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[CroGamer002]

SandTrout wrote...

Sethan_1 wrote...

Long and short, Bioware/EA have a much better idea of what makes economic sense for them than anyone posting on this thread.

They keep making versions for the PC, so it must keep making them enough money to make sense to do.

Wise, you are.

+1

[MarauderESP]

LOLandStuff wrote...

Seriously guys, who the heck let galligaro free and in the vicinity of a PC with internet connection?

LOL

[Inquisitor Recon]

Wouldn't touching a PC burn this guy's flesh or something?

[CroGamer002]

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

Hathur wrote...

Stop feeding the damn thing, people... it only grows stronger and more confident when you do.

Why can't we make fun of it though?

Better then 100th "ME3 will have multiplayer" thread.

And I think this thread is kinda on topic with ME3, I guess.

[Dreadcall]

galligaro wrote...


You are comparing a 600 page book to a single dvd and a plastic cover  

Do you seriously think that the actual disc and cover make up the majority of the costs of selling through stores? Are you for real?

Also, even though most people don't seem to be avare of this,for console salesthe publiseher does have to pay the console manufacturer a share as well. 

Also even if your theory that cancelling or delaying the pc version might increase overall sales is correct ( although EA seemingly does not agree with you, as they did that with me1 but not for me2 and not planning it for me3), alienating the pc crowd is a bad mid-long term strategic decision, since they make up the majority of potential customers for their future MMO projects, where the real big money is. 

Modifié par Dreadcall, 07 octobre 2011 - 09:27 .

[88Vendetta88]

You'd probably find that more people pirate games in poorer, third world countries and such. There's a reason why there are so many free-to-play games in Asia. You can blame piracy all you want, but piracy occurs on consoles too. Not to mention the publishers seeing second-hand sales of console games a  pretty big loss in profit also. Steam generates A LOT of money, they're just not a publicly traded company so don't release the sales figures.

All in all, the only thing I can do really in response to your ludicrous statement is laugh so hard at your naivety. Semi-amusing troll is semi-amusing.

Modifié par 88Vendetta88, 07 octobre 2011 - 09:37 .

[SkittlesKat96]

Not sure whether OP is serious or troll. 

Anyway:

1. If Bioware was making no profit or a tiny profit off of PC sales they wouldn't sell it on the PC. And if it wasn't Bioware to pull the plug then EA would.

2. The developers for Bioware in the past have said that they prefer making games for the PC and that they have a harder time making games for consoles.

3. There would be massive community anger and outrage if they stopped selling for the PC.

4. STEAM and digital sales for games tend to be very profitable for most developers (for some reason. Valve refuses to give the sales records but they have stated before that its true.)

[hangmans tree]

galligaro wrote...

111987 wrote...

galligaro wrote...

They just can't abandon the pc all together with the titles like Mass effect since they would have all the crying fanboys at their doorsteps unfortunately 90% of those pirated the game.

90%, really? Can you show me where you got that staggering number?

http://www.eurogamer...-really-article

http://arstechnica.c...mnesty-sale.ars

Did you READ it? You just shot yourself in the foot posting those
I question your reasoning and intelligence...boy.

Besides you do not understand the dillema at hand. At all.
You throw such slogans without any meaningful arguments to back it up. Even specialists dont know how exactly the piracy affects the sales and its too inconsistent ranging from region to region to come to a  real conclusion.

You expand the market, thats the idea, not cutting out the portion of a cake and throwing it out.

Witcher 2. PC only game (for now). How much was it affected by the piracy although it was launched without DRM (GOG)? 

Again:

Mass effect 2 piracy over 3 million
http://torrentfreak....of-2010-101228/

and how many was dl to "check it out" and then bought? ...such  a smartass. Just one small example of flawed logic in your thinking.

So why am I even trying? Why I never...

Modifié par hangmans tree, 07 octobre 2011 - 10:11 .

[Dariuszp]

Valve Software President Gabe Newell give the idea that games are probably TOO EXPENSIVE and that is the main problem. How they know it ? Because they can manipulate prices on Steam how they want. There is almost no limit to that. Example:

Left 4 Dead had 50% discount ( 25$ ). Sales rise 3000% !!. So they made 15x more money than before. As he said - they made more money than when they launch the product.

He said that a weekend sale of one third-party title drove that game's sales up by 18000% and units-sold increased 36000%. And AFTER promotion ended - sales were doubled than before promotion.

Also he said that 25% discount got them 245 increase in sales. 50% discount - 320% increase in sales. 75% discount - 1470% increase in sales. So before 75% discount for example they sold 10000 copies for 50$ ok ?

10000 copies for 50$ = 500,000$

With 75% discount they would get around 12.5$ on each game. But they would sold 147000 copies.

147000 copies for 12.5$ = 1,837,500$.

Now guys. Do the math. I think that gaming companies should adjust their prices. Here is the article:
http://www.next-gen....s-too-expensive

[galligaro]

Dariuszp wrote...

Valve Software President Gabe Newell give the idea that games are probably TOO EXPENSIVE and that is the main problem. How they know it ? Because they can manipulate prices on Steam how they want. There is almost no limit to that. Example:

Left 4 Dead had 50% discount ( 25$ ). Sales rise 3000% !!. So they made 15x more money than before. As he said - they made more money than when they launch the product.

He said that a weekend sale of one third-party title drove that game's sales up by 18000% and units-sold increased 36000%. And AFTER promotion ended - sales were doubled than before promotion.

Also he said that 25% discount got them 245 increase in sales. 50% discount - 320% increase in sales. 75% discount - 1470% increase in sales. So before 75% discount for example they sold 10000 copies for 50$ ok ?

10000 copies for 50$ = 500,000$

With 75% discount they would get around 12.5$ on each game. But they would sold 147000 copies.

147000 copies for 12.5$ = 1,837,500$.

Now guys. Do the math. I think that gaming companies should adjust their prices. Here is the article:
http://www.next-gen....s-too-expensive

Care to show me how many copies they sold? Oh jeah you can't. So if they sold 1 copy and discounted the game and sold the 3000 copies. Whoppidoo. But you can't show any numbers so give it a rest. Steam is not the goldmine you people try to show it was. Besides even Gabe said that Left 4 dead was more successfull on 360 and it is a Valve game

[diamondedge]

I really, really wish someone would just ban your sorry ass.

[Archmage Silvery]

Not to feed any possible trolls, but the people who pirate PC games also pirate console games - and no, I don't mean those blackmarket ops copies, just your regular Joe Cheapo burning illegal copies by himself. They don't care which laws & EULAs they are in breach of. And they most certainly weren't going to pay for the game if it was a console exclusive either.

[Kakita Tatsumaru]

Thread reported: I don't bear being called a thief when I'm giving money for my games, being it console (for the Mass Effect series) or PC (for every other Bioware games).

[Soul Cool]

galligaro wrote...
Care to show me how many copies they sold? Oh jeah you can't. So if they sold 1 copy and discounted the game and sold the 3000 copies. Whoppidoo. But you can't show any numbers so give it a rest. Steam is not the goldmine you people try to show it was. Besides even Gabe said that Left 4 dead was more successfull on 360 and it is a Valve game

Because 40 million gamers is definitely not something any developer wants access to. You are terrible at this. Take your terribleness elsewhere. Like 4chan.


I mean, developers can't possibly want to actually sell their game. They're just making it out of love and a masochistic desire to suffer.

[hangmans tree]

galligaro wrote...

Dariuszp wrote...

Left 4 Dead had 50% discount ( 25$ ). Sales rise 3000% !!. So they made 15x more money than before. As he said - they made more money than when they launch the product.

Care to show me how many copies they sold?

Can you extrapolate?
There is also critical thinking that helps to adhere to all the BS thats floating called propaganda, marketing and so called jurnalism...

[RyuujinZERO]

staindgrey wrote...

Nobody buys PC games via retail anymore because they can simply download them at 12:01am straight onto their computers. I haven't bought a PC game in retail in... Jesus, I have no idea when the last time I did.

Except people who live in isolated regions of the world and don't have access to super fast broadband. If I wanted to download a game the size of ME2 it'd take the best part of 2 weeks, MUCH faster for me to just order from amazon.

[galligaro]

hangmans tree wrote...

galligaro wrote...

Dariuszp wrote...

Left 4 Dead had 50% discount ( 25$ ). Sales rise 3000% !!. So they made 15x more money than before. As he said - they made more money than when they launch the product.

Care to show me how many copies they sold?

Can you extrapolate?
There is also critical thinking that helps to adhere to all the BS thats floating called propaganda, marketing and so called jurnalism...

So if a guy sells cars and tells you that well if you deliver me those cars and I sell them at half price in my shop we can make more money. You would immediately go for it? No matter you like it or not Gabe is promoting their own service and don't give ANY NUMBERS while doing so.

[galligaro]

Soul Cool wrote...

galligaro wrote...
Care to show me how many copies they sold? Oh jeah you can't. So if they sold 1 copy and discounted the game and sold the 3000 copies. Whoppidoo. But you can't show any numbers so give it a rest. Steam is not the goldmine you people try to show it was. Besides even Gabe said that Left 4 dead was more successfull on 360 and it is a Valve game

Because 40 million gamers is definitely not something any developer wants access to. You are terrible at this. Take your terribleness elsewhere. Like 4chan.


I mean, developers can't possibly want to actually sell their game. They're just making it out of love and a masochistic desire to suffer.

40 million
You do realize that a fraction of those people even use steam ever.
Many pc games force you to install steamworks. I have 3 accounts from my counterstrike days. Still I have and will never buy a game trough it. Same goes with most of my pc gaming friends. Anybody who can get a game trough steam can get it for free on their pc. Faster and without DRM or other crap.

Tell me what do the 40 million gamers do on steam when counterstrike and team fortress are still the most played games on it? They are not buying the new games when latest releases have hard time breaking the top 10 in the most simultaneous players list.

At the moment RAGE is nro 9 with just over 8000 players . The game sold like **** on pc like every other multiplatform game.

[Soul Cool]

galligaro wrote...
No matter you like it or not Gabe is promoting their own service and don't give ANY NUMBERS while doing so.

Doesn't matter. He''s talking about actual sales gains, not units sold. That money is money they would not have had otherwise. Developers are obviously profiting off this. What do you think most game development companies are, idiotic?

[galligaro]

Soul Cool wrote...

galligaro wrote...
No matter you like it or not Gabe is promoting their own service and don't give ANY NUMBERS while doing so.

Doesn't matter. He''s talking about actual sales gains, not units sold. That money is money they would not have had otherwise. Developers are obviously profiting off this. What do you think most game development companies are, idiotic?

Too bad that pc has a way more popular download site that lets you download games faster and free.
On topic tho. Mass effect 3 will once again see why every game that is not heavily multiplayer focused should skip pc release or delay it atleast 3 months.  It will sell even less on pc than the second one did. I will be happy to post how **** the simultaneous players numbers on steam are if this game is even released through steam.

[Soul Cool]

galligaro wrote...
40 million
You do realize that a fraction of those people even use steam ever.

And? Even if only 10% use it regularly, that's still 4 million gamers that developers would not have had access to. 4 million is much better than your absolute lack of ability to formulate any reply that could possibly convince developers who support Steam to give up that possibility.

Many pc games force you to install steamworks. I have 3 accounts from my counterstrike days. Still I have and will never buy a game trough it. Same goes with most of my pc gaming friends. Anybody who can get a game trough steam can get it for free on their pc. Faster and without DRM or other crap.

You and "your PC gaming friends" are so irrelevant that I'm not even sure why you keep bringing them up. Doesn't matter what you or "your friends" do, only matters what developers think gamers will do.

Tell me what do the 40 million gamers do on steam when counterstrike and team fortress are still the most played games on it? They are not buying the new games when latest releases have hard time breaking the top 10 in the most simultaneous players list.

Established games have larger fanbases. My god, it's like you know what you're talking about. Except the point you're laboriously struggling toward just supports my argument even more. Steam sales allow people to try out established games at much lower prices resulting in more actual sales. Tada, thank you for agreeing with me and helping me prove that I am right.

At the moment RAGE is nro 9 with just over 8000 players . The game sold like **** on pc like every other multiplatform game.

Oh, oh, can I see an actual link for this? Just once, I'd like to see you come up with something other than thin air and "torrent sites".

[LOLandStuff]

galligaro is just pissed he can't pirate games for his console because of his lousy connection and blames it on his PC.

[galligaro]

Soul Cool wrote...

galligaro wrote...
40 million
You do realize that a fraction of those people even use steam ever.

And? Even if only 10% use it regularly, that's still 4 million gamers that developers would not have had access to. 4 million is much better than your absolute lack of ability to formulate any reply that could possibly convince developers who support Steam to give up that possibility.

Many pc games force you to install steamworks. I have 3 accounts from my counterstrike days. Still I have and will never buy a game trough it. Same goes with most of my pc gaming friends. Anybody who can get a game trough steam can get it for free on their pc. Faster and without DRM or other crap.

You and "your PC gaming friends" are so irrelevant that I'm not even sure why you keep bringing them up. Doesn't matter what you or "your friends" do, only matters what developers think gamers will do.

Tell me what do the 40 million gamers do on steam when counterstrike and team fortress are still the most played games on it? They are not buying the new games when latest releases have hard time breaking the top 10 in the most simultaneous players list.

Established games have larger fanbases. My god, it's like you know what you're talking about. Except the point you're laboriously struggling toward just supports my argument even more. Steam sales allow people to try out established games at much lower prices resulting in more actual sales. Tada, thank you for agreeing with me and helping me prove that I am right.

At the moment RAGE is nro 9 with just over 8000 players . The game sold like **** on pc like every other multiplatform game.

Oh, oh, can I see an actual link for this? Just once, I'd like to see you come up with something other than thin air and "torrent sites".

http://store.steampowered.com/stats/

There you have it. Goes to show how you know absolutely nothing you are talking about. Oh and don't forget RAGE uses steamworks so that means there are retail copies amongst those steam numbers.

Steam customer base is crap because they have the option to steal everythin forexample Mass effect 3 over 3 million times. Rest of them just play 10 year old FPS games that have multiplayer.