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[WizenSlinky0]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

AdmiralCheez wrote...

Okay so I am sick of Saph and Kaiser bullying everyone, and I'm sick of Killjoy being a dick.

I think it's time to request a lockdown. This has gotten way too hostile.

"Being a dick" -- is that what we call standing up to the people doing the bullying now?  Is that what it is to not let their behavior go uncommented upon?

Just because something may or may not be true, does not generally give one the right to express it in anger.

Basically, when you began applying the same strategy as they did, with insults...you lost the battle.

If you can't get through to somebody through civil discourse, then angry discourse isn't going to get through any better. Fact!

[Xilizhra]

"Being a dick" -- is that what we call standing up to the people doing the bullying now? Is that what it is to not let their behavior go uncommented upon?

So disagreeing with someone equals bullying now? Well, that actually isn't too surprising, as it seems to be only requirement for someone being a "troll" nowadays as well.

That's uncanny, I have to admit.

[AdmiralCheez]

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

So disagreeing with someone equals bullying now? Well, that actually isn't too surprising, as it seems to be only requirement for someone being a "troll" nowadays as well.

You're not just disagreeing, Kaiser.  You actually cut me pretty deep back there with the "hurr durr you must be mentally ill and having your period OH YOU ARE well that explains a lot."  I was able to goof off and take it in stride, and you were probably being pretty light-heated about it, but yeah, that was bullying.

I don't think there's a word for what Saph's doing other than douchedom.

[Killjoy Cutter]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

How does the option to get them all through alive preclude their deaths? 

Gee, I don't know, how does someone being alive at the preclude them being dead?

Anyway I just explained this in my last post (which you probably didn't see).

If the death is optional then it feels unnatural because it is something I have to actually work and plan for.

When I beat ME2 the first time nobody died (except the ship crew). I had no idea how to do the suicide mission but I still pulled it off perfectly.

Well, first of all, stop listening to the marketing crap about it being a "suicide mission". 

I didn't even let the crew die on my first playthrough.  I took the idea of being ready for it seriously, actually huried to save the Normandy crew, and picked the obvious choices for the specialist roles once on the base.  


At any rate, we're back to where it seems that you're saying you want to have your cake and choke on it too, that you want to be able to play ME3 over and over, do as well as the game will allow you to do, make no mistakes, and still see squadies snuffed out every time by unavoidable events. 
 

[AdmiralCheez]

Xilizhra wrote...

"Being a dick" -- is that what we call standing up to the people doing the bullying now? Is that what it is to not let their behavior go uncommented upon?

So disagreeing with someone equals bullying now? Well, that actually isn't too surprising, as it seems to be only requirement for someone being a "troll" nowadays as well.

That's uncanny, I have to admit.

OH IT FREAKED YOU OUT TOO?

[Xilizhra]

I was able to goof off and take it in stride

I honestly don't believe that was necessary, or deserved.

[Killjoy Cutter]

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

That doesn't change the fact that you mistakenly ad hom'ed poor Saphra.

Not really -- Ad hominem fallacy. 

You attacked his/her person because you were oh so certain Cheez couldn't have typed that herself, thus falsely accussing Saphra of making people say things they didn't.

You're missing the other half of the ad hominem fallacy.  Go learn.

You implied that made her argument invalid.

Where, in the post you're refering to, did I say anything about her argument or position?

Why else would you make said post like that?

Because at the time I thought it was true, and misquoting other people is about as low as you can get, and if it were up to me those little "fixed" and "edited" posts would be banning offenses. 

[Killjoy Cutter]

Kaiser Shepard wrote...
So disagreeing with someone equals bullying now? Well, that actually isn't too surprising, as it seems to be only requirement for someone being a "troll" nowadays as well.

If you were just simply disagreeing with people, that wouldn't make you a troll or a bully, and I'd call out anyone who said you were either one. 

But that's so far from what you actually get up to. 

[WizenSlinky0]

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

So disagreeing with someone equals
bullying now? Well, that actually isn't too surprising, as it seems to
be only requirement for someone being a "troll" nowadays as well.

One can disagree and still maintain a decent attitude about it. No one is expected to agree, about well anything, if you look at the world that's a damn fact.

But when people get the idea that disagreeing and insulting somebodies personal self because of their stance on an issue aren't the same thing, they at that point become at the very wrong side of an argument.

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

At any rate, we're back to where
it seems that you're saying you want to have your cake and choke on it
too, that you want to be able to play ME3 over and over, do as well as
the game will allow you to do, make no mistakes, and still see squadies
snuffed out every time by unavoidable events.

What he wants isn't an issue, you shouldn't view it as one if you can help it. That is what he likes.

How he goes about expressing that desire is an issue. And well, of course the inflexibility.

[AdmiralCheez]

Saphra Deden wrote...

What are you talking about? I've been nice for several pages now. My "final warning" after all. I can't say the same for several other people.

"YOU SHOULD LISTEN TO EVERYTHING I SAY BECAUSE YOU ARE EMOTIONALLY UNSTABLE AND I AM NOT.  THAT MAKES ME A BETTER PERSON AND I AM ALWAYS RIGHT."

Suuuure.

However that's pretty common.

It is, it's not just you, and that's why I requested a lockdown.

Anyway, if you don't like the thread just leave.

I'm the OP.  This mess is my fault.  I have a responsibility to it.

[Killjoy Cutter]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

At any rate, we're back to where it seems that you're saying you want to have your cake and choke on it too, that you want to be able to play ME3 over and over, do as well as the game will allow you to do, make no mistakes, and still see squadies snuffed out every time by unavoidable events. 
 

Why yes. I want an enemy smart and capable enough to rob me of the choice to save everyone from time to time. Not an enemy that Shepard can walk all over.

Billions dead on Earth that you can't do anything about, and Shep running away while it happens, says this isn't a walkover.

[Xilizhra]

It is, it's not just you, and that's why I requested a lockdown.

Well, we could always kick the insults up a notch to bring the mods down faster.

[Killjoy Cutter]

Saphra Deden wrote...

AdmiralCheez wrote...

I don't think there's a word for what Saph's doing other than douchedom.

What are you talking about? I've been nice for several pages now. My "final warning" after all. I can't say the same for several other people.

Going on and on about your superior judgement?  LoL.

[WizenSlinky0]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Why yes. I want an enemy smart and capable enough to rob me of the choice to save everyone from time to time. Not an enemy that Shepard can walk all over.

You are still missing the point that these are many roads to creating that exact scenario, and each of those roads involves different things.

There is no one road to creating an atmosphere of defeat and war exhaustion.

Your preffered road, is that, preffered.

[Kaiser Shepard]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

So disagreeing with someone equals bullying now? Well, that actually isn't too surprising, as it seems to be only requirement for someone being a "troll" nowadays as well.

You're not just disagreeing, Kaiser.  You actually cut me pretty deep back there with the "hurr durr you must be mentally ill and having your period OH YOU ARE well that explains a lot."  I was able to goof off and take it in stride, and you were probably being pretty light-heated about it, but yeah, that was bullying.

I merely jokingly summed up Paragons in general, you were the one that suddenly went "OH BUT I AM ALL THAT".

I don't think there's a word for what Saph's doing other than douchedom.

"Realist" sums him up pretty well.

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

Kaiser Shepard wrote...
So disagreeing with someone equals bullying now? Well, that actually isn't too surprising, as it seems to be only requirement for someone being a "troll" nowadays as well.

If you were just simply disagreeing with people, that wouldn't make you a troll or a bully, and I'd call out anyone who said you were either one.  

But that's so far from what you actually get up to.

I am just simply disagreeing with people. Not that I really give a damn about what people on BSN (and the internet) call me, as I've already been called many things I'm not on here.

Modifié par Kaiser Shepard, 23 octobre 2011 - 04:48 .

[rapscallioness]

Well, okay. Truth is this is not an actual "argument" in the strictest sense. As in some kind of debate? Lol. This isn't a debate. We aren't in a debate club. There haven't been any "logical", "analytical" arguments for this. And I doubt there could be for such a subjective viewpoint.

All we're talking about is what we feel is better. Based on the feelings a particular ending would evoke. One is not better than the other. I prefer mine, and others prefer theirs. It's up to BW to see if they can swing it both ways. And have it be good. (There were certain scenes in DA2 that were completely unnecessary; not story focused; and felt like cheap shot at my heart.)