes where with Shepard and who do I get in ME2. Tow peopel who did nothing in ME2 and worse I'm forced to have them on my team, <_<

We must have played different games. Tali was on my team nearly forever the instant she joined, and Garrus... well, considering all the crashing I did in the Mako, Garrus keeping it up to snuff must have been helping me. Then there was the Saleon thing.

You mean the two minutes that Garrus came off the ship to do a personal matter? Last time I checked they sat in the ship while Ash, Liara and Wrex almost died on Virmire, Kaidan died on Virmire. Kaidan is a hero, Ash is a true friend and her anger makes sense. Hopefully in ME3 we will have a chance to make up for it unless Bioware pulls more bs.

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Mr.House wrote...

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First it's Kaidan, second Kaidan/Ash helped save the galaxy, Tali and Garrush elped Shepard save humanity from the Collectors. There's your diffrence. Thirdly, VS has every right to be mad at Sheard. What must they kiss your ass and bow on there knees to you like Tali and Garrus do? Throw there life away so they can follow Shepard and have no true personal goal? SOrry I rather the VS you know, have al ife, not worship Shepard.

Inapplicable. Tali and Garrus did just as much as Ashley and Kaidan.

Not really. Tali and Garrus just sat in the Normandy the whole time while Kaidan, Ash, Liara and Wrex worked there ass of in ME. Once Shepard got evidence Tali just sits in the engine room and does nothing, samething with Garrus. They just took up room while the real heroes where with Shepard and who do I get in ME2. Tow peopel who did nothing in ME and worse I'm forced to have them on my team, <_<




Not anyone else's problem that your poor judgement caused you to leave the two best characters at home. As Bioware clearly tried to get through your head.


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Xili doesn't understand that a mere alien could never contribute as much as a human.

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Xilizhra wrote...

ADLegend21 wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

ADLegend, while you can't do anything to make me hate you more than the OP, I'd appreciate it if you didn't try to make that no longer a reality by attacking squadmates who didn't introduce this argument.

Attack? Tell me one thingI said that isn't true? Though the hate's appreciated, love ya XilPosted Image

Calling Garrus a "quitter," various insinuations about how they did nothing important (except, well, help save the galaxy from the Collectors, and supply two of the three most vital ship upgrades while they were at it), and saying that the VS becoming a Spectre was a good idea from a story perspective.

Let see:

"I quit C-Sec because I got sick of the Red tape, let me join you"

"I quit C-Sec becasue I got fed up with all the bueracratic crap so I came to Omega"

I could forgive him, like I forgive Jacob, if he'd done something to stop the reapers, but he went wher he was his own boss to fulfill his own selfish desires. He's a quitter, there's no way around it.

Whileit may have sounded that way, they did help save the human colonies from attacking, though in the massive picture of things all the collector was more info on who we're dealing with and it starts the war since HArbinger now takes Shepard seriously. Hell Shepard did most of the work alone in Arrival since that stops the Invasion for a few months.

Their LM's are pointless in the grand scheme. In tali's you kill geth and discover her dads a war criminal, but you can't tell anyone or she'll be pissed at you, andin garrus' you either kill or spare some nobody Turian that outed garrus to save his own ass, which is like brathing on omega.

the VS however is now a certified badass Spectre and has probably saved countless lives by themselves and has council authority to do whatever the hell they please until the council says otherwise. which is ahell of a lot more impressive than riding Shepard's coattails once again to the point where the shadow Broker Yahg goes all fleetwood mac and tells garrus to go his own way.

That is all 100% true and in no way has anything personal behind it because in fact, I love all four characters and want them to be as awesome as they can possbly be and two of them are already doing that....andif you needed to guess, they're both human.

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DoNotIngest wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

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First it's Kaidan, second Kaidan/Ash helped save the galaxy, Tali and Garrush elped Shepard save humanity from the Collectors. There's your diffrence. Thirdly, VS has every right to be mad at Sheard. What must they kiss your ass and bow on there knees to you like Tali and Garrus do? Throw there life away so they can follow Shepard and have no true personal goal? SOrry I rather the VS you know, have al ife, not worship Shepard.

Inapplicable. Tali and Garrus did just as much as Ashley and Kaidan.

Not really. Tali and Garrus just sat in the Normandy the whole time while Kaidan, Ash, Liara and Wrex worked there ass of in ME. Once Shepard got evidence Tali just sits in the engine room and does nothing, samething with Garrus. They just took up room while the real heroes where with Shepard and who do I get in ME2. Tow peopel who did nothing in ME and worse I'm forced to have them on my team, <_<




Not anyone else's problem that your poor judgement caused you to leave the two best characters at home. As Bioware clearly tried to get through your head.


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If they really where the best they would have been intresting and I would have cared for them -_-

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You mean the two minutes that Garrus came off the ship to do a personal matter? Last time I checked they sat in the ship while Ash, Liara and Wrex almost died on Virmire, Kaidan died on Virmire. Kaidan is a hero, Ash is a true friend and her anger makes sense. Hopefully in ME3 we will have a chance to make up for it unless Bioware pulls more bs.

Wrex only almost died because he almost attacked me. And Tali also almost died on the Citadel. Though I don't see how it matters that much; in the end, they all had their roles to play. I just disliked you attacking them.

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Seriously what is this? Some Twilight sh*t? Are we gonna have "Team Garrus" and "Team Kaidan" T-shirts now? If so, I quit this fandom.

You cannot possibly quantify the contributions that any of these characters made because its different for everyone. I'm positive that Bioware never intended for you to dislike another character because you like another one. That's so stupid I could spit.

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Don't we already have a thread for VS talk?

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Xilizhra wrote...

You mean the two minutes that Garrus came off the ship to do a personal matter? Last time I checked they sat in the ship while Ash, Liara and Wrex almost died on Virmire, Kaidan died on Virmire. Kaidan is a hero, Ash is a true friend and her anger makes sense. Hopefully in ME3 we will have a chance to make up for it unless Bioware pulls more bs.

Wrex only almost died because he almost attacked me. And Tali also almost died on the Citadel. Though I don't see how it matters that much; in the end, they all had their roles to play. I just disliked you attacking them.

I'm not attacking them, it's called having an opinion.Tali and Garrus had there spotlight and after that they where largly useless, nor do I like the fact that people want to force the Garrus and Talik are your true friend bs.

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DoNotIngest wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...


First it's Kaidan, second Kaidan/Ash helped save the galaxy, Tali and Garrush elped Shepard save humanity from the Collectors. There's your diffrence. Thirdly, VS has every right to be mad at Sheard. What must they kiss your ass and bow on there knees to you like Tali and Garrus do? Throw there life away so they can follow Shepard and have no true personal goal? SOrry I rather the VS you know, have al ife, not worship Shepard.

Inapplicable. Tali and Garrus did just as much as Ashley and Kaidan.

Not really. Tali and Garrus just sat in the Normandy the whole time while Kaidan, Ash, Liara and Wrex worked there ass of in ME. Once Shepard got evidence Tali just sits in the engine room and does nothing, samething with Garrus. They just took up room while the real heroes where with Shepard and who do I get in ME2. Tow peopel who did nothing in ME and worse I'm forced to have them on my team, <_<




Not anyone else's problem that your poor judgement caused you to leave the two best characters at home. As Bioware clearly tried to get through your head.


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Wrex is more mature, Liara is more relevant to the main plot of ME1, and Ashley and Kaidan were my favorite characters, for their personalities, but also because of their skillsets.  I lost nothing in ME1 by never taking Tali anywhere, and only bringing Garrus to the Dr Heart mission.  Not saying I hate them, but they weren't as useful or fun to bring along as the others, in my personal experience.  If Bioware really wanted to "force" these two on us, they really didn't try very hard.  

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Badpie wrote...

Seriously what is this? Some Twilight sh*t? Are we gonna have "Team Garrus" and "Team Kaidan" T-shirts now? If so, I quit this fandom.

You cannot possibly quantify the contributions that any of these characters made because its different for everyone. I'm positive that Bioware never intended for you to dislike another character because you like another one. That's so stupid I could spit.

Can we have a team Ash too :wizard:

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Badpie wrote...

Seriously what is this? Some Twilight sh*t? Are we gonna have "Team Garrus" and "Team Kaidan" T-shirts now? If so, I quit this fandom.

You cannot possibly quantify the contributions that any of these characters made because its different for everyone. I'm positive that Bioware never intended for you to dislike another character because you like another one. That's so stupid I could spit.


Here here!

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Mr.House wrote...

Badpie wrote...

Seriously what is this? Some Twilight sh*t? Are we gonna have "Team Garrus" and "Team Kaidan" T-shirts now? If so, I quit this fandom.

You cannot possibly quantify the contributions that any of these characters made because its different for everyone. I'm positive that Bioware never intended for you to dislike another character because you like another one. That's so stupid I could spit.

Can we have a team Ash too :wizard:


NO!

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still vaguely bemused by the idea that Ash and Kaidan are obligated to apologize to Shepard aabout something.

If anything Shepard should apologize for acting like a moron when they met up with Ash/Kaidan in ME2.

Not really. It works both ways. Neither party is obligated to apologize.