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[WizenSlinky0]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Well those people have inferior taste and I will not lower myself to their level or settle for what they want.

I want a game with depth, not just fantasy fulfillment.

I game like ME2 could have explored the "burden of command" in a different way than a film or novel by forcing the character to grow close to these people... and then forcing them to choose one to die.

But taste is a subjective value. Any and all existing formulas for creation of any work inevitably attempts to adhere to the subjective tenants of the greatest number of people at any given time, which is why they change so often. Cultural tastes change with the times.

Depth can be achieved through tons of different ways. You seem to be arguing it is only captivated through a very specific events, which isn't even a probable conclusion, except to adhere to your own tastes.

You can claim your superiority in all knowledge all you'd like, but in the end, your opinion has the *exact* same value as any other persons. The only thing that has shaped it is your own experiences, and in no way, do your experiences make you superior to other people.

[Killjoy Cutter]

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

"Oh mighty BioWare, please don't take away my reptilian boyfriendo because I have the mental stability of a certain bald human biotic during her period."

You can't help yourself, can you?

Pathetic.

Ah, this again. Guess you'll call me smug and whatever next, instead of actually coming up with arguments.

LOL... coming from you, that is an entirely meaningless comment.  Your next post in which you don't just fall back on an entirely ad hom attack will be your first. 

[Codyacsmith]

Halo Reach is technically a squad-based space hero game for grown-ups. And everyone dies.

[AdmiralCheez]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Well then you should trust me because I'm not and I'm not.

I would if I didn't have grounds to believe you had a worse mental illness than myself.

But seriously, I do have rapid-cycling bipolar disorder and it sucks balls.  Throw that on top of the real-life sh*t and I'm lucky I haven't committed suicide.

HEY LET'S TALK ABOUT OUR PERSONAL ISSUES OVER THE INTERNET.

[Kaiser Shepard]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

Saphra Deden wrote...

AdmiralCheez wrote...

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

The reverse sums you people up as well: "Oh mighty BioWare, please don't take away my reptilian boyfriendo because I have the mental stability of a certain bald human biotic during her period."

The funny part of all this is that your statement is true.

I really am clinically mentally ill.

And having my period.

Well then you should trust me because I'm not and I'm not.

In case anyone missed it, Saphra entirely misquoted Cheez.

No, s/he didn't.

[AdmiralCheez]

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

That explains a lot, I suppose.

TAKE MY UTERUS, KAISER.

TAKE IT AWAY AND LOCK IT UP UNTIL IT STOPS BEING GROSS.

Also, here, have my f*cked up neurotransmitters.

No but seriously, bipolar sucks forever and you should be glad you don't have it.

[Killjoy Cutter]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

Saphra Deden wrote...

Well then you should trust me because I'm not and I'm not.

I would if I didn't have grounds to believe you had a worse mental illness than myself.

But seriously, I do have rapid-cycling bipolar disorder and it sucks balls.  Throw that on top of the real-life sh*t and I'm lucky I haven't committed suicide.

HEY LET'S TALK ABOUT OUR PERSONAL ISSUES OVER THE INTERNET.

That has to suck.

Still has to be better than being a malignant narcisist, and we have at least one of those on this thread. 

[Kaiser Shepard]

Cthulhu42 wrote...

Saphra Deden wrote...

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

rapscallioness wrote...

Saphra Deden wrote...

WizenSlinky0 wrote...

But see, this is where you're running into a problem. You've stopped arguing for things you "want" and started to argue against what other people want.

I'm arguing that I want will ultimately be to the benefit for more people than just myself, including many of my detractors. I'm arguing that I wnat will make the game better.

Well, quite simply, Saphra..you're wrong. My superior judgment tells me so.

Your judgment is clearly inferior to Saphra's.

If his judgement was truly superior he'd realize that his judgement was actually inferior and defer to my superior judgement.

But if his judgement was trluy superior then it, by definition, wouldn't be inferior. I think you're dealing with a paradox there.

Indeed, his judgment being superior is by definition a paradox.

[AdmiralCheez]

Codyacsmith wrote...

Halo Reach is technically a squad-based space hero game for grown-ups. And everyone dies.

Yeah, Saph, go play that.

[xentar]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

Saphra Deden wrote...

Well then you should trust me because I'm not and I'm not.

I would if I didn't have grounds to believe you had a worse mental illness than myself.

But seriously, I do have rapid-cycling bipolar disorder and it sucks balls.  Throw that on top of the real-life sh*t and I'm lucky I haven't committed suicide.

HEY LET'S TALK ABOUT OUR PERSONAL ISSUES OVER THE INTERNET.

As if suicide were a bad thing...

[Killjoy Cutter]

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

Saphra Deden wrote...

AdmiralCheez wrote...

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

The reverse sums you people up as well: "Oh mighty BioWare, please don't take away my reptilian boyfriendo because I have the mental stability of a certain bald human biotic during her period."

The funny part of all this is that your statement is true.

I really am clinically mentally ill.

And having my period.

Well then you should trust me because I'm not and I'm not.

In case anyone missed it, Saphra entirely misquoted Cheez.

No, s/he didn't.

I missed the post Saphra quoted, and thought she edited something else.  The comment you're quoting there has already been edited to remove the accusation. 

[Killjoy Cutter]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

That has to suck.

Still has to be better than being a malignant narcisist, and we have at least one of those on this thread. 

Don't be so hard on yourself. Come on.

Well, since you had to go there, I was refering to you, malignant narcisist. 

[AdmiralCheez]

xentar wrote...

As if suicide were a bad thing...

In all seriousness, it's no laughing matter.

Redundant statement is redundant.

[WizenSlinky0]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Sooner or later you have to draw a line.

Honestly, I'm not even entirely arguing against the idea of someone dying. I'll pretty much take whatever Bioware gives me, because as the people with the talent and resources to make the game in the first place, it is their right to create whatever fantasy world best suits their own tastes.

What I am arguing about, is that that line you are drawing, is *fine* in your personal sense. My problem is when you overreach your arguments into assumptions about and for other people, without realizing your own arguments are born of the exact same fantastical elements as everyone else.

Except, instead of your mind thriving on puppies and rainbows, it thrives on bleeding guts falling out of peoples chests. But it is still a "personal" taste that cannot be called superior. It is literally impossible to discuss a superior strategy to creating any form of artwork, writing included, except when discussing the superior way of making money.

AdmiralCheez wrote...
HEY LET'S TALK ABOUT OUR PERSONAL ISSUES OVER THE INTERNET.

But...but...but...I dun wanna cry on teh interwebz!

[rapscallioness]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

Codyacsmith wrote...

Halo Reach is technically a squad-based space hero game for grown-ups. And everyone dies.

Yeah, Saph, go play that.

Yeah, Saph go play that.

And have Kaiser run out to get you some tampons while you're at it! Bwahahaha

[Kaiser Shepard]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

Saphra Deden wrote...

AdmiralCheez wrote...

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

The reverse sums you people up as well: "Oh mighty BioWare, please don't take away my reptilian boyfriendo because I have the mental stability of a certain bald human biotic during her period."

The funny part of all this is that your statement is true.

I really am clinically mentally ill.

And having my period.

Well then you should trust me because I'm not and I'm not.

In case anyone missed it, Saphra entirely misquoted Cheez.

No, s/he didn't.

I missed the post Saphra quoted, and thought she edited something else.  The comment you're quoting there has already been edited to remove the accusation. 

That doesn't change the fact that you mistakenly ad hom'ed poor Saphra.

[Killjoy Cutter]

xentar wrote...

AdmiralCheez wrote...

Saphra Deden wrote...

Well then you should trust me because I'm not and I'm not.

I would if I didn't have grounds to believe you had a worse mental illness than myself.

But seriously, I do have rapid-cycling bipolar disorder and it sucks balls.  Throw that on top of the real-life sh*t and I'm lucky I haven't committed suicide.

HEY LET'S TALK ABOUT OUR PERSONAL ISSUES OVER THE INTERNET.

As if suicide were a bad thing...

Not cool.

[Killjoy Cutter]

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

I missed the post Saphra quoted, and thought she edited something else.  The comment you're quoting there has already been edited to remove the accusation. 

That doesn't change the fact that you mistakenly ad hom'ed poor Saphra.

Not really -- Ad hominem fallacy. 

Modifié par Killjoy Cutter, 23 octobre 2011 - 04:18 .

[Kaiser Shepard]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

That explains a lot, I suppose.

TAKE MY UTERUS, KAISER.

TAKE IT AWAY AND LOCK IT UP UNTIL IT STOPS BEING GROSS.

Also, here, have my f*cked up neurotransmitters.

No but seriously, bipolar sucks forever and you should be glad you don't have it.

Might as well consider ever mental deviation from the norm a disease...

And stay the hell away from me with that thing!

Modifié par Kaiser Shepard, 23 octobre 2011 - 04:16 .

[Killjoy Cutter]

Like I said, I have no problem with a squadmate dying in ME3, as long as it's not unavoidable.  
 

Hell, squadmates can die in ME2. All you have to do is screw up.

If you want squadmates to die in ME3, go screw up. Easy.


Only, that's not what the pro-death people want.  They appear to want both the feeling that they did everything right, and the "drama" of squadmate death. 

Modifié par Killjoy Cutter, 23 octobre 2011 - 04:19 .