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[rapscallioness]

Uh, suicide is a bad thing.

Don't ever friggin' give up! wat r u kidding? Make this life drag you out by the hair. Kicking and screaming goddammit! Never surrender!

Don't ever give up on yourself. Nobody has your back in this world, but you. Don't disrespect yourself. Hell, Saphra's more than willing to do it for you...

[AdmiralCheez]

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

Might as well consider ever mental deviation from the norm a disease...

In my case, it's legit.  I was in a baaaad place a few years back.

And stay the hell away from me with that thing!

My bleeding uterus watches you sleep.

[Codyacsmith]

Edit: Removed because too personal.

Modifié par Codyacsmith, 23 octobre 2011 - 04:19 .

[Kaiser Shepard]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

Kaiser Shepard wrote...
That doesn't change the fact that you mistakenly ad hom'ed poor Saphra.

Not really -- Ad hominem fallacy. 

You attacked his/her person because you were oh so certain Cheez couldn't have typed that herself, thus falsely accussing Saphra of making people say things they didn't.

Modifié par Kaiser Shepard, 23 octobre 2011 - 04:19 .

[Killjoy Cutter]

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

Kaiser Shepard wrote...
That doesn't change the fact that you mistakenly ad hom'ed poor Saphra.

Not really -- Ad hominem fallacy. 

You attacked his/her person because you were oh so certain Cheez couldn't have typed that herself, thus falsely accussing Saphra of making people say things they didn't.

You're missing the other half of the ad hominem fallacy.  Go learn. 

(Hint, I didn't say that misquoting Cheez made her argument invalid or her positions wrong -- which is what you keep doing to anyone who doesn't agree with you.)

Modifié par Killjoy Cutter, 23 octobre 2011 - 04:22 .

[WizenSlinky0]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Good then I'm glad you're on my side.

Well me being on your side would make your side totally SUPER AWESOME, with pools filled of candy, kittens that can drive cars, and an odd little penguin with a sports obsession. The only side I am really on is that of civil discourse, which was lost as soon as you started making broad based assumptions about other people.

As I said, you stopped arguing for your own preferences and started arguing against other peoples. Which also means, the point you want to get across was entirely lost through your own ego.

My personal "preference" would be either:

a.) To be able to directly influence *who* dies through choices made, thereby preventing the *same* person from dying every single time

or

b.) To be given the option to save all immediate party members through a particularly difficult playthrough, perhaps ONLY on the more difficult settings, if they wanted to be lazy about it.

But, I entirely recognize the reasons why those other elements where people die to create drama may in fact be appealing to you. However, I get very sick of having my heartstrings pulled very quickly. Especially these days. But I do get it.

[Killjoy Cutter]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

If you want squadmates to die in ME3, go screw up. Easy.

If you don't want squadmates to die in ME3 then too bad. Easy.

What you want precludes what I want. 

What I want does not preclude what you want. 

[fdgvdddvdfdfbdfb]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

If you want squadmates to die in ME3, go screw up. Easy.

If you don't want squadmates to die in ME3 then too bad. Easy.

lol +50 renegade points Deden.

[Kaiser Shepard]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

Only, that's not what the pro-death people want.  They appear to want both the feeling that they did everything right, and the "drama" of squadmate death.

Doing everything you can do right and people dying are not mutually exclusive, as anyone who has served in the military can tell you, despite what you might believe.

[AdmiralCheez]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

If you want squadmates to die in ME3, go screw up. Easy.

If you don't want squadmates to die in ME3 then too bad. Easy.

There's a bit of a difference here, because technically you can still get what you want with the first option provided you take advantage of it.  Second option, only you win.

Third option: Virmire/SM combo.

[Killjoy Cutter]

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

Only, that's not what the pro-death people want.  They appear to want both the feeling that they did everything right, and the "drama" of squadmate death.

Doing everything you can do right and people dying are not mutually exclusive, as anyone who has served in the military can tell you, despite what you might believe.

And doing everything right and the team surviving are not mutually exclusive either, despite what some on this thread seem to be saying.

[Kaiser Shepard]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

Kaiser Shepard wrote...
That doesn't change the fact that you mistakenly ad hom'ed poor Saphra.

Not really -- Ad hominem fallacy. 

You attacked his/her person because you were oh so certain Cheez couldn't have typed that herself, thus falsely accussing Saphra of making people say things they didn't.

You're missing the other half of the ad hominem fallacy.  Go learn.

You implied that made her argument invalid.

What is this, kindergarten?

[Killjoy Cutter]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

What you want precludes what I want. 

What I want does not preclude what you want. 

Yes, what you want does preclude what I want. 

You want squadmates to die. 

How does the option to get them all through alive preclude their deaths? 

[AdmiralCheez]

Okay so I am sick of Saph and Kaiser bullying everyone, and I'm sick of Killjoy being a dick.

I think it's time to request a lockdown. This has gotten way too hostile.

[Killjoy Cutter]

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

That doesn't change the fact that you mistakenly ad hom'ed poor Saphra.

Not really -- Ad hominem fallacy. 

You attacked his/her person because you were oh so certain Cheez couldn't have typed that herself, thus falsely accussing Saphra of making people say things they didn't.

You're missing the other half of the ad hominem fallacy.  Go learn.

You implied that made her argument invalid.

Where, in the post you're refering to, did I say anything about her argument or position? 

[WizenSlinky0]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

You want squadmates to die. 

How does the option to get them all through alive preclude their deaths? 

You're misunderstanding. What he appears to want, is that the 'perfect ending' be particularly grusome. If there exists an option where they don't die, he no longer has what he wants.

People with fierce passionate opinions do not like the existance of alternative options.

[Kmead15]

Saphra Deden wrote...

I'm arguing that I want will ultimately be to the benefit for more people than just myself, including many of my detractors. I'm arguing that I wnat will make the game better.

While I agree that people close to the protagonist dying can help make a story more emotionally engaging, I don't agree that it is needed to do so. In fact, sometimes it has the opposite effect. If you aren't careful when you kill a character off, the audience is likely to respond in ways the writers weren't intending. This results in a disconnect between the emotions the story is trying to convey and the emotions the viewers are experiencing, and can severely detract from a work.

[AdmiralCheez]

Saphra Deden wrote...

No, what you are describing is exactly what ME2 was. Yet to do that I have to behave rather unnaturally and actually work towards that squadmate dying. A little odd, don't you think?

You would definitely behave in such a way, if your posts here are any indicator of your personality.

In any case if that was what I wanted then I'd feel satisifed with what ME2 did... but clearly I am not satisfied.

You're never satisfied.  I think ME2 would have been a deeper experience for everyone if the mechanics of the SM weren't so transparent.

[Killjoy Cutter]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

Okay so I am sick of Saph and Kaiser bullying everyone, and I'm sick of Killjoy being a dick.

I think it's time to request a lockdown. This has gotten way too hostile.

"Being a dick" -- is that what we call standing up to the people doing the bullying now?  Is that what it is to not let their behavior go uncommented upon?

[Kaiser Shepard]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

That doesn't change the fact that you mistakenly ad hom'ed poor Saphra.

Not really -- Ad hominem fallacy. 

You attacked his/her person because you were oh so certain Cheez couldn't have typed that herself, thus falsely accussing Saphra of making people say things they didn't.

You're missing the other half of the ad hominem fallacy.  Go learn.

You implied that made her argument invalid.

Where, in the post you're refering to, did I say anything about her argument or position?

Why else would you make said post like that?

AdmiralCheez wrote...

Okay so I am sick of Saph and Kaiser bullying everyone, and I'm sick of Killjoy being a dick.

So disagreeing with someone equals bullying now? Well, that actually isn't too surprising, as it seems to be only requirement for someone being a "troll" nowadays as well.