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[Aggie Punbot]

Prince Zeel wrote...

Did you have an argument, sweetie pie?

Sure. Let's play a little Association.
Does having, for example, same sex options in Mass Effect 3 mean that absolutely everyone has to take them?
Does the fact that they're there and a player doesn't want to use them mean that the game is now exclusively the domain of people that prefer to play their Shepard as a gay character?
Do people that don't think that a gay Shepard is in line with what they think the character should be like have to pursue that particular venue?

Of course not. It's an option that you can choose to utilize or not. But demanding that the option be made unavailable for everyone because a subsection of fans don't want it or think it detracts from their own personal enjoyment of the game just because its there is selfish.

See the similarities there now?

Modifié par TS2Aggie, 07 octobre 2011 - 11:02 .

[Xewaka]

Siegdrifa wrote...
Yhea so you want the player to loose somethings no matter what he does, it's always a half  win or half loss, the player would get pissed easly, spending the whole game half failling is irritating and at some point i'm sure not all players will keep playing, since "what the hell, no matter what i do, i always loose something, better spend my time on something less frustrating" and less would do another half loss playthrough.
Most of players don't like to get punishement forced on them, even for drama and realism sake, this is an entertainement, not a survival simulation.

There is a species of mechanical eldritch abominations bent on destroying galactic civilization, a feat they have succeeded in for at least 37 million years. Yet you expect them to have the threat level of a box of kittens. I do believe there is a disconnection somewhere in the train of logic.

[Prince Zeel]

TS2Aggie wrote...

Prince Zeel wrote...

Did you have an argument, sweetie pie?

Sure. Let's play a little Association. Does having, for example, same sex options in Mass Effect 3 mean that absolutely everyone has to take them? Does the fact that they're there and a player doesn't want to use them mean that the game is now exclusively the domain of people that prefer to play their Shepard as a gay character? Of course not. It's an option that you can choose to utilize or not. But demanding that the option be made unavailable for everyone because a subsection of fans don't want it or think it detracts from their own personal enjoyment of the game is selfish.

See the similarities there now?

Jesus christ. This is the real troll, gentlemen. Look at this. Not even about her god damn s/s relationships and yet she's turning it into her personal homophobic tirade. Get a grip lady, I don't CARE enough about shepard shagging someone up the bum to argue with you. What does my opinion matter, anyways? The feature has been added. There is nothing me or my next door neighbour, or you're overly religious parents can do about it. So stop going off the fence about it. Not everyone is going to be tolerant. Flame them, move on. Don't hijack topics for your personal agenda

FYI, the s/s thing breaks canon. even I know that. Ashley is not a lesbian. Garrus is a not a homosexual . You guys just need to deal with it. Like me, I'm dealing with multiplayer in me3 the best way I can.

Modifié par Prince Zeel, 07 octobre 2011 - 11:04 .

[Radahldo]

I dont think you've learned how to conduct yourself...

[Aggie Punbot]

No, sweetheart. There is no homophobic tirade. The association I made wasn't with the homphobic people, it was with the self-entitlement attitude. The feeling that if YOU don't want something in the game, no one should be allowed to have it because you can't bring yourself to not actively vie for it.

Modifié par TS2Aggie, 07 octobre 2011 - 11:06 .

[Xewaka]

TS2Aggie wrote...
Sure. Let's play a little Association. Does having, for example, same sex options in Mass Effect 3 mean that absolutely everyone has to take them? Does the fact that they're there and a player doesn't want to use them mean that the game is now exclusively the domain of people that prefer to play their Shepard as a gay character? Of course not. It's an option that you can choose to utilize or not. But demanding that the option be made unavailable for everyone because a subsection of fans don't want it or think it detracts from their own personal enjoyment of the game is selfish.
See the similarities there now?

Actually, the similarity with the love interests would be if there existed an option to bed any of them of your liking, all at the same time without consequences for Shepard or the LIs.
Having same sex options in Mass Effect 3 does broaden the range of options, but it doesn't dramatically shift the narrative weight between them.
Having consequence-free choices placed with consequence-laden choices without a previous, throrough investment of the player to enable the consequence-free choice (thus having the consequences layered) do cause a devaluation in the narrative weight of the consequence-laden choices.
Your example is inadequate.

[Prince Zeel]

TS2Aggie wrote...

No, sweetheart. There is no homophobic tirade. The association I made wasn't with the homphobic people, it was with the self-entitlement attitude.

The attitude you so fundamentally define. The world doesn't have to bend to your ACCEPT ME AND MY GAYS crap. I am not homophobic in the least. Just leave the straight characters. thanks.

[DiebytheSword]

Prince Zeel wrote...

If you check Amazon, the reviews are ridiculously positive. It's hard to feel apart of the masses, when the masses act like giant tools.

I hope you were joking with the "well-written" part. Twilight only success is taking all the romance cliches teenage girls like and making it work with vampires. That's its allure.

Not all people saw it that way, and I'm not the person to argue that.  As I said, I didn't personally like it because it failed to resonate with me on several levels.  I vastly prefer 3rd person to 1st person, but I don't write 1st person stories off as bad because I don't like them.  Several people who were not teenage girls liked the novels in my circle of friends.  I'm 35 years old, my wife and her friends are even older than I, that does not make them teenage girls going squee!  I will say that it is only the first book they like because of how the story is presented (thoughts of Bella as well as her POV in the story) and because of that, the writer achieved resonance with people outside of the books stated demographic.  I liked the Host quite a bit more, but still hated first person.  Granted, the Host could not be written in 3rd person easily, but its an example of Stephanie Meyer's ability to write well, even if I don't like her stories.

All I'm trying to say is that a matter of prefference does not make a story bad, it just makes you not like it.  As far as SotC and this argument, I see where you are coming from because SotC has many more elements than just story, and most of them outweigh the simple tale.  To say that the tale is bad because it does live up to your personal standards isn't quite right, in my humble opinion.  Perhaps its that I dabble in writing from time to time myself, or because I read quite a bit, that I'm more apt to defend an author's work.  Perhaps you are more cynical when it comes to works that you feel are sub-par.

[Aggie Punbot]

Xewaka wrote...

Having consequence-free choices placed with consequence-laden choices without a previous, throrough investment of the player to enable the consequence-free choice (thus having the consequences layered) do cause a devaluation in the narrative weight of the consequence-laden choices.
Your example is inadequate.

I'm sorry, I haven't actually seen anyone here wanting consequence-free choices.

[ohbobsagetpiss]

>>>Yhea so you want the player to loose somethings no matter what he does, it's always a half  win or half loss, the player would get pissed easly, spending the whole game half failling is irritating and at some point i'm sure not all players will keep playing, since "what the hell, no matter what i do, i always loose something, better spend my time on something less frustrating" and less would do another half loss playthrough.
Most of players don't like to get punishement forced on them, even for drama and realism sake, this is an entertainement, not a survival simulation.

There would be no real consequnces from your decisions if everything turned out perfect in the ending. 

Modifié par ohbobsagetpiss, 07 octobre 2011 - 11:10 .

[Prince Zeel]

DiebytheSword wrote...

Prince Zeel wrote...

If you check Amazon, the reviews are ridiculously positive. It's hard to feel apart of the masses, when the masses act like giant tools.

I hope you were joking with the "well-written" part. Twilight only success is taking all the romance cliches teenage girls like and making it work with vampires. That's its allure.

Not all people saw it that way, and I'm not the person to argue that.  As I said, I didn't personally like it because it failed to resonate with me on several levels.  I vastly prefer 3rd person to 1st person, but I don't write 1st person stories off as bad because I don't like them.  Several people who were not teenage girls liked the novels in my circle of friends.  I'm 35 years old, my wife and her friends are even older than I, that does not make them teenage girls going squee!  I will say that it is only the first book they like because of how the story is presented (thoughts of Bella as well as her POV in the story) and because of that, the writer achieved resonance with people outside of the books stated demographic.  I liked the Host quite a bit more, but still hated first person.  Granted, the Host could not be written in 3rd person easily, but its an example of Stephanie Meyer's ability to write well, even if I don't like her stories.

All I'm trying to say is that a matter of prefference does not make a story bad, it just makes you not like it.  As far as SotC and this argument, I see where you are coming from because SotC has many more elements than just story, and most of them outweigh the simple tale.  To say that the tale is bad because it does live up to your personal standards isn't quite right, in my humble opinion.  Perhaps its that I dabble in writing from time to time myself, or because I read quite a bit, that I'm more apt to defend an author's work.  Perhaps you are more cynical when it comes to works that you feel are sub-par.

Are you telling me I shouldn't have an opinion?

[AdmiralCheez]

Prince Zeel wrote...

Are you telling me I shouldn't have an opinion?

No, just hoping you'd be less of a dick about it, I think.

Seriously, you've been nothing but awful since you've started posting.  Please stop.  You are cutting in on the enjoyment of other people.

[Xewaka]

TS2Aggie wrote...

Xewaka wrote...
Having consequence-free choices placed with consequence-laden choices without a previous, throrough investment of the player to enable the consequence-free choice (thus having the consequences layered) do cause a devaluation in the narrative weight of the consequence-laden choices.
Your example is inadequate.

I'm sorry, I haven't actually seen anyone here wanting consequence-free choices.

That is exactly what everybody complaining about a "forced" bittersweet ending and wanting a fully happy ending is asking for.

[Soccer FeverMan]

wow...you need to get out of your house

[DiebytheSword]

Prince Zeel wrote...

DiebytheSword wrote...

Prince Zeel wrote...

If you check Amazon, the reviews are ridiculously positive. It's hard to feel apart of the masses, when the masses act like giant tools.

I hope you were joking with the "well-written" part. Twilight only success is taking all the romance cliches teenage girls like and making it work with vampires. That's its allure.

Not all people saw it that way, and I'm not the person to argue that.  As I said, I didn't personally like it because it failed to resonate with me on several levels.  I vastly prefer 3rd person to 1st person, but I don't write 1st person stories off as bad because I don't like them.  Several people who were not teenage girls liked the novels in my circle of friends.  I'm 35 years old, my wife and her friends are even older than I, that does not make them teenage girls going squee!  I will say that it is only the first book they like because of how the story is presented (thoughts of Bella as well as her POV in the story) and because of that, the writer achieved resonance with people outside of the books stated demographic.  I liked the Host quite a bit more, but still hated first person.  Granted, the Host could not be written in 3rd person easily, but its an example of Stephanie Meyer's ability to write well, even if I don't like her stories.

All I'm trying to say is that a matter of prefference does not make a story bad, it just makes you not like it.  As far as SotC and this argument, I see where you are coming from because SotC has many more elements than just story, and most of them outweigh the simple tale.  To say that the tale is bad because it does live up to your personal standards isn't quite right, in my humble opinion.  Perhaps its that I dabble in writing from time to time myself, or because I read quite a bit, that I'm more apt to defend an author's work.  Perhaps you are more cynical when it comes to works that you feel are sub-par.

Are you telling me I shouldn't have an opinion?

How you distilled that wall of text down to me telling you not to have an opinion is beyond me.  The point of my post was thus:  an opinion does not make something a fact.  The story cannot be bad because your opinion of it is poor, rather you dislike the story.  It is your opinion that the story is bad, not a fact that it is.  Please opine to your heart's content.

In fact, I belive I said this just a few pages back:

DiebytheSword said . . .
As far as any particular idea being a pathogen to an industry, close mindedness is a pathogen to intellegent thought in general.  Even if you don't agree, its healthy for someone else to have a differing a opinion.

That would obviously suggest that I respect that you have an opinion and a place to say it.  Are you saying that I shouldn't have an opinion on your opinion?

Modifié par DiebytheSword, 07 octobre 2011 - 11:15 .

[Aggie Punbot]

ohbobsagetpiss wrote...

There would be no real consequnces from your decisions if everything turned out perfect in the ending. 

I think the main problem is that the people who are advocating the 'bittersweetending' dn't really seem to grasp the fact that people who want a "happy ending" don't want it to be a "perfect" ending. I certainly don't, and I know that just isn't going to happen. What I personally want is the opportunity to get an ending that isn't completely depressing. I want teh chance to be able to save some people, not make everyone's deaths completely foregone conclusions regardless of what I do, how I do it or when I do it.

[Prince Zeel]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

Prince Zeel wrote...

Are you telling me I shouldn't have an opinion?

No, just hoping you'd be less of a dick about it, I think.

Seriously, you've been nothing but awful since you've started posting.  Please stop.  You are cutting in on the enjoyment of other people.

Jesus calm down Admiral. 


I'm participating in the discussion. I'm on topic, not attacking anyone and keeping multiplayer out of it.

[Aggie Punbot]

Xewaka wrote...

That is exactly what everybody complaining about a "forced" bittersweet ending and wanting a fully happy ending is asking for.

No it's not.

[KBomb]

Xewaka wrote...

TS2Aggie wrote...
I'm sorry, I haven't actually seen anyone here wanting consequence-free choices.

That is exactly what everybody complaining about a "forced" bittersweet ending and wanting a fully happy ending is asking for.

I haven't seen anyone asking for a "fully happy ending". The majority of people on here are fine with sacrifices and consequences being made. I wonder how many would complain about a "forced" ending were it a happy one?

[AdmiralCheez]

Xewaka wrote...

That is exactly what everybody complaining about a "forced" bittersweet ending and wanting a fully happy ending is asking for.

Happy is a relative term.  NO ONE is asking for the rainbow ponies to teach the Reapers the virtues of love and peace, here.  By happy, I mean not auto-killing half the squad.  I hope I made that clear in the OP.

[Valdrane78]

Well, this thread will be closing soon, bans will be handed out and guess what...............the devs will do what they want regardless of the fan base and the game will be released as they see fit and nothing will change. The hostility in this thread will resolve nothing.

[BatmanPWNS]

Did I miss something here?

[Collider]

Arguing with Prince Zeel is pointles, fyi.
Obvious troll is obvious.

Modifié par Collider, 07 octobre 2011 - 11:16 .