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[Killjoy Cutter]

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

AdmiralCheez wrote...

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

Well, it seemed like the most obvious to add make Jack's mental instavility look even worse. Don't think I've ever (indirectly) been called a "sexist" on here, though, but I guess I can put it on my list.

It's an exclusively female thing you used to make her "look even worse."  If she were a man, you wouldn't have said that.  You have linked being female to being weak.

And in doing so, Kaiser, you also flat out said that anyone who doesn't want squadmate slaughter in ME3 has that preference because they are weak, unstable, emotionally troubled, and need to be coddled.

You're putting words in other peoples' mouths again, as I never said they needed to be coddled.

"Why, you stuck up, half-witted, scruffy-looking Nerf herder!"
"Who are you calling scruffy looking?" 

[WizenSlinky0]

Saphra Deden wrote...

WizenSlinky0 wrote...

The definition of compromise is giving up something in exchange for something else, as in, giving up something YOU Want to appease someone else and get something ELSE you want.

Okay, if he kills a squadmate I'll bring a different one back. The other VS survived Virmire somehow. There.

What is this, Gundam?

[Killjoy Cutter]

Saphra Deden wrote...

To its detriment. Mass Effect keeps lying to me and I'm getting tired of it.

"Maybe this isn't the game for you." 

[Kaiser Shepard]

[quote]WizenSlinky0 wrote...

Far from it, unfortunately, as even that series doesn't such a ridiculous amount of plot armor and fan pandering as ME does.

Modifié par Kaiser Shepard, 23 octobre 2011 - 05:31 .

[Seboist]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

Saphra Deden wrote...

To its detriment. Mass Effect keeps lying to me and I'm getting tired of it.

"Maybe this isn't the game for you." 

True, there's real men's games out there like Witcher and Deus Ex.

[rapscallioness]

Cthulhu42 wrote...

rapscallioness wrote...

WizenSlinky0 wrote...

Saphra Deden wrote...

In any case, I never said the squadmate dying was the ONLY way to create drama. However I feel there is still a difference between colonists dying and someone personally close to Shepard. One of his team. That is a death that the player feels, either emotionally, or even through game-play. Like having a powerful squadmate you rely on... and now when you need the most they're gone.

There is a difference. I agree with that.

However, I also feel death to be a cop out emotionally in games, and a sign of weak writing sometimes. It is a short zing, compared to the longer process where you actually get to see the characters have to live through the emotional trauma of the wounds they've gotten, what they've lost, and how their personality changes in such a high stress enviroment.

I'd much rather see the squadmates live and be written so that I can see these changes, on their faces, in their voices, and in their writing. Its more interesting and lasts a lot longer emotionally, seeing someone who has been "close" to shepard for one or two games suddenly have to deal with the tragedy of it all.

Now that I like. That was my main problem w/ the Shep resurrection thing.....there was no impact. Shepard lost alot in those 2 years, and after. And the whole thing would be traumatic for anybody. But Shep just shrugs it all off.

That's because it wouldn't actually be traumatic. Shepard remembers the Normandy blowing up, and the next thing he/she knows, he/she is waking up on the Lazarus Station. From Shepard's perspective, it's like he/she just passed out and then woke up.

The whole thing is just a plot device to skip time forward two years anyway.

Yeah, I know it was a plot device. Too bad they didn't put some plot in there...No, but uh, I understand Shep was gone during that time, but Shep still went thru a pretty traumatic death, or near death experience.

Then Shep wakes up, it's been 2 years; their LI has skipped out; they're stuck w/ Cerberus; They're cut off from Alliance/the Council (And i know some players liked that, but still) everything Shep has known is upside down.  But it's no big deal.

Edit: and oh, there's no questions about what was possibly done to Shpeard. Some extra bits and pieces? Wha..?

Modifié par rapscallioness, 23 octobre 2011 - 05:33 .

[AdmiralCheez]

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

Didn't mean to, nor do I do that on a regular basis.

Check yourself before you wreck yourself.

What, that time of the month suddenly isn't a time of relative emotional instability anymore?

Nope.  For like 90% of women, "time of month" is just, "meh, I guess I'll go easy on the salt and wear my ugly panties for the next three days."

That was a joke. But aside from that, I'll be the one to decide whether or not I make fun of my own or others' characteristics. I don't do it too often to begin with, let aside on the internet, but I'll be the one to decide that.

I advocate not being mean on principle.  What you decide is up to you, but I don't have to like it, and when you start making those kinds of jokes it gets a lot less fun to be around you for a lot of us here.

Well, you called yourself that there first. And if memory serves I said something to the extent that you didn't seem like that on your picture, and were probably being insecure.

200+ pounds at 5'6''.  If one is going to objectively measure fatness, I am fat.  It just doesn't go to my face, and all you saw was my face.  Meh, if it weren't for the health issues I might develop later in life, whatever.  My fat gave me ******.

But you calling me "a chubby" was out of line, regardless of whether or not you thought I looked like one.  That's a slur, and not a nice one.

[Killjoy Cutter]

Seboist wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

Saphra Deden wrote...

To its detriment. Mass Effect keeps lying to me and I'm getting tired of it.

"Maybe this isn't the game for you." 

True, there's real men's games out there like Witcher and Deus Ex.

You do realize I was paraphrasing Saphra's earlier comment to me? 

[xentar]

rapscallioness wrote...

Cthulhu42 wrote...

xentar wrote...

Cthulhu42 wrote...

Um, yes, death is a bad thing. In what way would it be good? (can't believe this is actually being debated)

In that it ends life which is eternal suffering, of course. Naturally, good and bad are relaive things, so, this approach may not. work for everyone.

Don't be overdramatic; life isn't "endless suffering", and not just because it isn't endless.

Xentar, is this some philosophical view, or are you about to put a gun to your head?

If you're about to put a gun to your head...DON'T DO IT! Goddammit! Don't do it. Life does get better...then it gets bad again...then it gets better...and so on. That's just the way it is. It cycles just like everything else. And no, life isn't fair, but it can be good.

If this is philosophical...well, death may not end life per se. It will end life as you know it. But then what do we all really know anyway?

Well, guns are difficult to obtain in Russia, especially with my knd of views. As for the cycle, it never gets satisfying due to the way our brains work, so, it cannot be good. It's a cycle between bad and worse.

[Kaiser Shepard]

Xilizhra wrote...

What, that time of the month suddenly isn't a time of relative emotional instability anymore?

It isn't always such, it isn't relevant to character and your bringing it up as some type of inherent weakness is idiocy.

Well, when most of your kind change so radically in behaviour that I can't help but notice it, clearly something is wrong.

Seboist wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

Saphra Deden wrote...

To its detriment. Mass Effect keeps lying to me and I'm getting tired of it.

"Maybe this isn't the game for you."  

True, there's real men's games out there like Witcher and Deus Ex.

Ah damn it, now I feel like playing Deus Ex again.

Modifié par Kaiser Shepard, 23 octobre 2011 - 05:36 .

[jeweledleah]

WizenSlinky0 wrote...

Saphra Deden wrote...

WizenSlinky0 wrote...

The definition of compromise is giving up something in exchange for something else, as in, giving up something YOU Want to appease someone else and get something ELSE you want.

Okay, if he kills a squadmate I'll bring a different one back. The other VS survived Virmire somehow. There.

What is this, Gundam?

"Maker decided it wasn't my time" Leliana

"you only thought you saw me die" Anders

be thankful that ME is not written by DA team

[Killjoy Cutter]

Cthulhu42 wrote...

Saphra Deden wrote...

WizenSlinky0 wrote...

The definition of compromise is giving up something in exchange for something else, as in, giving up something YOU Want to appease someone else and get something ELSE you want.

Okay, if he kills a squadmate I'll bring a different one back. The other VS survived Virmire somehow. There.

I don't think anyone, pro-death or anti-death, wants that to happen.

Indeed.  Two wrongs don't make a right.

[Seboist]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

Seboist wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

Saphra Deden wrote...

To its detriment. Mass Effect keeps lying to me and I'm getting tired of it.

"Maybe this isn't the game for you." 

True, there's real men's games out there like Witcher and Deus Ex.

You do realize I was paraphrasing Saphra's earlier comment to me? 

And?

[AdmiralCheez]

Saphra Deden wrote...

In essence yes, I didn't really have a choice. I'm not close to many people in the first place though. I don't think I could find six people I'm close to kill off.

Well that sucks.  I'd suggest reaching out to others more.  I didn't have a choice with all the people in my life, either.  I caught myself getting detached to some, but others, I didn't have time.  And it hurt.

Different strokes for different folks, but I don't do pain for pleasure.

To its detriment. Mass Effect keeps lying to me and I'm getting tired of it.

Well, maybe you should invest in a new series, then.

[CuseGirl]

rapscallioness wrote...
Yeah, I know it was a plot device. Too bad they didn't put some plot in there...No, but uh, I understand Shep was gone during that time, but Shep still went thru a pretty traumatic death, or near death experience.

Then Shep wakes up, it's been 2 years; their LI has skipped out; they're stuck w/ Cerberus; They're cut off from Alliance/the Council (And i know some players liked that, but still) everything Shep has known is upside down.  But it's no big deal.

Edit: and oh, there's no questions about what was possibly done to Shpeard. Some extra bits and pieces? Wha..?

yea, they could have spliced in one or two scenes where Shep is thawing out in his cabin and thinking "wtf just happened" or a scene where he gets pissed at Miranda or Jacob because he's not moving the mission along fast enuff.....

[Killjoy Cutter]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

"Maybe this isn't the game for you." 

At this point I do wonder that's why I'm not preordering it.

See, there's something we can agree on.  I'm not preordering it either, as it might not be the game for me.

[WizenSlinky0]

Kaiser Shepard wrote...
Far from it, unfortunately, as even that series doesn't such a ridiculous amount of plot armor and fan pandering as ME does.

Oh I'd so disagree. Sad part, was it was still interesting to watch.

But I've never seen anything but comic books treat death like such a game as the series.

If you're going to kill someone, man up and keep them dead.

AdmiralCheez wrote...

200+ pounds at 5'6''.  If one is
going to objectively measure fatness, I am fat.  It just doesn't go to
my face, and all you saw was my face.  Meh, if it weren't for the health
issues I might develop later in life, whatever.  My fat gave me ******.

But
you calling me "a chubby" was out of line, regardless of whether or not
you thought I looked like one.  That's a slur, and not a nice one.

Fat is what society calls people that doesn't wear it well. Anything worn well, denies all technicalities. Lalala~

"Oh dear lord" is what society calls people who will collapse an elevator. 'Course you've got to hit the guiness book of world records for that.

[CuseGirl]

i'm not pre-ordering because i dont have 60 bucks to plop down and i'm sure it'll need one or two patches before i'll be ready to play it

[Killjoy Cutter]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

Saphra Deden wrote...

In essence yes, I didn't really have a choice. I'm not close to many people in the first place though. I don't think I could find six people I'm close to kill off.

Well that sucks.  I'd suggest reaching out to others more.  I didn't have a choice with all the people in my life, either.  I caught myself getting detached to some, but others, I didn't have time.  And it hurt.

Different strokes for different folks, but I don't do pain for pleasure.

Neither do I.  At all. 

Personally, I've stopped reaching out as much as I can.  At this point, I don't get attached to anything I'm not already attached to. 

[rapscallioness]

Saphra Deden wrote...

WizenSlinky0 wrote...

The definition of compromise is giving up something in exchange for something else, as in, giving up something YOU Want to appease someone else and get something ELSE you want.

Okay, if he kills a squadmate I'll bring a different one back. The other VS survived Virmire somehow. There.

Lol!

[WizenSlinky0]

jeweledleah wrote...

"Maker decided it wasn't my time" Leliana

"you only thought you saw me die" Anders

be thankful that ME is not written by DA team

Woah, anders talks!?

Oh wait, I guess he had to do something when I left him home for every mission.

Saphra Deden wrote...


Well isn't that sweet. At this
point, unless I have a sudden influx of cash, I figure I'll wait and see
what certain people I respect think of the game before deciding to buy
it or not.

Aww, its so sweetr of you to talk about me like that! I appreciate it!

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

AdmiralCheez wrote...

Saphra Deden wrote...

In
essence yes, I didn't really have a choice. I'm not close to many
people in the first place though. I don't think I could find six people
I'm close to kill off.

Well that sucks.  I'd suggest
reaching out to others more.  I didn't have a choice with all the people
in my life, either.  I caught myself getting detached to some, but
others, I didn't have time.  And it hurt.

Different strokes for different folks, but I don't do pain for pleasure.

Neither do I.  At all. 

Personally,
I've stopped reaching out as much as I can.  At this point, I don't get
attached to anything I'm not already attached to. 

Is that what I'm supposed to be doing? 'Cause, I seem to have this habit of just getting attached to something else. Is not healthy, I tell you.