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[Kaiser Shepard]

Omega4RelayResident wrote...

Oh and BTW Ghandi never achieved anything by being altruistic... oh wait.

Please explain how exactly Gandhi was altruistic.

[Biotic Sage]

nitefyre410 wrote...

Il Divo wrote...

For my ending to have meaning, you can't have your ending.

..... /Facepalm 

Facepalm to you sir.  It's not entitlement, it's just reason.  He's allowed to argue what his version of a game that has a quality narrative is.

[ThePwener]

And this huge thread is about.....?

[Omega4RelayResident]

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

Omega4RelayResident wrote...

Oh and BTW Ghandi never achieved anything by being altruistic... oh wait.

Please explain how exactly Gandhi was altruistic.

A peacfull man who wanted something better for his people but knew violence was a crude tool for progress. Yes he felt like a failure.

Okay fine Ghandi may not have been a pristine example for this discussion based on the fact that people have to pick every little thing appart like buzzads over a carcass. Fine I will give you an undisputable example of altruism in its finest... and succeeding.

Nelson Mandela

[Medhia Nox]

- He spent a lot of time in jail. (because he was fighting against injustice)

- He was severely beaten several times. (for the same)

- He fought against the injustices leveled at the untouchables.

- He fought against the injustices leveled at women.

- He fought against Western automation which was destroying what little economy India had. He was trying to give Indians jobs.

====

If my testimony isn't good enough for you, how about a quote from Albert Einstein:

"You have shown through your works, that it is possible to succeed without violence even with those who have not discarded the method of violence. We may hope that your example will spread beyond the borders of your country, and will help to establish an international authority, respected by all, that will take decisions and replace war conflicts.
With sincere admiration,
Yours A. Einstein."

"Generations to come will scarce believe that such a one as [Gandhi] ever in flesh and blood walked upon this earth." - Albert Einstein

Modifié par Medhia Nox, 15 octobre 2011 - 01:52 .

[Soul Cool]

ThePwener wrote...

And this huge thread is about.....?

It is a thread. About things. But nothing useful. Or serious.

[Medhia Nox]

@Soul Cool: Everything I say is completely and utterly serious! SERIOUSLY!

Modifié par Medhia Nox, 15 octobre 2011 - 01:54 .

[Saaziel]

Soul Cool wrote...

ThePwener wrote...

And this huge thread is about.....?

It is a thread. About things. But nothing useful. Or serious. {smilie}

Brilliant. I'm keeping this for further uses!

[Soul Cool]

Medhia Nox wrote...

@Soul Cool: Everything is say is completely and utterly serious! SERIOUSLY!

As you say.

[Omega4RelayResident]

Soul Cool wrote...

ThePwener wrote...

And this huge thread is about.....?

It is a thread. About things. But nothing useful. Or serious.

Just like all threads... pointless debates over things we cant change because BioWare will do what they want no matter how much we complain.

[Medhia Nox]

You know what this thread needs?

*PARAGON HUG*

[Quething]

Has this finally devolved completely into iteration #87764234 of the paragon/renegade fight? Took longer than I thought it would.

(Cheez is still right about the actual topic.)

Modifié par Quething, 15 octobre 2011 - 01:58 .

[Biotic Sage]

This will be my last post in the thread since I've heard all there is to hear and said all I've needed to say on this topic. I leave with this:

The people who want there to be a possibility for a playthrough in which Shepard and co. all live say their enjoyment of the story will be dampened by deaths of characters. Me and the people who share my views say that that our enjoyment of the story will be dampened if there is no character death. Both sides have legitimate points, and I definitely understand where each side is coming from.

However, the people who use the "entitlement" argument are being childish hypocrites, and the people who use the "we can both get what we want!" argument are apparently incapable of or not interested in understanding mutual exclusivity. Both of these games cannot exist simultaneously: Bioware will be making the decision to include a possibility for no deaths or to not include that possibility; it's not an issue that can be compromised on.

Now discuss away. I shall take my respectful leave of those who have respectfully and logically discussed their views, and my frustrated/exasperated leave of those who have shouted "entitlement!" and refused to acknowledge logic.

[Omega4RelayResident]

Quething wrote...

Has this finally devolved completely into iteration #87764234 of the paragon/renegade fight? Took longer than I thought it would.

(Cheez is still right about the actual topic.)

No not really... human history has shown that altruistic people have accomplished great deeds... these people come along very rarely and are the exception to the rules that society follows.

Shepard is that exception. Its an argument based around personal experince without taking the whole of human history into effect. Based on that I can not agree with the argument.

[Soul Cool]

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

whyyyyyyyyyyyyyy are we arguing altruism...we should probably stick to the game.

Never played with an altruistic Shepard?

[onelifecrisis]

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

whyyyyyyyyyyyyyy are we arguing altruism...we should probably stick to the game.

It's all Golden Owl's fault.

[Kaiser Shepard]

Okay, so unless I skimmed this page too quickly and missed the third so-called altruist, we now have two people who acted in their own interests, one of whom is the world's most well known pacifist.

[ThePwener]

Great thread you guys have here. Makes me wonder what made me log in tonight. Why do I keep coming here?

On Topic(?): What does altruistic mean? Serious question.

[Omega4RelayResident]

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

Okay, so unless I skimmed this page too quickly and missed the third so-called altruist, we now have two people who acted in their own interests, one of whom is the world's most well known pacifist.

Nelson Mandela's actions were "acts in own self interest" how?... I fail to see the logic behind calling him selfish.