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[Mr.House]

Badpie wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

Badpie wrote...

Seriously what is this? Some Twilight sh*t? Are we gonna have "Team Garrus" and "Team Kaidan" T-shirts now? If so, I quit this fandom.

You cannot possibly quantify the contributions that any of these characters made because its different for everyone. I'm positive that Bioware never intended for you to dislike another character because you like another one. That's so stupid I could spit.

Can we have a team Ash too

NO!

[Fiery Phoenix]

I want to have a chat with the OP once we've both played ME3.

[meonlyred]

Did anyone ever stop and think, 'hey wait a minute, Bioware must have written these characters this way to inspire high emotions from us!"? Listening to everyone **** and moan saying 'my favorite character is better than your favorite character is really getting old.' Grow up and enjoy the show people, really.

I for one like all the character for their flaws and actions. There is not a single character that I actually hate. Because its a damn game, a story set to entertain us. If there was no drama between characters these games wouldn't be engaging. I wouldn't have teared up on Horizon when the VS called my Shepard a traitor for working for a black ops group that kills and murders for their own gain. I wouldn't have cheered listening to Shepard give a passionate speech to keep Tali from being exiled. I wouldn't have been worried as I watched Garrus sink deeper into his need for vengeance.

What do you want? For everyone to bow and bend knee to the almighty Shepard? Or do you want a story about the struggle of a group of people as they try to save the galaxy? If you want the latter than there will be arguments and there will be disagreements. And there will be freaking drama.

Step back for once and see the story as a whole, not your own self important views.

[Siansonea]

Fixed. /thread

[Iakus]

jreezy wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

Pups_of_war_76 wrote...

still vaguely bemused by the idea that Ash and Kaidan are obligated to apologize to Shepard aabout something.

If anything Shepard should apologize for acting like a moron when they met up with Ash/Kaidan in ME2.

Not really. It works both ways. Neither party is obligated to apologize.

This is why I think the apology should come from Bioware in general The whole frakking scene is one big screwup. 

[Badpie]

meonlyred wrote...

Did anyone ever stop and think, 'hey wait a minute, Bioware must have written these characters this way to inspire high emotions from us!"? Listening to everyone **** and moan saying 'my favorite character is better than your favorite character is really getting old.' Grow up and enjoy the show people, really.

I for one like all the character for their flaws and actions. There is not a single character that I actually hate. Because its a damn game, a story set to entertain us. If there was no drama between characters these games wouldn't be engaging. I wouldn't have teared up on Horizon when the VS called my Shepard a traitor for working for a black ops group that kills and murders for their own gain. I wouldn't have cheered listening to Shepard give a passionate speech to keep Tali from being exiled. I wouldn't have been worried as I watched Garrus sink deeper into his need for vengeance.

What do you want? For everyone to bow and bend knee to the almighty Shepard? Or do you want a story about the struggle of a group of people as they try to save the galaxy? If you want the latter than there will be arguments and there will be disagreements. And there will be freaking drama.

Step back for once and see the story as a whole, not your own self important views.

Well said!

[Fiery Phoenix]

Siansonea II wrote...



Fixed. /thread

Way to go, ma'am!

[Cypher0020]

Ok... I do really like the fanart

Also... bout Horizon and Shep... I think both the VS and Shep suffered from herp derp syndrome....hopefully they'll get the treatment they need in ME3

[ADLegend21]

Siansonea II wrote...



Fixed. /thread

Pretty much this, I can't tell you how many of my Shepard's tell Tali's she's out right wrong about the Geth in ME1 only for her to be all over them with love and affection in ME2.

[Xilizhra]

Siansonea II wrote...



Fixed. /thread

Is it not possible for the attacked party to avoid attacking back and making themselves look steadily worse?

[AdmiralCheez]

*peeks in thread*

Are we done character bashing yet?

*reads*

Guess not.

*goes to bed*

Modifié par AdmiralCheez, 06 octobre 2011 - 05:03 .

[ADLegend21]

How doe sthat attack them? Tali leaves her government to hop on the Normandy no matter how badly you treat her. Garrus leaves Omega to run along with Shepard no matter how you may paragon or renegade him. That's completely factual, there's no denying that.

[Pacifien]

LiveLoveThaneKrios wrote...
But Shepard has to save a galaxy from the Reapers. Not contacting everyone and telling them your back.

No, I always felt Shepard *really* needed to contact everyone and tell them he's back. That's why I went to the Citadel first thing during my first playthrough only to discover the Council had already written me off as a Cerberus traitor. What the ****, Council, I haven't even *done* anything with Cerberus yet other than *bring you their ship*!

I never had a problem with how Kaidan or Ashley responded because, honestly, **** you, Shepard! And call your mother!

[Badpie]

My point here is this: Garrus, Tali, Ash, Kaidan - ALL AWESOME. Why do they have to mutually exclusive? They ALL have MAJOR FLAWS.

[AdmiralCheez]

Badpie wrote...

My point here is this: Garrus, Tali, Ash, Kaidan - ALL AWESOME. Why do they have to mutually exclusive? They ALL have MAJOR FLAWS.

Because not everyone is as cool and smart and sexy as the two of us.  They just don't operate on our level.  We're enlightened, they're not.  We see an interesting cast, they see a competition.

[ADLegend21]

Pacifien wrote...

LiveLoveThaneKrios wrote...
But Shepard has to save a galaxy from the Reapers. Not contacting everyone and telling them your back.

No, I always felt Shepard *really* needed to contact everyone and tell them he's back. That's why I went to the Citadel first thing during my first playthrough only to discover the Council had already written me off as a Cerberus traitor. What the ****, Council, I haven't even *done* anything with Cerberus yet other than *bring you their ship*!

I never had a problem with how Kaidan or Ashley responded because, honestly, **** you, Shepard! And call your mother!

This! Hannah Shep was pissed in her email. I wanted some sort of reunion with her for Spacer Shep so she could smack her/him then hug them crying.

[ADLegend21]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

Badpie wrote...

My point here is this: Garrus, Tali, Ash, Kaidan - ALL AWESOME. Why do they have to mutually exclusive? They ALL have MAJOR FLAWS.

Because not everyone is as cool and smart and sexy as the two of us.  They just don't operate on our level.  We're enlightened, they're not.  We see an interesting cast, they see a competition.

Hey now, I've already stated that I love all the characters (except Zaeed cuz, f*ck that guy right?) It'sjust that I hate that "oh ali and garrus are the REAL best friends cuz they don't get mad at Shepard" that's a double edged sword bro, they're terrorists too and I need them to back me up on the reaper thing. Not good.

[DoNotIngest]

Meh, I don't see the relevance of the boring, headache prone whiner or the xenophobe wannabe poet that you're saddled with first thing, but to each their own, I guess. Now what makes them so important after originally being auto-slapped into the Normandy and not really affecting anything beyond that, and then abandoning Shep in ME2, I don't know.


Even if they do become Spectres in ME3, apparently they're still following Shepard around, if they're in the Normandy. So they've achieved helping him in ME1, though not being plot-relevant, still helping; Ditched him in ME2; And provided redundant backup Spectre support in ME3. Cool.

Whereas Tali is the sole reason Shepard becomes a Spectre and gets command of the Normandy in the first place, while she and Garrus stay with Shepard rather than, oh, I don't know, trying to enlist in the Alliance military to make redundant favourable human-military history for Shep's cause, and help him *NOT* die on his suicidal mission, thus saving the galaxy.

Quarian testimony to peacefully working with a Geth *may* just prove helpful in ME3; I don't know, I didn't make the rules. The Rebel Turian is probably still just Shepard's constant companion, but no shame in that, there were only ever two.

I wonder what's going to make Ash/Keydin so special in ME3? They're the newly formed Super Spectres, with the abilities too... I don't know, operate even higher above the law than Shepard? Or are they somehow essential to saving Shepard with Joker and EDI (Plus Vega) already onboard and actually flying? I suppose someone had to take up even more room on the cargo ramp and greet Shepard when he jumped on it. Ah well.

[Badpie]

Pacifien wrote...

I never had a problem with how Kaidan or Ashley responded because, honestly, **** you, Shepard! And call your mother!

LMAO!  RIGHT?!

Shepard is a D*CK!

[DoNotIngest]

ADLegend21 wrote...

AdmiralCheez wrote...

Badpie wrote...

My point here is this: Garrus, Tali, Ash, Kaidan - ALL AWESOME. Why do they have to mutually exclusive? They ALL have MAJOR FLAWS.

Because not everyone is as cool and smart and sexy as the two of us.  They just don't operate on our level.  We're enlightened, they're not.  We see an interesting cast, they see a competition.

Hey now, I've already stated that I love all the characters (except Zaeed cuz, f*ck that guy right?) It'sjust that I hate that "oh ali and garrus are the REAL best friends cuz they don't get mad at Shepard" that's a double edged sword bro, they're terrorists too and I need them to back me up on the reaper thing. Not good.

Wanna restate that? Sounds like you're saying Tali & Garrus are terrorists by association, which isn't good because you need Tali and Garrus to back you up on the Reapers. Mmk?



And I just like providing counterflaming to the few all-too-vocal Ash/Keydin fanatics, who feel the urge to bash anyone else contesting their characters. Gives me something to do in between chapters.

[ADLegend21]

DoNotIngest wrote...

ADLegend21 wrote...

AdmiralCheez wrote...

Badpie wrote...

My point here is this: Garrus, Tali, Ash, Kaidan - ALL AWESOME. Why do they have to mutually exclusive? They ALL have MAJOR FLAWS.

Because not everyone is as cool and smart and sexy as the two of us.  They just don't operate on our level.  We're enlightened, they're not.  We see an interesting cast, they see a competition.

Hey now, I've already stated that I love all the characters (except Zaeed cuz, f*ck that guy right?) It'sjust that I hate that "oh ali and garrus are the REAL best friends cuz they don't get mad at Shepard" that's a double edged sword bro, they're terrorists too and I need them to back me up on the reaper thing. Not good.

Wanna restate that? Sounds like you're saying Tali & Garrus are terrorists by association, which isn't good because you need Tali and Garrus to back you up on the Reapers. Mmk?



And I just like providing counterflaming to the few all-too-vocal Ash/Keydin fanatics, who feel the urge to bash anyone else contesting their characters. Gives me something to do in between chapters.

Dude, purposely mispelling a character to make peole mad IS flaming.

also Shepard is a terroists being affiliated with cerberus. They're with Shepard. so yes they are terroists by association for serving on a terroist Ship. When they step up to bat for Shepard to the authoriites they'llbe labeled as terroists and their words will fall upon deaf ears thus proving that their help is useless as they chose to serve on a terroist ship, especially after the events of arrival with the destruction of the Bahak system.

[AdmiralCheez]

ADLegend21 wrote...

Hey now, I've already stated that I love all the characters (except Zaeed cuz, f*ck that guy right?) It'sjust that I hate that "oh ali and garrus are the REAL best friends cuz they don't get mad at Shepard" that's a double edged sword bro, they're terrorists too and I need them to back me up on the reaper thing. Not good.

Yeah I know.

"You got arrested, too?"

"Well, uh, we figured we'd stick it out with you 'til the end, Commander."

"YOU GUYS.  GOD DAMN IT.  YOU'RE LIKE SHEEP."

"You love us."

"Only for your body, Garrus.  Now shut it."

But honestly, I think the whole TALI AND GARRUS ARE BETTER FRIENDS thing is stupid, because what makes a character "better" is entirely subjective.  Yes, I feel that Team Dextro deserve points for being the most loyal, but I also don't hate the VS for not dropping everything and joining up.  Their suspicion is as valid as Dextro's trust, in my opinion, and that's because those characters each have a different set of values.

However, certain things, like Team Dextro pretty much loving you no matter what and Kaidan and Ashley fusing into one character, irk me to no end, but I think that's more a writing oversight than a character flaw.

[Iakus]

DoNotIngest wrote...

Meh, I don't see the relevance of the boring, headache prone whiner or the xenophobe wannabe poet that you're saddled with first thing, but to each their own, I guess. Now what makes them so important after originally being auto-slapped into the Normandy and not really affecting anything beyond that, and then abandoning Shep in ME2, I don't know.

Guess we're not done bashing characters, huh?

[DoNotIngest]

Considering at Shepard's trial, that he didn't just follow the VS out to the Normandy, he ran off randomly with Admiral Anderson and met the Normandy somewhere along the way, I doubt they'll be speaking up for them. Which is one of the only ways their Spectre status would have helped, actually.

And Shepard's a Spectre. He escapes with the help of... Well, Joker & EDI, and nobody else except Anderson (Who's likely not much help, TBH). Vega and the VS just get to stand on the ramp looking fancy and saying hello.

Being said Spectre, after he's back in his ship, he can do f*ckall. Especially because nobody's going to be in any position to say "Wait, but you worked with Cerberus at one point, yes?" When their homeworlds are burning around them.



EDIT: Meh, when I feel provoked. Not good to bottle up feelings, much better to sit back, sip your drink and let your flaming fingers fly freely. Fiddlesticks.

Modifié par DoNotIngest, 06 octobre 2011 - 05:23 .