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[Deus Ex N7]

What roles do Garrus, Thane, Samara, Tali and Legion cover? Also which squad members are good tech and biotic teamates?

[CoffeeHolic93]

Garrus covers stripping (Area Overload), minor CC (concussive shot/blast) and can boost your own weapon damage (Squad Armor piercing). Out of these I'd go with concussive blast, Area Overload and then max his passive.

Thane covers Warp-Detonations and barrier stripping (unstable warp), CC (Throw) and an unhelpful ammo-power which I won't mention. Go for Throw Warp and Passive.

Samara can CC (throw/pull) and strip (reave). Personally I go for
2 - Throw
4 - Pull field
3 - Passive
4 - Area Reave.

Tali and Legion both cover CC (drone and hacking). They differentiate in the weapons they have avaiable and their bonus power. Legion can get the widow and Geth Shield Boost which makes me favor him. Tali gets Energy Drain, and the area version works like Area Overload. Hope this helps.

[Deus Ex N7]

I love Garrus to bits so I want to keep him but would he fit in my squad as a Infiltrator. I want a Biotic or CC now so I can't figure out mine

[Deus Ex N7]

So what would you recommend me having as my two squadmates

[Deus Ex N7]

Who do you recommend as the best two squadmenbers to take to make Insanity easier btw I love Garrus

[CoffeeHolic93]

iOnlySignIn wrote...

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(5) Samara is da bomb. Samara is OP. REAVE REAVE REAVE.

Something I totally forgot mentioning. Area Reave covers three bases. Defense-stripping, Crowd Control AND healing Samara. Maxing her passive and Reave to 4 is solid if, as iOnly says OP. Can't go wrong with Samara, especially on collector/bloodpack missions.

Edit: This can work in tandem with Garrus. An example would be:

Against shields
Garrus: *Area Overload* Strip
Samara: *Pull Field/ Area Reave* CC

Against armor/barrier
Samara: *Area Reave* Strip (Never actually used this, but I think that it doesn't strip defenses completely. Can someone confirm this?)
Garrus: *Concussive blast* The CC isn't great, but it's CC all the same.

Keep in mind that Garrus doesn't work effectively on every mission, but he shines versus shields.  :happy:

Modifié par Mi-Chan, 08 octobre 2011 - 06:56 .

[Random70]

Mi-Chan wrote...

Samara: *Area Reave* Strip (Never actually used this, but I think that it doesn't strip defenses completely. Can someone confirm this?)

With 6/6 Biotic upgrades, Samara's Area Reave will strip Armor / Barrier off basic troops through Lvl 29. It will not at Lvl 30. Switch her to 'Heavy' at that point.

[CoffeeHolic93]

Random70 wrote...

With 6/6 Biotic upgrades, Samara's Area Reave will strip Armor / Barrier off basic troops through Lvl 29. It will not at Lvl 30. Switch her to 'Heavy' at that point.

Noted, thank you for clarifying. 

[Deus Ex N7]

So because Samara's Reave is OP and she can weild AR's then she is amazing choice for the Biotic/CC role in my team i'm guessing but for my Tech, i know alot of you have posted alot about them but i am probably makign it ahrder for myself by doign this but i have Garrus. I mean does anyone know how i can incoperate him into my squad, maybe have a build that makes him more efficient or better at his role?

[Simbacca]

I think you're extremely overthinking a fairly simple game.  What are each squadmates' roles?  Just look at their skills, they each only have 3 of them.  What is the best squad for an insanity infiltrator run?  There is no one best squad.  On any playthrough, on any difficutly, with any class Shepard, you should be using whatever squadmates you feel will work best on each individual mission.  It is very rare to develop a Shepard that will use just one squad and that same squad the entire game in ME2 (not to mention impossible due to loyalty missions).

If you'd like to see lvl 30 squadmate build examples, i've updated my post in the old team building thread here.

Modifié par Simbacca, 08 octobre 2011 - 04:37 .

[AK404]

Sim is right: you're over-thinking things. Who is or is not a good teammate has less to do with powers and weapon choices than it does with straight up positioning and strategy. (Look up thisisme's "Controlling the Battlefield" series on youtube for an excellent example of this.)

In short, it all depends on your playstyle. Me, I like using Miranda and Kasumi, but I also like using Garrus and Thane. Or Thane and Kasumi. Or Tali and Thane. Or Samara and Tali...you get the point.

[Darkstar Aurora]

@iOnlySignIn

Actually, Jack’s biotic amp upgrade does affect her powers, just like all other biotic damage upgrades. This is both in terms of kinetic velocity (and subsequent damage) of Shockwave, and in resistance damage inflicted by either power when used on shielded enemies. I also think it is likely that damage upgrades affect collision damage with Pull as well, but this is more difficult to test. Regardless, that extra 20% bonus (which stacks with the other six biotic damage upgrades) can mean the difference between an enemy landing on the ground with a fraction of health, and an enemy landing on the ground as a corpse. Enemies AI are just as deadly with their aim when they have 10% health as they are when they have full health and shields, so deliberately skipping a damage bonus is simply inadvisable, especially when you can afford it...which links to the next point:

The prison ship Purgatory, where you recruit Jack, orbits the planet Erinle. That planet is rich in element zero and yields approximately 8,000+ units of it. To put it in perspective, that is enough element zero to research ALL of the combined biotic/tech damage upgrades you will find between Freedom’s Progress and Horizon, without extra exploration or fuel costs.

Mordin omni-tool 3,000
Subject Zero biotic boost 3,000
Tech Damage 500 (Dossier: Archangel)
Tech Damage 1,000 (Kasumi: Stolen Memory)
Biotic Damage 500 (Horizon)

The only other reason anyone would need to hoard element zero at this point in the game is if they change their advance training powers after every few missions, which means they already have enough bonus element zero from their first play through to afford it anyways. Meanwhile, by the time we unlock Retrain Powers or the advanced biotic/tech upgrade tiers we have access to double the number of planetary systems (and Element Zero sources) to afford them

Basically there is no reason to intentionally skip her biotic upgrade

[Darkstar Aurora]

As Simbacca and AK404 said, it is most effective to select team members based on the specifics of the mission at hand, rather than the same squad members for the entire game. The first Mass Effect encouraged you to stick with the same team members for the entire story (through achievements and bonuses). However, Mass Effect 2 seems to do the opposite—requiring you to use each member at least once, presenting you with mission environments and enemies more suited to particular team member’s weapons/powers over others, and temporarily/permanently depriving you of them during the final mission.

While it may be over analytical of me, I do think that the typical RPG group combat role archetypes—such as those in D&D, Dragon Age, and elsewhere—do apply fairly accurately to the team members in Mass Effect 2. Personally I think categorizing them as such (and defining them below) helps give an understanding to what a character’s expected role is, especially if there are fans who came to Mass Effect from the shooter genre and have had less exposure to RPGs. It is that latter case I think causes people to perceive certain characters as “useless” because they do not have upgraded weapons or instantaneous damage powers.

For the sake of argument, I interpret (or reinterpret) these roles as Defender, Controller, Saboteur, Sniper, and Enhancer. Most of the 12 standard team members fits into at least two of the above roles, with the exception of Legion filling three roles, while Kasumi and Morinth fill only one (but do so very well).

DEFENDER
Team Members: Grunt, Legion, Jacob, Samara (vs. organics), Tali (vs. synthetics), Mordin
Role: Defenders possess higher than average health/shield values, obtaining them through class skills, upgrades, or activating loyalty powers. In combat a defender can take cover positions closer to enemy units than the rest of the squad, drawing fire away from weaker team members. Some defenders have bonuses from two or more of the above categories (Grunt, Legion, Jacob), and are more capable of filling this role on the battlefield. Other defenders either drain these attributes from enemies of a specific type (Tali and Samara), or possess bonuses from only one of the above sources (Mordin). In these secondary cases they can be used to alternate into this role in specific situations, but are not as effective as the previous three.

CONTROLLER
Team Members: Jack, Mordin, Samara, Morinth, Legion, Tali
Role: Controllers possess multiple powers that can paralyze (Neural Shock), levitate (Pull), control (AI Hacking, Dominate), knockback (Shockwave, Throw) or freeze (Cryo-Blast) enemies, or distract them while inflicting damage over time (Combat Drone, Incinerate, Reave). These powers will typically also have faster recharge times or longer durations when used by these characters.
In combat, a controller can mitigate the benefits enemies obtain from superior numbers, by multiplying squad damage output with controlling/crippling attacks, while simultaneously preventing the affected enemies from returning fire upon the team. Controllers typically have damage powers only effective against one or two resistance types, and therefore pair well with a saboteur to help damage enemy armor/barriers/shields before applying control effects. Some controllers are more suited towards organic or synthetic enemies, yet all of them have at least one skill that can impose crowd control over the battlefield regardless of the opposition type.

SABOTEUR
Team Members: Miranda, Kasumi, Zaeed, Garrus
Role: Saboteurs possess a set of powers that enable them to inflict increased damage against all three resistance types (armor, barriers, and shields), allowing them to quickly sabotage enemy defenses. They also possess the ability to overheat enemy weapons (Overload, Disruptor Ammo, Flashbang Grenade) and detonate explosive containers (Overload, Inferno Grenade) within in the environment. Like snipers, saboteurs typically have low or average health bonuses and should be placed in cover further behind defenders and/or the player character.

SNIPER
Team Members: Zaeed, Garrus, Legion, Thane
Role: Snipers possess sniper rifle training combined with either high damage bonuses, upgraded weapons, ammo powers, or some combination of the above. In combat they can deal substantial amounts of damage through the simultaneous combination of weapons, ammo, and activated powers. Typically they possess the lowest health bonuses of all squad members, and therefore are more vulnerable to returning fire (exception Legion). As such they should be placed farther from enemies or slightly behind defenders or the player in order to maximize both their range and minimize incoming fire.

ENHANCER
Team Members: Miranda, Garrus, Jack, Zaeed, Jacob, Grunt, Thane
Role: Enhancers provide bonuses to the entire squad’s combat abilities through passive talents or squad ammo powers. Some grant bonuses against a wide variety of enemy types and resistances and have powers that enhance that damage or remove intervening resistances. Other enhancers provide higher bonuses against a smaller range of enemies and resistances, but yield higher damage increases.

Typically good combinations would be Defender + Sniper, Saboteur + Controller, Enhancer + Defender, Enhancer + Controller, etc. However Shepard can easily fill multiple roles due to greater power selection, advanced weapon training, and bonus powers. Likewise, members should be chosen for how effective they are against certain enemy types as well, rather than purely on their “combat role” alone.

I leave it up to others to decide is this is helpful or just me being too over-analytical/RPG nostalgic..

[Darkstar Aurora]

Team Members listed with their primary/secondary/tertiary roles. Each role is listed in sequential order in terms of how effective (IMO) they are in them:

Jacob: Defender/Enhancer
Miranda: Saboteur/Enhancer
Mordin: Controller/Defender
Garrus: Sniper/Saboteur
Jack: Controller/Enhancer
Grunt: Defender/Enhancer
Zaeed: Sniper/Saboteur/Enhancer
Kasumi: Saboteur
Tali: Controller/Defender
Thane: Sniper/Enhancer
Samara: Controller/Defender
Legion: Sniper/Defender/Controller
Morinth: Controller

[e-ver]

iOnlySignIn wrote...

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(3) Kasumi. 
[...] Her Passive's cooldown bonus is bugged though. If it isn't, Kasumi would be so OP as to render every other squadmate obsolete.

It's bugged? How so?
I never noticed that (but that's no surprise, because I'm not very concious about such things).

[CoffeeHolic93]

Allerleihrau wrote...

It's bugged? How so?
I never noticed that (but that's no surprise, because I'm not very concious about such things).

Her cooldown bonus isn't applied. 

[e-ver]

Thanks for clearing that up, Mi-Chan.

Is it recommendend to invest in her Master Thief ability at all then? Or would it be better to max out Shadow Strike, Overload & Flashbang Grenade instead and ignore Master Thief completely?

Modifié par Allerleihrau, 17 octobre 2011 - 11:57 .

[RedCaesar97]

 As Mi-Chan points out, Kasumi's passive is supposed to provide a cooldown bonus, but it does not work.jwalker has a video showing it here.
Thread discussing it can be found here.

Since the cooldown does not work, most players on this forum recommend maxing her three powers instead.

[e-ver]

Thank you, I'll check out the thread and the video.