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[AdmiralCheez]

Killjoy, give it a rest. I agree with you, but keep going and you'll get way too worked up and be pissed off all day.

[Killjoy Cutter]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

Actually, they are.  There's all this talk about how people die in war... and yet for some reason, all the people dying in ME3 don't count.  Only the squadmates who "should" die count. 

Correction: only squadmates or people close to Shepard dying counts for tragedy of war.

Which, by your and pretty much every other objector's arguments and counter-proposals of 'what if other people died instead', is true.

Every death counts for the tragedy of war.  

As for your second line there, stop talking nonsense.

Dean_the_Young wrote...

And if think that the terms "realistic" and "care bear" weren't used by the pro-death side to describe this, then re-read the damn thread.

Perhaps you should re-read his (her?) post about the people still talking at this point...?

I don't care if they're not here right now. 

[Arcadian Legend]

fdgvdddvdfdfbdfb wrote...

I believe latter refers to Dean being rather obnoxiously argumentative. Also, what the bloody hell are you people on about? I was barely away for a day

Dean thinks me and Eternal are women due to our 'androgynous' avvies. I don't think he seriously thinks that though. Somehow, in some twisted way I'm sure this is related to the overall thread. XD

EDIT

What's next? He strentghens his point by noticing we are bronies? Oh, crap...

Modifié par DarkRiku7, 22 octobre 2011 - 08:38 .

[Killjoy Cutter]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

Killjoy, give it a rest. I agree with you, but keep going and you'll get way too worked up and be pissed off all day.

I'm pissed off every time I read a comment that someone in the squad has to die for the game to be "realistic", and that the best way to do this is to inject some pathetic Hollywood formula writing.

[AdmiralCheez]

DarkRiku7 wrote...

Dean thinks me and Eternal are women due to our 'androgynous' avvies. I don't think he seriously thinks that though. Somehow, in some twisted way I'm sure this is related to the overall thread. XD

So I'm a dapper krogan gentleman?

Aaaaaawesome.

[fdgvdddvdfdfbdfb]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

DarkRiku7 wrote...

Dean thinks me and Eternal are women due to our 'androgynous' avvies. I don't think he seriously thinks that though. Somehow, in some twisted way I'm sure this is related to the overall thread. XD

So I'm a dapper krogan gentleman?

Aaaaaawesome.

Hey it's the internet, you can be whomever you wish to be.

[Killjoy Cutter]

"On the internet, no one knows you're a dog."

[Killjoy Cutter]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

DarkRiku7 wrote...

Dean thinks me and Eternal are women due to our 'androgynous' avvies. I don't think he seriously thinks that though. Somehow, in some twisted way I'm sure this is related to the overall thread. XD

So I'm a dapper krogan gentleman?

Aaaaaawesome.

Dig the hat.

[fdgvdddvdfdfbdfb]

I was just imagining what a forum without moderators would be like.

[Bekkael]

Sharingan Master wrote...
I'll just leave this here...

Thanks for the laugh.

Forumites are a genderless sect of gamers. I thought this was common knowledge?

[sorentoft]

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...
I'm pissed off every time I read a comment that someone in the squad has to die for the game to be "realistic", and that the best way to do this is to inject some pathetic Hollywood formula writing.

Again, you're saying broad things that mean little. What is "pathetic Hollywood formula writing"?

Dun dun DUUUUUUN.

[Killjoy Cutter]

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...
I'm pissed off every time I read a comment that someone in the squad has to die for the game to be "realistic", and that the best way to do this is to inject some pathetic Hollywood formula writing.

Again, you're saying broad things that mean little. What is "pathetic Hollywood formula writing"?

Start digging into how a lot of scripts for TV shows and movies are written. 

Hint:  this "someone close to the hero needs to die here for impact" crap is classic formula writing.  

[Cobra's_back]

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

jeweledleah wrote...

more like we decided that its not worth our time to argue with uncompromising brick walls.

We COULD say the same about you. And actually there HAS been compromise.

If you mean compromise would be Shepard dies to save the team yes. I agree. I’ll wait for everyone to tell me how it ends so I don’t have to waste my time. If it looks like something I want to play after you tell me about it I’ll play. If another game gives better choice I’ll pick that. These games are just fantasy. It’s not real life. If I want real life there are some excellent books out there that give us a better real life story. I couldn’t put down the book “The Devil we Know” by Robert Bear or the jewel “A Bright Shining Lie John Paul Vann and America in Vietnam” by Neil Sheehan.
Nothing in Mass Effect is real. Battles, conflicts and love interest are simplified and sometimes funny but not real. It’s still entertaining. However, I’m not big on slipping pretend real quota death to assimilate life. It doesn’t make sense when everything else is pure fantasy. How many people really thought LI aliens were a real thing?? When I saw Frogman I thought of Mel Brooks “Young Frankenstein”. I had to LOL thinking of Madeline Kahn’s expression if Frogman could lick his eyebrows with his tongue. Please, it is way too funny. Mankind still has issues with race and gender preference and Space is the place for out of your species sex.
 

[Arcadian Legend]

fdgvdddvdfdfbdfb wrote...

I was just imagining what a forum without moderators would be like.

Utter Chaos. Utter Chaos and Discord.

[AdmiralCheez]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

I'm pissed off every time I read a comment that someone in the squad has to die for the game to be "realistic", and that the best way to do this is to inject some pathetic Hollywood formula writing.

You're right--it's not realistic and it IS pretty Hollywood.

I think the  problem here is varying degrees of empathy.  I get misty-eyed playing Overlord and Tali's loyalty mission, but when an important character dies, I'm mostly like "that was dumb."  There's always exceptions to the rule--when Dumbledore and Wash bit it in Half-Blood Prince and Serenity respectively, I emoted all over the place.  Dumbledore not because of the death itself but the whole wand-raising afterwards, Wash because it came WAY THE HELL OUT OF NOWHERE.

Some people, however, could care less when a non-important NPC bites it.  I find this hard to believe--when the nameless guy gets impaled on Eden Prime and Kate Bowman's brother/the hostages die in BDtS, I still wince.  I got upset watching Feron and that guy on Purgatory getting tortured.  When Saren shoots himself, the Destiny Ascension blows up, various people get shot on loyalty missions... yikes.

I think the key is presentation.  In order for a death to be effective, the actual dying part has to be realistic (no corny, drawn-out scenes a la Benezia where she basically just read her lines and dropped with no obvious reason for her death other than "hey, you beat the boss") or sharply contrast with the previous mood (Wash does awesome things, "I am a leaf on the wind," then STEEL BEAM OUT OF F*CKING NOWHERE).  The characters involved should also show powerful, appropriate emotions to reinforce the event either during or after it happens (everyone raising their wands after Dumbledore dies).

So it's not so much who dies, but how they die, how it's presented, and how characters react to it.  Theoretically, extreme emotional power can be obtained without ever touching squadmates.

[JeffZero]

Admiral Cheez said...
Wash because it came WAY THE HELL OUT OF NOWHERE.

That's death Whedon-style for you.