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[Pacifien]

So I played the Krayt Dragon call for the first time ever. I have to admit, in the original version of that scene, I did not know it was supposed to be Obi-Wan doing the call to scare the sand people away until the internet told me so. This call sounds like an actual human being. Which leads me to this...

"That... that actually sounds like Ewan McGregor!" I don't know about that, but my boyfriend did bring up the point that some human being out there had to actually make that sound.

Also, I read somewhere that Han Solo's "you could use a good kiss" retort to Leia was removed entirely. Which is like... dumb.

[Bryy_Miller]

I would not be surprised at all if, at the end of this, the original trilogy becomes the original draft of the script.

[Seagloom]

I need to buy that DVD release that contained the original trilogy as bonus features. Then I can chuck the others away and ignore their existence.

In case it is not obvious yet, I prefer the original trilogy and do not look favorably look upon Lucas's alterations to them. His tinkering reminds me of a time I tweaked and retconned a character so drastically to fit my vision, I had no choice but to scrap her. I fear Lucas may need to reach those same depths to realize that, if he ever will.

I loved the original trilogy. They were among my favorite movies growing up.

The prequel trilogy was boring. Ignoring all their other flaws, the greatest sins of those movies was how dull they were. To this day I have not seen the Phantom Menace in its entirety. The promos made it seem so compelling. The reality was I lost interest less than thirty minutes into it. One of my sisters took me to see Attack of the Clones as a birthday gift. It was slightly more interesting, but I found it difficult to focus outside a few scenes. The whole movie could have been Padme's brush with death, Obi-Wan and Anakin's failed duel against Dooku, and the end credits. That would have satisfied me. It would have made no sense whatsoever as a plot, but I could at least *watch* it attentively. Revenge of the Sith had the opposite problem: too much action scene padding. I was dying for it to end when there were thirty minutes left.

There are dozens of targeted criticisms I can level at those two prequels, but the number one criteria of any good mainstream movie is that it must be entertaining. I should not feel sitting through it is an act of will on my part. I should definitely not feel drowsy.

Modifié par Seagloom, 08 octobre 2011 - 12:38 .

[Blastback]

If you ever get a chance, you need to play the X-Wing TIE Fighter series. Great games.

[Blastback]

Pacifien wrote...

So I played the Krayt Dragon call for the first time ever. I have to admit, in the original version of that scene, I did not know it was supposed to be Obi-Wan doing the call to scare the sand people away until the internet told me so. This call sounds like an actual human being. Which leads me to this...

"That... that actually sounds like Ewan McGregor!" I don't know about that, but my boyfriend did bring up the point that some human being out there had to actually make that sound.

Also, I read somewhere that Han Solo's "you could use a good kiss" retort to Leia was removed entirely. Which is like... dumb.

Please let that be false.  Pleeeaaase.

[Kaiser Arian XVII]

^ It is hard to play those old games on current PCs.

Also, those changes in Blue-ray version of Episode IV-VI seem horrible.

[marshalleck]

My enthusiasm for Star Wars begins and ends at Empire Strikes Back.

[Druss99]

KLUME777 wrote...

chunkyman wrote...

Galactic Runner wrote...

Anybody check out the complete saga on blu-ray? Are the changes for better, for worse, or do they not really change the perspective at all?

Out of all the characters in the series, Darth Vader is my favorite. Even though he got tragically burned on Mustafar, I consider him very awesome, even more so when, in Episode I, it was revealed that his Midi-Chlorian count is higher than even Yoda's, making him more powerful in the Force in my opinion.

Changes, what changes?!?! 

Oh god, what did Lucas do now? 

Okay, the Krayt Dragon call in Ep 4 has been changed to a seriously retarded sound.
Some rocks were added in Ep 4 where R2-D2 is hiding from the sand people, yet dissapear when R2-D2 goes out.
The Scene in Ep 6 of Jabbas door now zooms in (which imo makes it less effective and less intimidating).
Some extra TIE fighters were added in the Ep 6 space battle, except they jarringly appear out of nowhere, major wtf (start at 2:00).
The ewoks now blink creepily.
Darth Vader Yells "NOOO!" when he throws the emporer in Ep 6.
The puppet Yoda in Ep 1 is replaced by a CGI Yoda (a mistake imo, the puppet had more personality).
The Greedo and Han scene is redone, but Greedo still shots first.
A CGI dug was added to Jabbas palace.
A few other minor changes, like improving lightsaber effects, hardly noticeable.


Not all the EU is crap, the Legacy of the Force book series is pretty good and i like the character of Jacen Solo. Some of the games set during or after the movies are good (Jedi Knight: jedi Outcast, Empire at War: Forces of Corruption, Republic Commando). And of coarse, everything set before the movies in the Old Republic are good (baring Bioware's TOR - the more i read about it the more i hate it. Both Revan and the Exile are ruined, and Bioware seems set to ruin another of their game series like they did to Dragon Age).

Jesus Christ is there no end to Lucas' madness? Why the hell would he add the "Nooooooo!"? It adds nothing to the scene, it actually detracts from it.

I hated Legacy of the Force. It was Mandalorian this, Mandalorian that, Mandalorians are the best in the galaxy at anything you can imagine, Luke thinks in Mandalorian, Jaina Solo is no longer a war veteran in her 30s that spent years coming up with strategies to fight the Yuuzhan Vong who she couldn't sense in the force, she is now a teenage fan girl squeeing at the sight of some Mandalorians, Mara Jade was killed because an author didn't like Jedi and admitted to killing her because she couldn't stand the female lead being a Jedi so she turned Jaina into Mando fangirl #1 and killed Mara Jade. For everything good the other authors in the series did Traviss undid it all with her bizarre agenda's. Its a microcosm of whats wrong with Star Wars, one person is constantly given too much freedom to do whatever they want regardless of the narrative or cannon. Unfortunately that person is often Lucas himself so its more than just the EU that gets f*cked up.

Saying that though the Fate of the Jedi books have been alot better, I've quite enjoyed them especially Aaron Alston's books. If only they hadn't commited to 9 books it would have been alot better, they have basically been going in circles for several books now with Luke and Ben's story.

Modifié par Druss99, 08 octobre 2011 - 04:09 .

[addiction21]

Blastback wrote...

If you ever get a chance, you need to play the X-Wing TIE Fighter series. Great games.

My favorites followed cloesly by the Dark Forces and Jediknight series.

Jedi Sentinel Arian wrote...

^ It is hard to play those old games on current PCs.

Also, those changes in Blue-ray version of Episode IV-VI seem horrible.

Best to get something like DosBox.

I love this from Robot Chicken

[Morroian]

Galactic Runner wrote...

Well, every time a major re-release of the Star Wars movies is distributed, changes are made to certain details in order to match the original vision George Lucas had with the movies.

So in the orignal Ep 4 what stopped him from having Greedo shooting first?

[Arcadian Legend]

If I had to rate the Star Wars movies in order of my preference, ti would go something like this:

VI>V=IV>III>I>II

[Blastback]

Bryy_Miller wrote...
The original four drafts of Star Wars are effing ridiculous and would have bankrupt Fox.

Just ordered my Blu-Ray OT today. Happy happy. It will be the first thing my new rig plays.

Curious, where did you see the original drafts?  I'd like to take a look for myself...

[lv12medic]

Morroian wrote...

So in the orignal Ep 4 what stopped him from having Greedo shooting first?

The amount of footage for the scene was probably limited for post production work would be my guess.  They had to fit in the Greedo subtitles and of course the red pew-pew to tie in with the smoke effects of the exploding wall and Greedo's smoking carcass which were live shots of those effects.  Which tells me that its the order of the live filmed effects that drove the scene regardless of whether Lucas originally intended Greedo to shoot first or not.

Hopefully that makes some sense.

[Blastback]

lv12medic wrote...

Morroian wrote...

So in the orignal Ep 4 what stopped him from having Greedo shooting first?

The amount of footage for the scene was probably limited for post production work would be my guess.  They had to fit in the Greedo subtitles and of course the red pew-pew to tie in with the smoke effects of the exploding wall and Greedo's smoking carcass which were live shots of those effects.  Which tells me that its the order of the live filmed effects that drove the scene regardless of whether Lucas originally intended Greedo to shoot first or not.

Hopefully that makes some sense.

I get the feeling that when they made the movie, Lucas wanted Greedo to shoot first.  But he later changed his mind. 

[KenKenpachi]

I used to be a HUGE Star Wars fan, still am to an extent, though I like the Mando's unlike druss,(though I think in his case it has alot more to do with Travis, whom I also don't like) just lately its turned to crap. Good games never get the next installation, while crap does. Looking at you TFU.

I'm still waiting for a modernized TIE Fighter or a real battlefront three, or Empire at War 2. Among others, its mainly that Damn Clone Wars, and the redone, of the redone. I liked the 90's re-releases, but the newest instalment is just crap.

Also the EU has some good ****, problem is if lucas wants money......well sorry canon's got to be changed. And the man constantly ****s the franchise over, the BEST Star Wars films funny enough just had him signing off or doing anything BUT directing it...I think thats telling.

[The Love Runner]

Morroian wrote...

Galactic Runner wrote...

Well, every time a major re-release of the Star Wars movies is distributed, changes are made to certain details in order to match the original vision George Lucas had with the movies.

So in the orignal Ep 4 what stopped him from having Greedo shooting first?

I wouldn't think anyone would know what the changes are AHEAD of time. George Lucas is probably planning it out for all we know.

[Bryy_Miller]

Galactic Runner wrote...
I wouldn't think anyone would know what the changes are AHEAD of time. George Lucas is probably planning it out for all we know.

This is a contradiction.

Blastback wrote...

Bryy_Miller wrote...
The original four drafts of Star Wars are effing ridiculous and would have bankrupt Fox.

Just ordered my Blu-Ray OT today. Happy happy. It will be the first thing my new rig plays.

Curious, where did you see the original drafts?  I'd like to take a look for myself...

I've never read the originals in their entirerty. But the internet has done wonders for research. This site is the most comprehensive compilation of all the information yet:

http://hem.bredband....ee/development/

Han Solo also used to be a green alien and Chewbacca was an Ewok.

[The Love Runner]

Bryy_Miller wrote...

Galactic Runner wrote...
I wouldn't think anyone would know what the changes are AHEAD of time. George Lucas is probably planning it out for all we know.

This is a contradiction.

Sorry, I meant he plans it out to himself BEFORE he lets the production crew working on whichever version know what the changes are.

[Bryy_Miller]

Galactic Runner wrote...

Bryy_Miller wrote...

Galactic Runner wrote...
I wouldn't think anyone would know what the changes are AHEAD of time. George Lucas is probably planning it out for all we know.

This is a contradiction.

Sorry, I meant he plans it out to himself BEFORE he lets the production crew working on whichever version know what the changes are.

The changes Lucas makes are obviously not to "suit his original vision". He did not go "well, I had to wait for the right tech to appear in order to have a Dug be in Jabba's palace" or "I have to wait to write Episode III before I can dub in Vader's line in Episode VI".

Lucas is changing the very fundamentals of what makes these films good and not corny as hell. When he makes Greedo shoot first, it castrates Han Solo's personality as a cool-headed rogue. When he has Vader scream in pain when Palpatine is killing Luke, it invalidates his entire character arc in the context of both trilogies (think about that: Lucas has already begun destroying the new films). When he has Han come on to Leia before Empire, it destroys the revelation of Luke being her brother, plus it makes Leia look like a **** for kissing Luke, plus it further neuters Han Solo's personality. 

They are Lucas' films, so he can do as he pleases. But he's destroying his credibility as a filmmaker and as an icon. 

And he doesn't care, really. 

The problem is that he never did.

[Druss99]

Bryy_Miller wrote...

The changes Lucas makes are obviously not to "suit his original vision". He did not go "well, I had to wait for the right tech to appear in order to have a Dug be in Jabba's palace" or "I have to wait to write Episode III before I can dub in Vader's line in Episode VI".

Lucas is changing the very fundamentals of what makes these films good and not corny as hell. When he makes Greedo shoot first, it castrates Han Solo's personality as a cool-headed rogue. When he has Vader scream in pain when Palpatine is killing Luke, it invalidates his entire character arc in the context of both trilogies (think about that: Lucas has already begun destroying the new films). When he has Han come on to Leia before Empire, it destroys the revelation of Luke being her brother, plus it makes Leia look like a **** for kissing Luke, plus it further neuters Han Solo's personality. 

They are Lucas' films, so he can do as he pleases. But he's destroying his credibility as a filmmaker and as an icon. 

And he doesn't care, really. 

The problem is that he never did.

I haven't watched the OT in a long time but I don't recall Han coming on to Leia before Empire. Is this something else that was added for the blu-ray or am I just blocking something from my memory?

[Il Divo]

Druss99 wrote...

I haven't watched the OT in a long time but I don't recall Han coming on to Leia before Empire. Is this something else that was added for the blu-ray or am I just blocking something from my memory?

There is one point in Episode IV where Han asks Luke "What do you think? A princess with a guy like me?". Luke pretty much knocks him down, but there is that one mention.

[Bryy_Miller]

Capt. Obvious wrote...
And George Lucas never started as this hack writer you so describe.

Have you read the treatments for the original drafts?

"American Graffiti" is an excellent example of a good movie he made before "A New Hope", one that people often refer to when talking about his film-making career as a whole, and it was written quite well.

American Graffitti was not Star Wars. There was a real life inspiration for that movie.

And Vader's "No!" in ROTJ doesn't do anything to his character arc besides bat the audience over the head that he's in pain.

<a href=http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/film/nocountry_leejones_460.jpg

EDIT: so I fail at linking images. 

EDIT 2: I'm by no means saying Star Wars is ruined or is not a cultural icon, it just had cracks long before they started to show.

Modifié par Bryy_Miller, 09 octobre 2011 - 08:22 .

[addiction21]

Capt. Obvious wrote...

As for the changesto the OT, minus Vader's new dialogue in ROTJ, most of them are barely noticable, including the overrated Han Shot First debacle. Han still retains his personality because it's still shown later in the ANH.

My biggest grip with the scene is just how odd the rerelease looks. Well that at he little pock mark Greedos blast makes on the wall while Solo's makes a huge plume of smoke but it is silly the fit that has been thrown over it.

Google that scene... some people have way too much time on their hands.