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[nitefyre410]

and in other news disgruntled fans will continue to be disgruntled fans

[aridor1570]

You see this trailer? if I've seen this trailer before I even knew about Mass Effect I wouldn't even think of trying the game.

[Romantiq]

I've seen fan made trailers that look better than that pathetic crap

[Cainne Chapel]

gammameggon wrote...

Savber100 wrote...

gammameggon wrote...

He's right, though. ME3 isn't so much of an rpg as it is an overhyped shooter. Pretty accurate assessment, IMO

Based on what? He quoted NOTHING. Are we basing this on the MARKETING? Are you guys serious? 

Oh wait, what am I saying?! You guys have ME3 and have already played it hence why you can make such a "pretty accurate" conclusion!

Silly me...  


I mean just ignore the return to a better weapon customization, 57 different powers, and a return to a 60 level cap for ME3! It's totally bullcrap... Oh WAIT! 

True, and those things are nice. But it looks like all of gameplay is non-stop linear shooting. I play games for gameplay, and intentionally avoid linear shooting and games with it. It's boring for me and many others. Should I intentionally avoid ME3? I'd wait at least til a hefty price drop? If there is non-linear, non-combat gameplay, i want to see it.

Gamma... may I ask a question?

What ME game have you played that DIDN'T have non stop shooting/ talking segments?

Honestly I've never played that Mass Effect... because I remember shooting a bunch of mooks in ME1, ME2 and I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say much wont be changed for ME3

Granted the controls just got more responsive in ME2, But this ME you talk of that didn't have linear levels with shooting.... I've never played.

Where can I get it?

[BlaCKRodjj]

gammameggon wrote...

BlaCKRodjj wrote...

gammameggon wrote...

BlaCKRodjj wrote...

Prince Zeel wrote...

Savber100 wrote...

Prince Zeel wrote...
WELCOME to the 2011, friend.
Bioware is not the same company. it's all about getting the stupid casual player morons to buy. So do not be surprised.

Good God... and you're representing the smart, hardcore gamers?

The gaming industry is f*cked. 

If gaming paid attention to my views, we'd be neckdeep in well thought out meaningful games. Instead they pay attention to the casual market. That's why Me3 is not so much an RPG anymore, but a overhyped shooter. TO APPEASE the morons who like to play gears of fcking war.

For the love of... Go make your own game then, if your views are the epitome of video games. 

He's right, though. ME3 isn't so much of an rpg as it is an overhyped shooter. Pretty accurate assessment, IMO

I take it you have the full game on your hands? 
No?
Oh well...
This topic is to discuss the marketing of ME3 so... After the spoiler riddled marketing of ME2, BioWare is simply sticking with gameplay videos and related information, keeping the rest 'till launch. 

*snip*

Why do you find both of those a joke?
Also, what do you expect, IT'S HOW THE GAME IS PLAYED. Even ME1 played like that, except it was a cakewalk beyond lvl 30 and the action wasn't as fastpaced. They cannot market for dialogue secuences or other aspects because 1) They want more audience (i'll give you that) 2) Based on one, usually when marketing a game you show the gameplay, not the story/decisions/exploration 3) Too many spoilers, they already made us cry beforehand when the child died, so it was just to really show what kind of game we are specting on that spectrum

[gammameggon]

While true all levels are linear in the end, Virmire and Feros were much more open and didn't require non-stop shooting all the time. Tali's recruiting mission was also fairly open compared to the corridors of Omega and Illium. Additionally, I miss open exploration on planets. More detailed and life could had been added without gutting it.

[aridor1570]

Let me tell you a short story.

Once upon a time there was a game that isn't even released yet, but is very close for it's release, that game had only two trailers thus far, the first was the reveal, the second was a gameplay trailer, the first trailer, as said was just a reveal, how did the fans react? "OMG, best RPG of this decade!", then the second one was released, showing nothing but fighting, slashing enemies with swords and a little bit of hitting them with some good old spells, the game recieved the same reaction afterwards.

you know which game it is? no? Skyrim, all it got was a reveal and a gameplay trailer, that didn't show anything but combat, no RPG mechanics, and is still considered the best RPG that's going to be released.

Modifié par aridor1570, 10 octobre 2011 - 03:26 .

[Iakus]

littlezack wrote...

But we do. So why do we really care about marketing?

It's one of those things that bugs me.  For a couple ofl reasons:

Bioware take justifiable pride in story and characters.  It's one of those things that, imo makes their games among the best out there.  So why make their games look like every other action game out there?  What really separates Fall of Earth from any other trailer out there?  The omniblade?

Trailers are supposed to pique interest.  If storyline and characters and decision making are now a shameful secret, you're keeping people who might actually like that sort of thing from taking another look at the game.  Lilke I said, if I wasn't already familiar with the Mass Effect universe I wouldn't have given that trailer a second glance.

[Il Divo]

littlezack wrote...

Never bought a game based on trailers, and don't plan to start now. The stuff I've read up on ME3 has me impressed enough so far, and if this release is anything like the others, they'll start pouring out information and class demos near the release.

This sums up my impression of the marketing.

[Gatt9]

aridor1570 wrote...

Let me tell you a short story.

Once upon a time there was a game that isn't even released yet, but is very close for it's release, that game had only two trailers thus far, the first was the reveal, the second was a gameplay trailer, the first trailer, as said was just a reveal, how did the fans react? "OMG, best RPG of this decade!", then the second one was released, showing nothing but fighting, slashing enemies with swords and a little bit of hitting them with some good old spells, the game recieved the same reaction afterwards.

you know which game it is? no? Skyrim, all it got was a reveal and a gameplay trailer, that didn't show anything but combat, no RPG mechanics, and is still considered the best RPG that's going to be released.

By a very small number of people maybe,  not by any significant number.

Bethseda is not a powerhouse,  they're not even regarded as an RPG studio by many.  In fact,  the truth is,  if there had been any other competition when Oblivion had released,  Bethseda would've been folded long before now.

Because not only are their games bug-ridden messes,  they lack quality and content.  Seriously,  the battle-cry of a Bethseda fan is "Wait until the modders get it,  they'll fix everything!".  You know your studio is going to fail when your fanbase's mantra is "Wait until someone who knows what they're doing fixes the studio's mistakes!".

They've been alienating their customer base since Oblivion,  not a good idea if you intend to stay afloat  Generally speaking,  when you treat people the way Bethseda does,  you can pretty much write off any future sales to those people.  Bethseda's dug themselves quite a hole with the way they publicly mocked Morrowind fans and Fallout fans,  and the way they blacklisted them and Star Trek fans.  Comparing Fallout 3's initial shipment to it's NPD numbers tell a very relevant story on just what is actually going to happen when Skyrim releases.

Skyrim isn't going to be the best RPG of anything,  it'll quickly be forgotten with Diablo 3,  Mass Effect 3 (Yes,  you read that right),  Dead State,  and others coming. 

Skyrim is going to Dragon Age 2,  with any luck,  it'll do what Obivlion should've done,  and remove the blight on the industry that is Bethseda.

[littlezack]

Gatt, you are an extremely unpleasant person.

[Il Divo]

Gatt9 wrote...

By a very small number of people maybe,  not by any significant number.

Bethseda is not a powerhouse,  they're not even regarded as an RPG studio by many.  In fact,  the truth is,  if there had been any other competition when Oblivion had released,  Bethseda would've been folded long before now.

Because not only are their games bug-ridden messes,  they lack quality and content.  Seriously,  the battle-cry of a Bethseda fan is "Wait until the modders get it,  they'll fix everything!".  You know your studio is going to fail when your fanbase's mantra is "Wait until someone who knows what they're doing fixes the studio's mistakes!".

They've been alienating their customer base since Oblivion,  not a good idea if you intend to stay afloat  Generally speaking,  when you treat people the way Bethseda does,  you can pretty much write off any future sales to those people.  Bethseda's dug themselves quite a hole with the way they publicly mocked Morrowind fans and Fallout fans,  and the way they blacklisted them and Star Trek fans.  Comparing Fallout 3's initial shipment to it's NPD numbers tell a very relevant story on just what is actually going to happen when Skyrim releases.

Skyrim isn't going to be the best RPG of anything,  it'll quickly be forgotten with Diablo 3,  Mass Effect 3 (Yes,  you read that right),  Dead State,  and others coming. 

Skyrim is going to Dragon Age 2,  with any luck,  it'll do what Obivlion should've done,  and remove the blight on the industry that is Bethseda.

Don't worry, Gatt. I took the liberty of bolding all your unsupported assumptions for you.

[Fiery Phoenix]

A friend of mine had the pleasure to go to this year's GamesCom and try out some hands-on game demos. Among the ones she played was Skyrim. According to her, the game froze upon entering the first cave, which required a hard reboot.

So yes, unfortunately, I believe Gatt is at least partially right. Bethesda's games, even though I don't really play them, tend to be quite a mess especially in their early days after launch.

Modifié par Fiery Phoenix, 10 octobre 2011 - 04:12 .

[Il Divo]

Fiery Phoenix wrote...

A friend of mine had the pleasure to go to this year's GamesCom and try out some hands-on game demos. Among the ones she played was Skyrim. According to her, the game froze upon entering the first cave, which required a hard reboot.

So yes, unfortunately, I believe Gatt is at least partially right. Bethesda's games, even though I don't really play them, tend to be quite a mess especially in their early days after launch.

Well that was the part that I did leave unbolded.

But either way, you don't produce a game that large without some casualties along the way. In Bethesda's case, I'm willing to forgive more bugs in exchange for the massive game world and freedom they typically provide. It's not quite Obsidian bad, which is on a much smaller scale and with far less available content to players.

Modifié par Il Divo, 10 octobre 2011 - 04:15 .

[Bekkael]

Fiery Phoenix wrote...

A friend of mine had the pleasure to go to this year's GamesCom and try out some hands-on game demos. Among the ones she played was Skyrim. According to her, the game froze upon entering the first cave, which required a hard reboot.

So yes, unfortunately, I believe Gatt is at least partially right. Bethesda's games, even though I don't really play them, tend to be quite a mess especially in their early days after launch.

Which won't keep me or scores of other fans from buying their games and enjoying the hell out of them. I have yet to play any game that was bug-free. BioWare and Bethesda will both continue to get my appreciation and money for the amazing worlds they create and endless hours of pleasure said games deliver. <3

[gammameggon]

Lol @ no content in Bethesda games.

Yeah. Whatever.

[gammameggon]

If I recall, The Elder Scrolls's first trailer...and its epic...showed combat, improved lighting and shadowing tech, improved third person, and indeed did show exploration. Strolling through a town? Walking through a cave...most likely a secret backdoor to a dungeon and lighting it up with a staff? Spanning shots of a rapid stream, massive woodlands, the scale distance from a port town with a windmill, showing draw distance....that all is or inferring exploration. Also showed in order warrior, rogue and mage archetypes.

What do we see in ME3 marketing? Cool dudebro energy swords!!!! Tough rock music, man! Sick gun action, shooting at dem Reapers! "We fight or we die, that's the plan." Fire in the hole! Scratch one bogey! I'm on it! Ill Atlas brah, totally super insane dudes.

This game looks shallow and twitchy fast....animations marketed look terrible. I wonder how many of you guys are CoD maniacs and Gears maniacs and Halo maniacs....because here's a little secret....a lot of us hate those stupid games and how lamely easy they are and how mindlessly boring they are and make fun of them.

Modifié par gammameggon, 10 octobre 2011 - 05:02 .

[Slayer299]

aridor1570 wrote...

Romantiq wrote...

As long as they don't market it as "...THE RISE TO POWER BEGINS [Insert date]"

Very misleading that was. lol

What was misleading about it? you did rise to power in DA2.

You did? When? Where? Because I must have missed it amongst all the other marketing things there <_<

[littlezack]

gammameggon wrote...


This game looks shallow and twitchy fast....animations marketed look terrible. I wonder how many of you guys are CoD maniacs and Gears maniacs and Halo maniacs....because here's a little secret....a lot of us hate those stupid games and how lamely easy they are and how mindlessly boring they are and make fun of them.

Hm. This is douchy, but not quite douchy enough. Maybe you could spout some more stereotypical videogamer elite crap? Talk about how EA is the devil, how videogames were better before kids started playing them, stuff like that? Anything? Come on, if you're going to be a smarmy, self-important, idiotic jerk who derides others tastes in videogames without actually having played them, you've got to give it 100%.

[AtreiyaN7]

gammameggon wrote...

If I recall, The Elder Scrolls's first trailer...and its epic...showed combat, improved lighting and shadowing tech, improved third person, and indeed did show exploration. Strolling through a town? Walking through a cave...most likely a secret backdoor to a dungeon and lighting it up with a staff? Spanning shots of a rapid stream, massive woodlands, the scale distance from a port town with a windmill, showing draw distance....that all is or inferring exploration. Also showed in order warrior, rogue and mage archetypes.

What do we see in ME3 marketing? Cool dudebro energy swords!!!! Tough rock music, man! Sick gun action, shooting at dem Reapers! "We fight or we die, that's the plan." Fire in the hole! Scratch one bogey! I'm on it! Ill Atlas brah, totally super insane dudes.

This game looks shallow and twitchy fast....animations marketed look terrible. I wonder how many of you guys are CoD maniacs and Gears maniacs and Halo maniacs....because here's a little secret....a lot of us hate those stupid games and how lamely easy they are and how mindlessly boring they are and make fun of them.

So, does this have anything to do with marketing or just your usual display of hatred toward shooters, anyone who likes shooters, anything that isn't a sandbox and/or resentment over not having a MAKO)? It sure seems like it is.

These are two different stories, two different styles (one is a sandbox, and one isn't). ME3 is not, and never was, going to be sandbox-like no matter how much you want to force it into that mold. Furthermore, ME3 is clearly focused on a major intergalactic war. I don't know about you, but with the Reapers about to rain hell down on us all and with all organic life facing imminent extinction, I don't think that a trailer that focuses on rolling around in a MAKO and the wonders of climbing some crappy hill on planet <x> makes much sense.

Billions of lives are at stake, and I expect to see us fighting for our lives, as opposed to watching Shepard in a dialogue-heavy  trailer about his/her inner turmoil and angst or the moral implicatons of the Genophage. To me, that would not exactly convey a sense of urgency, danger or desperation.

Modifié par AtreiyaN7, 10 octobre 2011 - 05:47 .

[onelifecrisis]

Yeah, I have to agree with those saying that Bethesda = bugs. Many, many bugs of all shapes and sizes.

[Someone With Mass]

Fiery Phoenix wrote...

A friend of mine had the pleasure to go to this year's GamesCom and try out some hands-on game demos. Among the ones she played was Skyrim. According to her, the game froze upon entering the first cave, which required a hard reboot.

So yes, unfortunately, I believe Gatt is at least partially right. Bethesda's games, even though I don't really play them, tend to be quite a mess especially in their early days after launch.

That goes without saying. I remember how disgustingly buggy New Vegas was a week after launch.

[Cainne Chapel]

littlezack wrote...

gammameggon wrote...


This game looks shallow and twitchy fast....animations marketed look terrible. I wonder how many of you guys are CoD maniacs and Gears maniacs and Halo maniacs....because here's a little secret....a lot of us hate those stupid games and how lamely easy they are and how mindlessly boring they are and make fun of them.

Hm. This is douchy, but not quite douchy enough. Maybe you could spout some more stereotypical videogamer elite crap? Talk about how EA is the devil, how videogames were better before kids started playing them, stuff like that? Anything? Come on, if you're going to be a smarmy, self-important, idiotic jerk who derides others tastes in videogames without actually having played them, you've got to give it 100%.

GOnna have to agree with Zack here.

Gamma you do sound like a broken record my friend.  You DO realize its possible to like things outside of ones own bubble right?

It is possible to play a lot of FPS (which I do), Sports games (which I dont, except Wrestling games) and "Intelligent" games like Strategy and RPG games right? (Which I do as well).

Just because someone like FPS games and MP games, doesn't necessarily mean they're idiots, or they're tastes dont matter. Far from it. and just because something is popular, doesn't mean its bad either.

Are there dumb things that are popular? Sure are, but there's also GOOD things that become popular. ME becoming a big IP is good as far as I can tell and I've enjoyed the ride so far.

To me it seems like ME is something you've never quite... well, liked, judging by your statements as it seems you're trying to mold the game into something its not and has never been.  ME has ALWAYS been a Hybrid RPG/Shooter.  No ifs ands or buts, Everything in both games has been focused around combat. and as far as I can tell has never really been Non linear.  Sure some levels are a bit more "open" in some objective completions but doesn't change the fact that they're linear.

Now as far as Oblivion, Morrowind, Skyrim and Bethesda go... I did enjoy Fallout 3 and Oblivion to an extent (My favorite elder scrolls is STILL Daggerfall)  But as of late, cant quite put my finger on it, but i just haven't enjoyed the Bethesda style games like i used too *shrug* Therefore skyrim, sad to say, isn't really on my list of must haves.  

But, more power to bethesda and I hope it does well.

I think you just need to come to a realization, gamma, that ME wont be sandbox about exploration, never was, neve rwill be and is solely focused on Characters, Story and Action, like its always been.

[Pink_Pyro]

So there's that clown gammameggon. Representing everything bad about being a 'gamer'. There are plenty of examples of his type on the Skyrim forums. And the comments section for Kot, Joystiq, GI, EuroG and every other site.

[Aceattack]

Honestly, a dev of any trilogy is going to have to mature with the game it self ME1 was the opening act where the ground work for the universe was set. ME2 Was the emotional bridge the explains how dire the situation is. And ultimately ME3 is the conclusion at least as far as we know. Bioware's marketing plan has matured and gotten better with each game I would just wait and see what they have in store with the exception of passing off the KoToR series and Neverwinter Nights to Obsidian Bioware has never really disappointed in making a good game.