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[Selene Moonsong]

"What is" is a matter of an individuals perceptions rather than fact.

I have not stated that any character is bi-sexual. I have stated that in ME 3 the characters will be "Shep-sexual": That is a big difference. If you want your play-through to follow your cannon playthrough, that's fine, but if others want something else, that is fine too, it is your and their preference, and is not cannon to the game.

ME 1 has only three options depending on gender: Kaiden or Ash. or Liara or no interest. Choices were expanded in ME 2 to include new characters (and includes Kelly for either gender)..

ME 3 includes a bit more. So, what is the problem? That they may include Kaiden or Ash as s/s romances? If you play straight, your character would notice no difference and that leaves your position on the topic a matter of personal preference and exclusion towards other's preferences.

I'm sorry, but that logic does not wash in these forums.

[Prince Zeel]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

Mr.Kusy wrote...

Zero! Zero damns given! Bwa ha ha ha ha!

Okay, then.

It just makes me sad when people I usually like and agree with do things that make me wonder why I ever liked them in the first place...

Oh Admiral. I wasn't comparing homosexuality to pedophilia.  infact if you actually read my posts i'm not attacking homosexuality at all.

[Valdrane78]

Selene Moonsong wrote...

"What is" is a matter of an individuals perceptions rather than fact.

I have not stated that any character is bi-sexual. I have stated that in ME 3 the characters will be "Shep-sexual": That is a big difference. If you want your play-through to follow your cannon playthrough, that's fine, but if others want something else, that is fine too, it is your and their preference, and is not cannon to the game.

ME 1 has only three options depending on gender: Kaiden or Ash. or Liara or no interest. Choices were expanded in ME 2 to include new characters (and includes Kelly for either gender)..

ME 3 includes a bit more. So, what is the problem? That they may include Kaiden or Ash as s/s romances? If you play straight, your character would notice no difference and that leaves your position on the topic a matter of personal preference and exclusion towards other's preferences.

I'm sorry, but that logic does not wash in these forums.

My problemisn't s/s romances.  It's your arguement that lack of evidence is evidence that certain characters are bi, or rather Shep-sexual.

[Prince Zeel]

yes. the evidenczzzz. i wannnnt ittt.

[jlb524]

Prince Zeel wrote...

You guys are not paying attention.  If you have a claim, YOU must back it up.

How exactly would I get "Anti-evidence"?

Impossible. Again, setting it up so you're always right. My evidence is more than enough, since you have none. Try bringing some, then we'll see about anti-evidence.

I'm not claiming anything.

I don't know if the former companions are heterosexual or bisexual...the evidence points to either as possible.

I can claim they aren't homosexual.

You are claiming that they are heterosexual.  You could be right but you could be wrong...you are assuming they are straight b/c they expressed interest in the opposite sex but it's still a possibility that any of them could be interested in the same sex as well.

[shepskisaac]

I see even mods are feeding Princess Zeel now lol. Why is this thread still opened anyway? It has nothing to do with OP and the OP's plea to be able to shoot monkeys

Modifié par IsaacShep, 08 octobre 2011 - 12:56 .

[Kusy]

IsaacShep wrote...

I see even mods are feeding Princess Zeel now lol. Why is this thread still opened anyway? It has nothing to do with OP and the OP's plea to be able to shoot monkeys

Because Zeel made it so when the thread does get locked it will seem that the other side of the barricade had no more arguments and had to use powers... I admire this tactic.

[AdmiralCheez]

Prince Zeel wrote...

Oh Admiral. I wasn't comparing homosexuality to pedophilia.  infact if you actually read my posts i'm not attacking homosexuality at all.

I'm really sorry, but I can't help but see your blatant homophobia in nearly all of your posts, even if you claim you're not homophobic and only want to preserve a semblence of continuity.

You were funny at first, but you've crossed the line.  It's hard for me to laugh at a few things, regardless of whether or not you're serious.

Sorry for sucking the fun out of everything and ruining a perfectly good trollfest.

[Prince Zeel]

jlb524 wrote...

Prince Zeel wrote...

You guys are not paying attention.  If you have a claim, YOU must back it up.

How exactly would I get "Anti-evidence"?

Impossible. Again, setting it up so you're always right. My evidence is more than enough, since you have none. Try bringing some, then we'll see about anti-evidence.

I'm not claiming anything.

I don't know if the former companions are heterosexual or bisexual...the evidence points to either as possible.

I can claim they aren't homosexual.

You are claiming that they are heterosexual.  You could be right but you could be wrong...you are assuming they are straight b/c they expressed interest in the opposite sex but it's still a possibility that any of them could be interested in the same sex as well.

Oh please.
The evidence does not point to "Either" it points to heterosexuality.


why oh why do you persist on this "what if" argument, as IF it's any good. Or of any use. I'll repeate this for you.  If things have no evidence we reject them until they do. We do not disregard all the contrary evidence in order to keep up this illusion of the "what if"


Here. I'll see if i can simplfy this. The Earth is flat.
Do you believe that? I mean, despite contrary evidence? it could still POSSIBLY be flat, maybe its an illusion,  or maybe scientists are just lying to us.

If you believe in your argument, you have to believe in the above.

[Medhia Nox]

What it "seems" to be - is a need to believe that once someone is shown to have relations with a female, that they are free of the "danger" of realizing that this might not be who they really are.

There are many homosexuals who live lives their parents taught them was "normal" - then, realizing who they always were, but could never personally accept - they "come out" at a later age.

Just because Kaidan doesn't tell you about a sexual encounter he had at the age of 12 with another boy - doesn't mean he didn't have one (it doesn't mean he did either - Bioware gets to choose). But this call of "weak storytelling" is a baseless claim of pure opinion.

He only states that Liara is beautiful... you know what, how many straight guys stand around talking with their buddies and say: "Man, that woman is beautiful." and not "I'd totally hit that, she's hot."

And don't give me this superior officer crap - the NPCs are already far too familiar with Shepard.

As for the young lady he became close to - he never says love, he never says date, he never says sex - he says they were close. For those of you who are straight - many gay men (but certainly not all) form tight knit groups of females - or the "f_g hag" for a crude term for a single female friend.

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Please admit you just don't want homosexuals in your games. At least be honest with the people you're talking with.

Modifié par Medhia Nox, 08 octobre 2011 - 01:02 .

[NeroSparda]

Valdrane78 wrote...

Selene Moonsong wrote...

"What is" is a matter of an individuals perceptions rather than fact.

I have not stated that any character is bi-sexual. I have stated that in ME 3 the characters will be "Shep-sexual": That is a big difference. If you want your play-through to follow your cannon playthrough, that's fine, but if others want something else, that is fine too, it is your and their preference, and is not cannon to the game.

ME 1 has only three options depending on gender: Kaiden or Ash. or Liara or no interest. Choices were expanded in ME 2 to include new characters (and includes Kelly for either gender)..

ME 3 includes a bit more. So, what is the problem? That they may include Kaiden or Ash as s/s romances? If you play straight, your character would notice no difference and that leaves your position on the topic a matter of personal preference and exclusion towards other's preferences.

I'm sorry, but that logic does not wash in these forums.

My problemisn't s/s romances.  It's your arguement that lack of evidence is evidence that certain characters are bi, or rather Shep-sexual.

And now that they are saying that they are bi when they have no given any evidence of not being bi beforehand until Mass Effect 3, cause you know Mass Effect 1 might as well last a three weeks or so. That is why I wanted evidence of them, saying that they are one percent straight straight, no exceptions ( evidence of them turning down the same sex Shepard or showing disgust/being open-minded yet not his/her thing). But none of you given any such evidence (and Zeel insulting those that have what ifs). You think science and technology got to what it is today by not exploring what ifs? Or find out that Global Warming is bunch of BS by taking it in face value?

Modifié par NeroSparda, 08 octobre 2011 - 01:04 .

[Prince Zeel]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

Prince Zeel wrote...

Oh Admiral. I wasn't comparing homosexuality to pedophilia.  infact if you actually read my posts i'm not attacking homosexuality at all.

I'm really sorry, but I can't help but see your blatant homophobia in nearly all of your posts, even if you claim you're not homophobic and only want to preserve a semblence of continuity.

You were funny at first, but you've crossed the line.  It's hard for me to laugh at a few things, regardless of whether or not you're serious.

Sorry for sucking the fun out of everything and ruining a perfectly good trollfest.

Well whatever man. I mean, even when i'm not being homophobic, you are seeing "homophobia". What am I to do with that? Maybe you are just super sensitive about this stuff. If I wanted to be homophobic, I could very easily be it (probably get banned, but that hasnt stopped me before, has it?)

[Kusy]

Medhia Nox wrote...
He only states that Liara is beautiful... you know what, how many straight guys stand around talking with their buddies and say: "Man, that woman is beautiful." and not "I'd totally hit that, she's hot."

Many straight guys would, and there still exist a name for them, google "gentleman".

[Ghost Lightning]

Mr.Kusy wrote...

Medhia Nox wrote...
He only states that Liara is beautiful... you know what, how many straight guys stand around talking with their buddies and say: "Man, that woman is beautiful." and not "I'd totally hit that, she's hot."

Many straight guys would, and there still exist a name for them, google "gentleman".

This wins whatever the argument is.

[Prince Zeel]

NeroSparda wrote...


And now that they are saying that they are bi when they have no given any evidence of not being bi beforehand until Mass Effect 3, cause you know Mass Effect 1 might as well last a three weeks or so. That is why I wanted evidence of them, saying that they are one percent straight straight, no exceptions ( evidence of them turning down the same sex Shepard or showing disgust/being open-minded yet not his/her thing). But none of you given any such evidence (and Zeel insulting those that have what ifs). You think science and technology got to what it is today by not exploring what ifs? Or find out that Global Warming is bunch of BS by taking it in face value?

Difference between you and "Science" is that when they do explore "what ifs" they come back with evidence. so its not a what if anymore.

explore your what if to your heart content. use your fanfics, fanart or whatever tickles your fancy. Keep it out my game. Or come back with evidence.

either way your point has been debunked

[Kaiser Shepard]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

Prince Zeel wrote...

Oh Admiral. I wasn't comparing homosexuality to pedophilia.  infact if you actually read my posts i'm not attacking homosexuality at all.

I'm really sorry, but I can't help but see your blatant homophobia in nearly all of your posts, even if you claim you're not homophobic and only want to preserve a semblence of continuity.

You were funny at first, but you've crossed the line.  It's hard for me to laugh at a few things, regardless of whether or not you're serious.

Sorry for sucking the fun out of everything and ruining a perfectly good trollfest.

Where do you people not see "homophobia"? We cannot even sneeze without you accusing us of it.

Modifié par Kaiser Shepard, 08 octobre 2011 - 01:07 .

[Medhia Nox]

@Mr.Kusy - are you being serious?

Do you walk around in tuxedos and top hats and carry canes and sip wine too?

It's a noble assertion - but I think it's as real as Big Foot.

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How about it not be called homophobia - and it's called, "lack of experience with gay people"? 

Modifié par Medhia Nox, 08 octobre 2011 - 01:08 .

[Centauri2002]

Prince Zeel wrote...
Oh please.
The evidence does not point to "Either" it points to heterosexuality.


why oh why do you persist on this "what if" argument, as IF it's any good. Or of any use. I'll repeate this for you.  If things have no evidence we reject them until they do. We do not disregard all the contrary evidence in order to keep up this illusion of the "what if"


Here. I'll see if i can simplfy this. The Earth is flat.
Do you believe that? I mean, despite contrary evidence? it could still POSSIBLY be flat, maybe its an illusion,  or maybe scientists are just lying to us.

If you believe in your argument, you have to believe in the above.

I'd love to know where you got this idea of logic and debate from.

Just because one person believes in one case of a possibility of something despite there being no obvious evidence, doesn't mean that that same person believes in the same for every theory ever created. If this were true, you would have to believe that all theories were true based on "evidence" produced. Let's say... the theory of Phlogiston. There was evidence to back that theory up but it turns out the interpretation of that evidence was simply wrong.

Also, you might want to remember that just because you haven't seen the evidence for what you're arguing against, doesn't mean it isn't there. It's just not been brought to light yet.

Not that I've stated my stance on the matter, I'm just pointing out the flawed logic at this point.

Modifié par centauri2002, 08 octobre 2011 - 01:10 .

[NeroSparda]

Prince Zeel wrote...

NeroSparda wrote...


And now that they are saying that they are bi when they have no given any evidence of not being bi beforehand until Mass Effect 3, cause you know Mass Effect 1 might as well last a three weeks or so. That is why I wanted evidence of them, saying that they are one percent straight straight, no exceptions ( evidence of them turning down the same sex Shepard or showing disgust/being open-minded yet not his/her thing). But none of you given any such evidence (and Zeel insulting those that have what ifs). You think science and technology got to what it is today by not exploring what ifs? Or find out that Global Warming is bunch of BS by taking it in face value?

Difference between you and "Science" is that when they do explore "what ifs" they come back with evidence. so its not a what if anymore.

explore your what if to your heart content. use your fanfics, fanart or whatever tickles your fancy. Keep it out my game. Or come back with evidence.

either way your point has been debunked

Funny you say my "fanfics", "fanart", and the like when I do not have such things. Mmm. Where is your evidence?

Modifié par NeroSparda, 08 octobre 2011 - 01:10 .

[jlb524]

Prince Zeel wrote...

Oh please.
The evidence does not point to "Either" it points to heterosexuality.

Then I ask again...what evidence do you have that they are not interested in the same sex?

[MACharlie1]

Prince Zeel wrote...

NeroSparda wrote...


And now that they are saying that they are bi when they have no given any evidence of not being bi beforehand until Mass Effect 3, cause you know Mass Effect 1 might as well last a three weeks or so. That is why I wanted evidence of them, saying that they are one percent straight straight, no exceptions ( evidence of them turning down the same sex Shepard or showing disgust/being open-minded yet not his/her thing). But none of you given any such evidence (and Zeel insulting those that have what ifs). You think science and technology got to what it is today by not exploring what ifs? Or find out that Global Warming is bunch of BS by taking it in face value?

Difference between you and "Science" is that when they do explore "what ifs" they come back with evidence. so its not a what if anymore.

explore your what if to your heart content. use your fanfics, fanart or whatever tickles your fancy. Keep it out my game. Or come back with evidence.

either way your point has been debunked

As soon as you come in with evidence that they go exclusively for the opposite sex. 

Sorry I'm late to the party. What are we talking about again? It sounds exciting. 

[Mako Zalos]

I think a mod should either lock or change the name of this thread because it got seriously off track and is being the source of a lot of arguments. Seriously people I understand it's your opinion but don't go into a thread post total troll comments, and proceed to derail said thread. If you want to do that find a thread that has to do with your whining and whine there.

[MACharlie1]

Medhia Nox wrote...

@Mr.Kusy - are you being serious?

Do you walk around in tuxedos and top hats and carry canes and sip wine too?

It's a noble assertion - but I think it's as real as Big Foot.

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How about it not be called homophobia - and it's called, "lack of experience with gay people"? 

It's called being sheltered. :innocent: