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[chunkyman]

Bryy_Miller wrote...

And Vader's "No!" in ROTJ doesn't do anything to his character arc besides bat the audience over the head that he's in pain.

Did I use the right image? 

[Bryy_Miller]

yes, thanks

[Il Divo]

Bryy_Miller wrote...

When he has Vader scream in pain when Palpatine is killing Luke, it invalidates his entire character arc in the context of both trilogies (think about that: Lucas has already begun destroying the new films). 

Beyond being a crappy line, how does Vader's scream invalidate his character arc in any way?

[Bryy_Miller]

It implies that he was constantly fighting to retain his humanity, rather than finally just "snapping".

[Il Divo]

Bryy_Miller wrote...

It implies that he was constantly fighting to retain his humanity, rather than finally just "snapping".

...how exactly? The line simply indicates that he's not going to let Palpatine murder his son. How can we extrapolate that much from a single word?

Modifié par Il Divo, 09 octobre 2011 - 09:08 .

[Funkcase]

Question, does anyone really notice a big difference from DVD to Blu-ray? I never see a big difference in HD from SD for some reason, other than a slightly darker image.

[Nerevar-as]

Bryy_Miller wrote...

It implies that he was constantly fighting to retain his humanity, rather than finally just "snapping".

If there´s a clue for that, it´s when he tells Luke that it´s too late for him to turn from the Dark Side. Pointless as it is, the new no means nothing for the character arc.

The way I see it, there´s only Vader from Ep III big no up until he learns he has a son (which I think he deduced on the way back from Yavin). It´s then that the Anakin persona starts to fight back. Because of this I tend to Avoid EU involving Anakin or Vader, the former it´s a psycho as soon as no Jedi is looking his way, and the latter has been whining about his past life since the prequels.

[Bryy_Miller]

Funkcase wrote...

Question, does anyone really notice a big difference from DVD to Blu-ray? I never see a big difference in HD from SD for some reason, other than a slightly darker image.

Yes.

Star Wars is the sole reason I own Blu-Ray.

I literally stopped dead in my tracks at Comic-Con when I went by the Lucas booth/nation.

[KenKenpachi]

Yeah I had no idea Vader was in conflict, what with looking back and forth between his master and his son screaming Help Me!!! @_@

Also I hate how at the end they replaced the original actor with the "young" Anakin in the whole force ghost thing. Vader was always in conflict, thus he would be as he was upon death imo. Not as he was several years previous. But oh well.


And nah Druss its something added. Its like Lucas thinks (and maybe he's right) that alot of his new fans are just morons.

[Bryy_Miller]

Capt. Obvious wrote...
Yes, you were critisizing the revelation that Leia was Luke's sister and how it "neuters Han Solo's personality

No I wasn't. I was critcizing the "you need a good kiss" line. 

[chunkyman]

Capt. Obvious wrote...
 J.K. Rowling had real-life inspiration for the Harry Potter series, that doesn't mean it was a bad story overall or that it shouldn't be acknowledged for the writing that went into it. 

But Harry Potter was a bad story! 


I think that, overall, the original trilogy should have stayed unedited. Genuine corrections of minor details is fine, but what has been changed in these Blu-Ray edits is way too much. Some of them ruin entire scenes, like Vader shouting "Noooooo" during ROTJ.

[Kaiser Arian XVII]

New one sucks!

[Chromie]

That was changed before the blurays no?

I must have one.

Modifié par Ringo12, 11 octobre 2011 - 04:03 .

[Blastback]

^ Epic.

[chunkyman]

Ringo12 wrote...



I must have one.

Do they have a Vader one?  

[Il Divo]

Capt. Obvious wrote...

jreezy wrote...

Someone hates the Expanded Universe? I didn't think that was possible.

Boba Fett beating Darth Vader, Force users being overpowered(being able to make wormholes, bring Star Destroyers down, etc), Karen Traviss, IG-88 taking over the Death Star 2, pathetic Han Solo clones like Dash Rendar, the Emperor's actual biological clone, Vader's sacrifice being made obsolete, and an over-reliance of the Sith as enemies. Yeah, it gave a lot of reasons for me to hate it. Or at least most of it.

Actually, there are a lot of people in the fandom that don't like it as well. In fact, I think there isn't a single person in the fandom that doesn't hate at least one thing pertaining to the EU.

The EU is simply too large not to hate something about it. I personally like most of the pre-KotOR content, since it feels like there is less devotion to any one character (despite being all Jedi vs. Sith). On the other hand, pretty much anything after Episode VI I can't stand.

To add to the list:
Chewbacca's death.
Cade Skywalker.
Luke's "battle" with Exar Kun
The Skywalker/Solo family tree including Ben Skywalker, Jacen Solo, etc.
The alternative prophecy stating that Leia must save Luke from the Dark Side.

It all just feels like they're spinning their wheels and like comics are completely afraid to kill any important characters.

Modifié par Il Divo, 12 octobre 2011 - 12:54 .

[Nerevar-as]

You forgot EVERYBODY grabbing the idiot ball in Legacy of the Force. I´ll never get anything involving Troy Denning. After reading the last book of that series I think I could resist even the Holiday Special.

Have to agree about cade. I like the Legacy comic despite of him. Was wishing someone gave him a good beating most of the time.

[Kaiser Arian XVII]

I like pre-kotor EU consisting of stories about Invasion of the Korriban, Original Sith, old masters like Marka Ragnos, Naga Sadow, Freedan Nad etc. .... possibly the one about Darth Bane ~ Darth Sidious.
Certainly, Post-Vader EU is garbage.

[rolson00]

my favourite star wars games are:
Jedi Knight: Jedi Academy & KOTOR of course

[chunkyman]

99% of EU around the time of the movies is terrible IMO. So much of it contradicts the lore or is just plain terrible that I hate it. The KoTOR Era lore is great because it doesn't conflict with the movies or ruin any characters from the movies.

[Druss99]

Il Divo wrote...

Capt. Obvious wrote...

jreezy wrote...

Someone hates the Expanded Universe? I didn't think that was possible.

Boba Fett beating Darth Vader, Force users being overpowered(being able to make wormholes, bring Star Destroyers down, etc), Karen Traviss, IG-88 taking over the Death Star 2, pathetic Han Solo clones like Dash Rendar, the Emperor's actual biological clone, Vader's sacrifice being made obsolete, and an over-reliance of the Sith as enemies. Yeah, it gave a lot of reasons for me to hate it. Or at least most of it.

Actually, there are a lot of people in the fandom that don't like it as well. In fact, I think there isn't a single person in the fandom that doesn't hate at least one thing pertaining to the EU.

The EU is simply too large not to hate something about it. I personally like most of the pre-KotOR content, since it feels like there is less devotion to any one character (despite being all Jedi vs. Sith). On the other hand, pretty much anything after Episode VI I can't stand.

To add to the list:
Chewbacca's death.
Cade Skywalker.
Luke's "battle" with Exar Kun
The Skywalker/Solo family tree including Ben Skywalker, Jacen Solo, etc.
The alternative prophecy stating that Leia must save Luke from the Dark Side.

It all just feels like they're spinning their wheels and like comics are completely afraid to kill any important characters.

Theres also:

Boba Fett surviving the Sarlacc and losing everything that made him cool.

The Captain touched on it by mentioning Traviss *spit* but whats been done to the Mandalorians in general is shocking. They went from ultra cool nutjobs to whatever the hell they are supposed to be now.

Over reliance on the original cast. In their 60's and Luke, Han, Leia and Lando are still all that holds the galaxy together. Jesus it completely ruined Death Troopers putting them into whats supposed to be a horror? Genius...

Creating decent new characters and then never giving them the chance to carry the story. Legacy of the Force was bizarre, they used Jacen as a main character despite his awfulness and then brought Jaina into it much later on as the main protagonist from almost out of the blue after realising it made no sense for Jacen to be able to stand up to Luke in a fight.

Over reliance on big galaxy threatening stories instead of smaller more personal ones. Its gotten ridiculous. I've found the smaller individual stories more enjoyable on the whole but they are very rare. Jaden Korr is getting his own series at the minute and I quite enjoyed the first book.

Luke - The single biggest problem for EU writers. The most powerful Jedi ever but they can't seem to agree on how powerful he actually is. They keep having to come up with increasingly stupid ways to keep him out of the fight. He is in his 60's but it hasn't occurred to them to just have him be too old and pass the torch. Problem being they have gimped most of the other Jedi like Kypp, Mara and Kyle Katarn. All they seem to do is sit around in the council doing nothing or be dead. All that seems to be left is Jaina. Seems to be no long term planning so they keep doing the same cycle with Luke, keep him out of the fight and let him clean up the mess at the end.

[Il Divo]

Druss, Chunky, Sentinel, agreed all around. The great thing about the KotOR era lore and stuff before that is it seems to be more of an Origin story for all of the cool stuff we see in the original trilogy (and to a lesser extent, the prequels). Ex: Darth Maul's lightsaber created by Exar Kun, Origin of the Rule of Two. It feels more like a history/timeline of events than it does a ploy to keep jerking the same tired characters around. I mean, Luke isn't even officially dead yet in the timeline.