Guanxi wrote...
Ignoring any statistics about piracy or digital download sales I myself am surprised that more publishers haven't followed Ubisoft or Rockstar's lead with regard to the PC as it makes all the sense in the world.
Modifié par roflchoppaz, 07 octobre 2011 - 12:52 .
Guanxi wrote...
Ignoring any statistics about piracy or digital download sales I myself am surprised that more publishers haven't followed Ubisoft or Rockstar's lead with regard to the PC as it makes all the sense in the world.
As the majority of sales (& interest) for the vast majority of games take place in the first 3 to 6 months (that's a complete given at this point) remove the element of PC piracy over that period and bank all of those sales. Yes console piracy exists but it's about as likely as the resurrection by comparison. After that period any more sales are just the icing on the cake and any continued sales at that point need resuscitation; at which point it makes sense to release PC ports and major DLC which will give sales a serious shot in the arm.
Over the initial period of console exclusivity the developer can work on enhancing the PC version and take that time to develop bonus content (which could also be sold separately on XBL & PSN).
In conclusion EA could limit piracy and maximise potential sales by sustaining interest in the title over a longer period and PC gamers get better/extra content. It's a win for everybody. PC Gamers would probably bite the bullet and buy the console versions and then buy the PC version later down the road which would add to sales in a third dimension.
Modifié par MarauderESP, 07 octobre 2011 - 12:54 .
roflchoppaz wrote...
Guanxi wrote...
Ignoring any statistics about piracy or digital download sales I myself am surprised that more publishers haven't followed Ubisoft or Rockstar's lead with regard to the PC as it makes all the sense in the world.
Because other publishers know what a pain in the ass are those 'log-in-to-play' DRMs.
MarauderESP wrote...
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Guanxi wrote...
roflchoppaz wrote...
Guanxi wrote...
Ignoring any statistics about piracy or digital download sales I myself am surprised that more publishers haven't followed Ubisoft or Rockstar's lead with regard to the PC as it makes all the sense in the world.
Because other publishers know what a pain in the ass are those 'log-in-to-play' DRMs.
Forget DRM, I'm taking about timed console exclusivity.
Modifié par roflchoppaz, 07 octobre 2011 - 01:00 .
roflchoppaz wrote...
Guanxi wrote...
roflchoppaz wrote...
Guanxi wrote...
Ignoring any statistics about piracy or digital download sales I myself am surprised that more publishers haven't followed Ubisoft or Rockstar's lead with regard to the PC as it makes all the sense in the world.
Because other publishers know what a pain in the ass are those 'log-in-to-play' DRMs.
Forget DRM, I'm taking about timed console exclusivity.
Oh, so you gonna leave out PC gamers silently sitting in the corner, biting fingers while consolers are already beaten ACR, for example, 15 times?
No.
Not cool.
I'm sick of that. It's disrespectful. If it's announced to be on PC since the start, the DVD for the PC game should be in the store on release.
but anyway, back to popcornin'.
Modifié par Guanxi, 07 octobre 2011 - 01:12 .
Modifié par Varen Spectre, 07 octobre 2011 - 01:38 .
Varen Spectre wrote...
Well, I would say that we have no way of knowing whether developing Mass Effect for PC was or wasn't profitable unless Bioware representatives themselves will tell us.
As for the OP, just like some posters before me, I would like to point out that without data about games sold outside of Europe, the Vgchartz's chart is incomplete...
... and so are OP's estimates based on ratios between sales of digital and hard copy versions.
Another problem is whether Vgchartz's data are correct. I have seen many people on many forums disputing their methods and results. After all, even a Bioware representative did it at least once:
"Through official channels the current sales quantity (which I can't share, so don't ask) is considerably better. Not sure about Vgchartz's methodology." 1 Jaret Lee, senior product manager at Bioware about Mass Effect's sales numbers
And last but not least, without knowing how much the the development of PC verions cost, we wouldn't be able to tell whether it was profitable even if we knew the exact sales numbers.
So, I doubt that this thread will accomplish anything. After all, unlike OP, Bioware does have all the necessary numbers and does have methodology how to make meaningful conclusions out of them...
Modifié par Dreadwing 67, 07 octobre 2011 - 02:05 .
Yeah. Months-long delays, craconian DRM, and then publishers cry PC sales ain't great. Well, go figure. They do everything possible to help decare the sales.Guanxi wrote...
Ignoring any statistics about piracy or digital download sales I myself am surprised that more publishers haven't followed Ubisoft or Rockstar's lead with regard to the PC as it makes all the sense in the world.
Modifié par IsaacShep, 07 octobre 2011 - 02:05 .
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*end voice* excuse me.
Dreadwing 67 wrote...
*Clears throat real fast* *Soverign voice* Rudimentary creature of taint and sin, You touch my mind fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding. There is realm of existence you cannot understand, You are beyond my comprehension, you are mundane. Troll life is nothing but a genetic mutation, an accident. Your lives are measured in flame wars and rage comments, you wither and die.
We are the normal. The pinnacle of actual human beings. Before us you are nothing, your extinction is inevitable. We are the end of every troll.
Confidence born of ignorance, the cycle cannot be broken. The pattern has been repeated more times than you can fathom. Troll posts rise, evolve, advance. And at the apex of their glory, they are extinguished.
Galligaro was not the first. It did not create the troll face, it did not forge the flame wars. It merely found them, the legacy of a kind greater than It. Your posts are based on the decency of the bioware forums, our forums. By using it your kind develops along the lines we desire. We impose order on the chaos of troll evolution. You exist because we allow it. And you will end because we're annoyed by it.
My kind transcends your very understanding. We are each a ME fan, independent, free of all weakness you wish we had. You cannot even grasp the nature of our existence.
We are actual human beings. The time of our return is coming. Our numbers will darken the basement of all the trolls' mother's houses. You cannot escape your doom.
Your words are empty as your soul, I am the vanguard of your destruction. This exchange is over.
*end voice* excuse me.
Shadow Over Water wrote...
First, Bioware wouldn't be where they are if they hadn't developed games for PC.
Second, your assertion that players that have a PC and a console play only on the console is flawed. Personnaly i have a PS3 and a PC, i play exclusively on the PC. Why ? the PS3 was the cheapest blu ray player when it came out.
Thirdly, when you say they would "save on development", while it is true, I don't think it represents as much as you think. Platform-specific code does not represent the majority of the code of the game. Coding on PS3 for example represent a significant investment in time comparing to PC (as the code on PC and XBox is relatively close).
Finally, Show us the sources of your numbers for retail and digital sales for the mass effect series on PC or the pirated copies, then we will see if you are even close to the truth.
Edit : a little more clarity.
Dreadwing 67 wrote...
*Clears throat real fast* *Soverign voice* Rudimentary creature of taint and sin, You touch my mind fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding. There is realm of existence you cannot understand, You are beyond my comprehension, you are mundane. Troll life is nothing but a genetic mutation, an accident. Your lives are measured in flame wars and rage comments, you wither and die.
We are the normal. The pinnacle of actual human beings. Before us you are nothing, your extinction is inevitable. We are the end of every troll.
Confidence born of ignorance, the cycle cannot be broken. The pattern has been repeated more times than you can fathom. Troll posts rise, evolve, advance. And at the apex of their glory, they are extinguished.
Galligaro was not the first. It did not create the troll face, it did not forge the flame wars. It merely found them, the legacy of a kind greater than It. Your posts are based on the decency of the bioware forums, our forums. By using it your kind develops along the lines we desire. We impose order on the chaos of troll evolution. You exist because we allow it. And you will end because we're annoyed by it.
My kind transcends your very understanding. We are each a ME fan, independent, free of all weakness you wish we had. You cannot even grasp the nature of our existence.
We are actual human beings. The time of our return is coming. Our numbers will darken the basement of all the trolls' mother's houses. You cannot escape your doom.
Your words are empty as your soul, I am the vanguard of your destruction. This exchange is over.
*end voice* excuse me.
Nighthawkk771 wrote...
I love the fact that this guy actually believes he has both the intellectual and moral high-ground. The fact that piracy is rife in other games has nothing to do with ME. Sure there will be some piracy, but saying its at 90% is either a blatant lie or pure stupidity.
Interestingly enough, all my friends who I managed to convince to buy ME 1 and 2 all got it on computer (despite the majority of them having a 360) and would have never bought it otherwise. Simply, if it was so unprofitable, companies would just stop making PC games.
I know its stupid to try and use logic, but I just had to try. Oh, and I think digital sales are actually pretty high, although I honestly can't say that for a fact.
Fixers0 wrote...
Ehh,
Why does Bioware need to cancel the PC Version again?
Modifié par LOLandStuff, 07 octobre 2011 - 02:37 .
this:OS.A.K wrote...
OP you know Xbox 360 and PS3 games can be pirated as well? You just need a hacked console. So BW should cancel the ME3 for all platforms.
p.s : I pre-ordered ME3 collectors edition for PC.
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