Saphra Deden wrote...
DiebytheSword wrote...
How many than would be enough to make your story realistic and having gravity enough to satiate your need for drama? And which would you pick to die?
Let's say at least one, if it carries enough weight. I'm talking main characters, as in Shepard's squad and possibly Joker. Shepard's ME3 squad, that is.
Of the survivors of ME2 I don't think it would be fair to kill them. I mean, how many hoops do they need to jump through? Though personally I'd have both Thane and Mordin succumb to their mentality, but give them sort of a Yoda send-off. You know, impart some last minute wisdom/intel that will save lives. Or maybe Miranda, if she dies to save her sister. Life for a life.
Do you feel that death is the only way to achieve drama? Or is it the way you would like it to transpire. Trajedy is only one type of drama. As for the fairness of ME2 characters dying, death is constant, and also never fair. Death does not play favorites. I appreciate that you wish for the death to have meaning, and I agree, a pointless death is death for death's sake. It was one of my largest complaints about the last Matrix movie (of which there were many, mind you). I felt that Trinity's death served no purpose other than to ensure that Neo would see the final battle alone. If the choices are not always in our hands, then you can't favor the ME2 characters living over ME1 characters. I realize that I asked for your choice regardless, but I'm illustrating the point that we all have connections to these characters, and that does not make we that want an option for everyone to live care bears.
AdmiralCheez wrote...
Saphra Deden wrote...
Sorry, I'm not buying it. You're there for them because you need to be. It gives you sense of self-worth. Oh sure, it can be frustrating, but it is a mutually needful relationship. Thus your statement about "when we all stand together". Which Care Bear were you?
Not really. I've just, you know, been lonely and depressed before, and I don't like it when other people are lonely and depressed. There are times when I wished I had a shoulder try cry on, and I didn't. So I provide that shoulder so fewer people feel like sh*t. Because feeling like sh*t sucks.
People who help others just to feel good about themselves are kind of pricks, in my experience.
I too try to help people as often as I can. It is my religious outlook, and my self imposed morality that drives me to do so, not some misguided need to help myself. Some people cannot accept that others do things without strings attached, those people are clearly illustrated in Jack's dialogue in ME2. Its funny, but I've helped people out of many situations that Cheez is alluding to.
I have broken down, without a ride, thus I stop at disabled vehicles and offer help.
I have had heartbreak, and share my experience with others to help them decide their course of action.
I have had depression, and self loathing, and I am stronger for it than ever before, but I could not see where I am now from where I was then. Some people need that perspective, and I offer it without condition or judgement.
I can identify strongly then, with Cheez's stance.
I do support everyone getting what they want in their game, however. And I understand that the suicide mission could have been handled much better in as far as unintended casualties.
...but you are doing it to feel good about yourself. It gives you a warm feeling. It allievates the lingering pain from when you needed that support and didn't have it.
Ah yes, "lingering pain", we have already dismissed such claims.
In all seriousness, I have never done that to heal my own wounds, only out of the ability to see others and place myself in their shoes. To see things from someone else's perspective and act in the most mutually beneficial way is not only to do something truly good for the world, but to do something that is the very cornerstone of our society.
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