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[ShadowLordXII]

So it's shown and stated that the children of human-elf relations will be pretty much human in appearance, but what about on the inside?

In DAII, Fenynriel apparently has trouble fitting in sense, apart from being a mage, he's also "too human to be elven and too elven to be human" which shows that even with the adaptability of elven blood, there's still enough differences to tell him apart from a fully human child.

What happens if Fenyriel finds an elven lover and they have a child?  Will the child still appear human or actually look more elven than human because they have more elven blood than human.  If it were the latter, then it would be a matter of simple genetics.

Another related thought:

Finally, is it possible that the vast majority of elves in Thedas, given the history of slavery, poverty and oppression that they have had since Arlathan's fall, are actually half-elves themselves? 

I know this is going deep into Nerdspeak, but according to D&D lore, half-elves who mate with humans and elves will have that child end up as pretty much humans or elves.  Which made me wonder if generations of "oppression" by humans has muddled the elven gene pool so much that the only ones who could be considered true elves are a small minority amongst the Dalish and everyone else is really just a stable human/elf hybrid race.

Thoughts?

Modifié par ShadowLordXII, 06 octobre 2011 - 05:18 .

[GodWood]

I always figured the "too elven to be human" line was in relation to his upbringing in an alienage.
Meaning his identity/culture is more elven than it is human.

[jamesp81]

I think that the game makes it pretty clear that the children of elves and humans are humans, just with elven-like features. I don't think the current crop of elves are a stable hybrid if the in-game lore is to be believed.

Keep in mind something else Feynriel said. If you send him to the Dalish, he comments how he thought that everyone could tell he had an elven mother by his face, but now that he's among the dalish, he realizes how easily he passed among humans.

[Augustei]

There's not always a difference in appearance or even a struggle fitting in, Alistair seemed to do fine and he is a half-elf

[TEWR]

XxDeonxX wrote...

There's not always a difference in appearance or even a struggle fitting in, Alistair seemed to do fine and he is a half-elf

People believe he's a half-elf because it makes sense given everything, but we don't really know. Maric could've been like King Robert Baratheon, constantly whoring himself around and siring children everywhere.

We do know that Slim Couldry is a half-elf since he says he lived in the Alienage and the money goes to help his people, and Slim wasn't exactly slim. Then again, we don't know how much elven-human blood flows through his veins.

[Andraste_Reborn]

Alistair seemed to do fine and he is a half-elf

Maybe .

A definite example, though, is Slim Coudry from DAO. He's a half-elven but looks completely human.

ETA: Ninja'ed!

Modifié par Andrastee, 06 octobre 2011 - 07:28 .

[Dave of Canada]

XxDeonxX wrote...

Alistair seemed to do fine and he is a half-elf

Other than it all being assumption, there's also this codex entry which threw some wrenches into the gears and inspired new theories.

Duncan became Ferelden's Commander of the Grey in 9:10 Dragon, assuming the mantle from Commander Polara, under whom he had served since the order's restoration in Ferelden.

Polara, who hailed from Antiva, had built an amiable relationship with King Cailan. She overcame many of the objections of Teyrn Loghain, who had argued strenuously against the order returning - after all, the Wardens had attempted to overthrow the Ferelden throne centuries before.

When Polara disappeared - perhaps recalled to Weisshaupt, although none in Ferelden saw her leave, nor have seen her since - Duncan bequeathed to her son a silverite axe of great value. Duncan said he had wielded it and a twin in younger days, back when he had been a far different man. He'd named the axe "Fiona" after a Warden who inspired him, and suggested that the son ought to take similar inspiration from his mother.

It's unknown what became of Polara's son, other than that he fled Ferelden during the same Blight in which Duncan perished.

Modifié par Dave of Canada, 06 octobre 2011 - 07:34 .

[Urzon]

Dave of Canada wrote...

Duncan became Ferelden's Commander of the Grey in 9:10 Dragon, assuming the mantle from Commander Polara, under whom he had served since the order's restoration in Ferelden.

Polara, who hailed from Antiva, had built an amiable relationship with King Cailan. She overcame many of the objections of Teyrn Loghain, who had argued strenuously against the order returning - after all, the Wardens had attempted to overthrow the Ferelden throne centuries before.

When Polara disappeared - perhaps recalled to Weisshaupt, although none in Ferelden saw her leave, nor have seen her since - Duncan bequeathed to her son a silverite axe of great value. Duncan said he had wielded it and a twin in younger days, back when he had been a far different man. He'd named the axe "Fiona" after a Warden who inspired him, and suggested that the son ought to take similar inspiration from his mother.

It's unknown what became of Polara's son, other than that he fled Ferelden during the same Blight in which Duncan perished.

Unless Polara adopted Maric's son, it doesn't put to many wretches in the theory. All i got out of reading that was, Duncun told Polara's son he should look up to her (Polara) because she was a good warden. Just like Duncun looked up to Fiona, because she was a good warden and role model.

But since Hawke got his hands on the axe, I'm guessing that the son either: died, it got stolen, or he sold it. Obviously he didn't get inspired enough.

Modifié par Urzon, 06 octobre 2011 - 08:51 .

[Dave of Canada]

Duncan was watching over Fiona's son who was to be lied about his heritage, the axe is named Fiona and was given by Duncan to the boy.

Makes more sense than Duncan stumbling upon Templar-in-training Alistair while Duncan was supposed to be overseeing the child.

[Urzon]

Dave of Canada wrote...

Duncan was watching over Fiona's son who was to be lied about his heritage, the axe is named Fiona and was given by Duncan to the boy.

Makes more sense than Duncan stumbling upon Templar-in-training Alistair while Duncan was supposed to be overseeing the child.

Yes, but i thought Maric only got the child from Fiona after Duncun got made Warden Commander. He could have giving the axe to the infant, but i doubt it would understand the whole "get inspiration from your mother" speech.

on a side note....

Polara is yet another person that mysteriously "disappeared" in Ferelden.

Modifié par Urzon, 06 octobre 2011 - 09:30 .

[Andraste_Reborn]

Polara is yet another person that mysteriously "disappeared" in Ferelden.

I don't think this one is very mysterious - she's a Warden, senior enough to be local Commander of the Grey. In all probability she headed off to her Calling.

[Urzon]

Andrastee wrote...

Polara is yet another person that mysteriously "disappeared" in Ferelden.

I don't think this one is very mysterious - she's a Warden, senior enough to be local Commander of the Grey. In all probability she headed off to her Calling.

Most likely.
 
It depends on if the "none in Ferelden saw her leave" parts counts the Grey Wardens or not. I forgot if the Calling was public knowledge or not. I remember that the dwarves know about it since they go to Orzammar, but i forgot if the people in upper Thedas know about it. Even if they didn't know about, I would think the remaining Grey Wardens would have came up with more of a cover story than "prehaps she went to Weisshaupt". Even more so if no one saw her leave.

Modifié par Urzon, 06 octobre 2011 - 10:38 .

[Bananamonkey86]

Think a lot of the confusion came from the Calling Book, even though it convinces a lot of people that the child of Fiona and Maric is Alistair but until David Gaiden can give us an insight to who is this childs name then we can only speculate. The same being what was the secret that Flemeth told Maric when he was in the wilds

[BillWatson08]

There was even some speculation that they sharred more than a secret. That Maric and Flemeth had a child and it was Morrigan.

[Lazy Jer]

Hmmm....well I have two theorys:

(1) Gene Theory: This theory (which I'm stealing from how I felt D&D should have handled half-elfs, BTW) is that half-elf children have a gene from each parent. an E gene from the elf and an H gene from the human.  If we assume both genes are dominent then we can assume that if Fen with his (H, E) gene set, hooks up with an elf chick with her (E, E) set, then we can assume that a child born of the two has a 50% chance of being born an elf and a 50% chance of being born a human.

(2) Second Gene Theory: This theory is a bit more complex as it doesn't assume that there is a specific gene that makes you human or elf.  That being said then it must mean that Fen's very human  appearance means that most of the human characteristic genes are dominent while most of the elf characteristic genes are recessive, or that in Fen's case he just happens to look a lot more like his father then his mother.  In which case either Fen's kid with an elf chick would either continue to show many of his dominent human charactistic genes or that their kid would have a greater chance of carrying the elf characteristic genes.

Anyway that's the best I can figure it.

[Lilunebrium]

BillWatson08 wrote...

There was even some speculation that they sharred more than a secret. That Maric and Flemeth had a child and it was Morrigan.

...And here I thought the Dark Ritual couldn't get more disturbing.