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[111987]

galligaro wrote...

111987 wrote...

galligaro wrote...

They just can't abandon the pc all together with the titles like Mass effect since they would have all the crying fanboys at their doorsteps unfortunately 90% of those pirated the game.

90%, really? Can you show me where you got that staggering number?

http://www.eurogamer...-really-article

http://arstechnica.c...mnesty-sale.ars

Neither of those articles have anything to do with Mass effect 1 or 2. You took a statisic from one game and applied it to a totally separate game. That simply will not do.

[galligaro]

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

111987 wrote...

galligaro wrote...

They just can't abandon the pc all together with the titles like Mass effect since they would have all the crying fanboys at their doorsteps unfortunately 90% of those pirated the game.

90%, really? Can you show me where you got that staggering number?

I'll give you a hint: It's dark and filled with E.coli

Here another link for you.

http://arstechnica.c...ate-near-90.ars

But thanks for contributing to this thread. Even if your comments are really stupid and childish...

[Gh0st_00]

Ah yes, 'piracy.'
We have dismissed that claim.

[Shadow Over Water]

First, Bioware wouldn't be where they are if they hadn't developed games for PC.

Second, your assertion that players that have a PC and a console play only on the console is flawed. Personnaly i have a PS3 and a PC, i play exclusively on the PC. Why ? the PS3 was the cheapest blu ray player when it came out.

Thirdly, when you say they would "save on development", while it is true, I don't think it represents as much as you think. Platform-specific code does not represent the majority of the code of the game. Coding on PS3 for example represent a significant investment in time comparing to PC (as the code on PC and XBox is relatively close).

Finally, Show us the sources of your numbers for retail and digital sales for the mass effect series on PC or the pirated copies, then we will see if you are even close to the truth.

Edit : a little more clarity.

Modifié par Shadow Over Water, 07 octobre 2011 - 06:11 .

[galligaro]

111987 wrote...

galligaro wrote...

111987 wrote...

galligaro wrote...

They just can't abandon the pc all together with the titles like Mass effect since they would have all the crying fanboys at their doorsteps unfortunately 90% of those pirated the game.

90%, really? Can you show me where you got that staggering number?

http://www.eurogamer...-really-article

http://arstechnica.c...mnesty-sale.ars

Neither of those articles have anything to do with Mass effect 1 or 2. You took a statisic from one game and applied it to a totally separate game. That simply will not do.

Oh sorry if I would have known you would simply shrug it a side by saying that "well they are not saying that about mass effect" i would not have bothered to answer. Ofcourse in your mind by some miracle mass effect is not affected by piracy like every other pc game that is single player focused. Actaully if it was pirated over 3 million times.

http://torrentfreak....of-2010-101228/

And it sold 180K retail + another 180K digital if it is even the 50%. The 180K digital is the only number you can go cry about. Also the 3 million pirated copies is way bigger today but i let it slide. so what does that make? About 11-12% of legimate buyers?

[111987]

galligaro wrote...


Oh sorry if I would have known you would simply shrug it a side by saying that "well they are not saying that about mass effect" i would not have bothered to answer. Ofcourse in your mind by some miracle mass effect is not affected by piracy like every other pc game that is single player focused. Actaully if it was pirated over 3 million times.

http://torrentfreak....of-2010-101228/

And it sold 180K retail + another 180K digital if it is even the 50%. The 180K digital is the only number you can go cry about. Also the 3 million pirated copies is way bigger today but i let it slide. so what does that make? About 11-12% of legimate buyers?

You are once again comparing statistics from one game to another; you can't just do that.

Mass Effect 1 and 2 have definitley been pirated. I don't dispute that. What I dispute is you throwing out numbers with no basis as if they are facts.

[Chala]

I...
CAN'T....
AVOID...
FEEDING THE TROLL!!!

Pc sales are fine (Even more if you count the digital purchases), also if you want to make money, you have to put your game in every possible platforms.

[galligaro]

Shadow Over Water wrote...

First, Bioware wouldn't be where they are if they hadn't developed games for PC.

Second, your assertion that players that have a PC and a console play only on the console is flawed. Personnaly i have a PS3 and a PC, i play exclusively on the PC. Why ? the PS3 was the cheapest blu ray player when it came out.

Thirdly, when you say they would "save on development", while it is true, I don't think it represents as much as you think. Platform-specific code does not represent the majority of the code of the game. Coding on PS3 for example represent a significant investment in time comparing to PC (as the code on PC and XBox is relatively close).

Finally, Show us the sources of your numbers for retail and digital sales for the mass effect series on PC or the pirated copies, then we will see if you are even close to the truth.

Edit : a little more clarity.

Thanks for the first real answer and not just getting butthurt and screaming troll like 90% of these people here.

Fist: They are a business and they should make money. Sure they started on pc but you have to move with the times before the times move you. Also there are ton and ton of gamers that have migrated to consoles. I being one of them so every single of my friends. We have finished baldursgate 2 multiple times but don't bother with pc anymore so much.

Second: Im not saying people play consoles more. Im just saying that people buy console games more and pirate on consoles way less.

Third: PS3 development is hard no doubt. Still Bioware desided to release the ps 3 version for mass effect way way later than the pc and 360 version and guess what it still sold more on retail than the pc version. Actually 3 times more. One of the contributing factors that Bioware is releasing their games on pc is the 360 development. Pc ports are quite easy to make.

Finally:

Mass effect 2 piracy over 3 million
http://torrentfreak....of-2010-101228/

Mass effect 2 retail pc sales 180K (you can add the digital sales that should be about the same. According to any recent study)
http://gamrreview.vg.../mass-effect-2/

You can do the math right there.

[Dariuszp]

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Modifié par Dariuszp, 07 octobre 2011 - 06:34 .

[Nighthawkk771]

I love the fact that this guy actually believes he has both the intellectual and moral high-ground. The fact that piracy is rife in other games has nothing to do with ME. Sure there will be some piracy, but saying its at 90% is either a blatant lie or pure stupidity.

Interestingly enough, all my friends who I managed to convince to buy ME 1 and 2 all got it on computer (despite the majority of them having a 360) and would have never bought it otherwise. Simply, if it was so unprofitable, companies would just stop making PC games.

I know its stupid to try and use logic, but I just had to try. Oh, and I think digital sales are actually pretty high, although I honestly can't say that for a fact.

Modifié par Nighthawkk771, 07 octobre 2011 - 06:25 .

[galligaro]

111987 wrote...

galligaro wrote...


Oh sorry if I would have known you would simply shrug it a side by saying that "well they are not saying that about mass effect" i would not have bothered to answer. Ofcourse in your mind by some miracle mass effect is not affected by piracy like every other pc game that is single player focused. Actaully if it was pirated over 3 million times.

http://torrentfreak....of-2010-101228/

And it sold 180K retail + another 180K digital if it is even the 50%. The 180K digital is the only number you can go cry about. Also the 3 million pirated copies is way bigger today but i let it slide. so what does that make? About 11-12% of legimate buyers?

You are once again comparing statistics from one game to another; you can't just do that.

Mass Effect 1 and 2 have definitley been pirated. I don't dispute that. What I dispute is you throwing out numbers with no basis as if they are facts.

No im talking about mass effect 2. I just posted you all the statistics to calculate the piracy rates. Like I said only thing you can argue about is how much the game sold through digital.

[LOLandStuff]

Have you no soul, man? Think of the few PC users. You're ruining my life! There's no point living if I can't play ME3 on PC. Why? Oh why god have you forsaken me? Where do such people come from? Besides their natural habitat under a bridge.

[Nighthawkk771]

You're completely wrong. Those figures don't even include the Americas, and I would think that would actually include quite a large number of sales. Add that to the fact it doesn't include digital downloads AND the fact its only for the first ten weeks, which ignores Steam sales etc later on, and you're claims are just totally wrong.

[LGTX]

I won't flame your arguments. But I do find the ultimate proposition... Unsettling. They should just 'cancel' something they've been working their tails off for two years? How will that be MORE beneficial than releasing the title and gaining some revenue, piracy aside?

[galligaro]

Nighthawkk771 wrote...

I love the fact that this guy actually believes he has both the intellectual and moral high-ground. The fact that piracy is rife in other games has nothing to do with ME. Sure there will be some piracy, but saying its at 90% is either a blatant lie or pure stupidity.

Interestingly enough, all my friends who I managed to convince to buy ME 1 and 2 all got it on computer (despite the majority of them having a 360) and would have never bought it otherwise. Simply, if it was so unprofitable, companies would just stop making PC games.

I know its stupid to try and use logic, but I just had to try. Oh, and I think digital sales are actually pretty high, although I honestly can't say that for a fact.

Again:

Mass effect 2 piracy over 3 million
http://torrentfreak....of-2010-101228/

Mass effect 2 retail pc sales 180K (you can add the digital sales that should be about the same. According to any recent study)
http://gamrreview.vg.../mass-effect-2/

You can do the math right there. Oh you think that the digital sales are pretty hight? You saw 500K playing mass effect 2 on steam when it came out? This is a delusion. The digital sales are not high just check any launch day simultaneus players on steam. Even if the game uses steamworks and forces even the retail copy buyers log in to steam the simultaneous player numbers are a joke. Wake me up when those numbers top 700K like halo reach did in XBL during lauch day. It is the launch day/week sales that count.

Thanks for participating.

[Dariuszp]

 

Also a fact. Call od Duty you mentioned sold more than any other game. So piracy is not a factor. Only thing it's probably change was Call of Duty as a brand. It make it more popular amongs kids who could not afford it. 

Also my friend downloaded Mass Effect 1 because THERE WAS NO DEMO. So he download the game. He play prologue. He BOUGHT the game. He told me about it so I bought Mass Effect. And he is in your numbers.

Sorry kid but you are just too ignorant do understand that we don't really care. If I want to check if game runs OK I download the demo. When I can't - I download the game. Simple as that. I check it out and I delete it or order it in shop or Steam.

Same with recent id Software RAGE. There is no demo. I COULD buy the game right ? But no. I downloaded the game and I learn that GAME IS UNPLAYABLE on ATI GRAPHIC CARDS. Even nvidia is causing problems. Also promo videos and screenshoots look nothing like crap they give us.
What did I do ? I didn't bought the game because it's a junk and I remove what I downloaded. Our law is OK with that.
So what now ? id Software should blame PIRACY that the game didn't sold ? NO. They should blame them because it was only way for me to check the game and I know that RAGE IS A UNPLAYABLE CRAP. And I don't play and don't buy CRAP.

So please take your numbers and your arguments and keep it for yourself because they are all stupid. Thank you.

[slimgrin]

This douche wants what?

 

[Gh0st_00]

I have this odd feeling that this thread was only created to try and ****** off the pc gamers.
Don't know where I could be getting that idea from.

[Chala]

Dariuszp wrote...

 

Also a fact. Call od Duty you mentioned sold more than any other game. So piracy is not a factor. Only thing it's probably change was Call of Duty as a brand. It make it more popular amongs kids who could not afford it. 

Also my friend downloaded Mass Effect 1 because THERE WAS NO DEMO. So he download the game. He play prologue. He BOUGHT the game. He told me about it so I bought Mass Effect. And he is in your numbers.

Sorry kid but you are just too ignorant do understand that we don't really care. If I want to check if game runs OK I download the demo. When I can't - I download the game. Simple as that. I check it out and I delete it or order it in shop or Steam.

Same with recent id Software RAGE. There is no demo. I COULD buy the game right ? But no. I downloaded the game and I learn that GAME IS UNPLAYABLE on ATI GRAPHIC CARDS. Even nvidia is causing problems. Also promo videos and screenshoots look nothing like crap they give us.
What did I do ? I didn't bought the game because it's a junk and I remove what I downloaded. Our law is OK with that.
So what now ? id Software should blame PIRACY that the game didn't sold ? NO. They should blame them because it was only way for me to check the game and I know that RAGE IS A UNPLAYABLE CRAP. And I don't play and don't buy CRAP.

So please take your numbers and your arguments and keep it for yourself because they are all stupid. Thank you.

So true, I'm waiting for an official fix for that error, once it comes out. I'll buy it...

[diamondedge]

Dear Mr. Troll,

How does it affect YOU in the slightest, if Bioware releases their games on PC?

Bioware has been in the business of RPG making longer than you've been alive. If they thought it was bad for business/wasn't worth it, THEY SIMPLY WOULDN'T DO IT.

As it stands, they still do it.

Problem, officer?

Modifié par diamondedge, 07 octobre 2011 - 06:39 .

[Fixers0]

Do you know that in Europe most people play On PC their games and not on gaming Consoles?

Also were are the concrete statictics that 90% of the PC player's pirated Mass Effect 2?

[galligaro]

LGTX wrote...

I won't flame your arguments. But I do find the ultimate proposition... Unsettling. They should just 'cancel' something they've been working their tails off for two years? How will that be MORE beneficial than releasing the title and gaining some revenue, piracy aside?

They have not worked on the pc release too hard. They make the port from the 360 version.

I take it back. It is too late for them to cancel. They should just delay the release for atleast 3 months. Tell how they are polishing the game for pc just like the smarter developers are doing. This will force some of the millions of people who are big fans of Mass effect buy it for the console of their choice. I know some of the poeople just can't wait.

If the game would be released same time on pc they would just pirate it because piracy on pc is easier than to get the real thing.

[Soul Cool]

galligaro wrote...
Bioware must still feel some loyalty to pc gamers but they should just abandon that piracy infested platform.

Firstly, guess what happens if you abandon a project that you're already years into the development cycle on for a specific platform? You know what that's called? Losing money. You are literally asking them to abandon millions of dollars worth of investments because they might not make it back.

Secondly, they obviously believe they have good reasons to invest in the PC platform development despite the piracy risk. So, you threatining their sales with '90% piracy' is pretty ironic.

[111987]

galligaro wrote...

111987 wrote...

galligaro wrote...


Oh sorry if I would have known you would simply shrug it a side by saying that "well they are not saying that about mass effect" i would not have bothered to answer. Ofcourse in your mind by some miracle mass effect is not affected by piracy like every other pc game that is single player focused. Actaully if it was pirated over 3 million times.

http://torrentfreak....of-2010-101228/

And it sold 180K retail + another 180K digital if it is even the 50%. The 180K digital is the only number you can go cry about. Also the 3 million pirated copies is way bigger today but i let it slide. so what does that make? About 11-12% of legimate buyers?

You are once again comparing statistics from one game to another; you can't just do that.

Mass Effect 1 and 2 have definitley been pirated. I don't dispute that. What I dispute is you throwing out numbers with no basis as if they are facts.

No im talking about mass effect 2. I just posted you all the statistics to calculate the piracy rates. Like I said only thing you can argue about is how much the game sold through digital.

The sad thing is you don't even understand why you are so hopelessly wrong.

Ah well...