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[mauro2222]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

mauro2222 wrote...

But you have Thane and Jacob.

That would only count if they danced for me.

Haha, we could change "In the middle" for "Siha, the prizeee"

[Iakus]

Sajuro wrote...

No, the clear solution is that we have a generic group of characters that are neither male or female, they don't have any facial features, or their features are heavily obscured, and they are completely unrelatable to by anyone
that is the only logical solution

Or we could give each character a combat hardsuit individually designed and pattered to somplement unique characteristics and styles.

Too outrageous? 

[AdmiralCheez]

iakus wrote...

Or we could give each character a combat hardsuit individually designed and pattered to somplement unique characteristics and styles.

Too outrageous?

Compromise and reason have no place on the BSN, iakus.  You'd best take your business elsewhere.

[Sunnyko]

iakus wrote...

Sajuro wrote...

No, the clear solution is that we have a generic group of characters that are neither male or female, they don't have any facial features, or their features are heavily obscured, and they are completely unrelatable to by anyone
that is the only logical solution

Or we could give each character a combat hardsuit individually designed and pattered to somplement unique characteristics and styles.

Too outrageous? 

Ikus that, that is what I want so much. But we all know marketing will prevail....

[Illiandri]

Sunnyko wrote...

iakus wrote...

Sajuro wrote...

No, the clear solution is that we have a generic group of characters that are neither male or female, they don't have any facial features, or their features are heavily obscured, and they are completely unrelatable to by anyone
that is the only logical solution

Or we could give each character a combat hardsuit individually designed and pattered to somplement unique characteristics and styles.

Too outrageous? 

Ikus that, that is what I want so much. But we all know marketing will prevail....

Yet it has been said that team members will have proper armour in combat in ME3 and the latex bodysuit is something that Bioware has actually realised that was a bit far fetched an error they fixed with the Appearance Pack 2 where you could give Miranda proper armour. Samara fits my image of a female Templar as perpetuated by the D&D stereotype, Liara wore some good unique clothing, while Jack is Jack, Kasumi is an Infiltrator and therefore her clothing are not for direct combat and Tali is just as smart as the rest of her race when it comes to battleield clothing, another mistake that Bioware rectified in AP2 with the armoured suit. I will reserve judgement until I see Miri in a trailer. If she is still wearing the same Cerberus latex suit I will throw my hands in the air. Btw we know Ashley will have armour so she is not an issue.

[mauro2222]

Illiandri wrote...

Sunnyko wrote...

iakus wrote...

Sajuro wrote...

No, the clear solution is that we have a generic group of characters that are neither male or female, they don't have any facial features, or their features are heavily obscured, and they are completely unrelatable to by anyone
that is the only logical solution

Or we could give each character a combat hardsuit individually designed and pattered to somplement unique characteristics and styles.

Too outrageous? 

Ikus that, that is what I want so much. But we all know marketing will prevail....

Yet it has been said that team members will have proper armour in combat in ME3 and the latex bodysuit is something that Bioware has actually realised that was a bit far fetched an error they fixed with the Appearance Pack 2 where you could give Miranda proper armour. Samara fits my image of a female Templar as perpetuated by the D&D stereotype, Liara wore some good unique clothing, while Jack is Jack, Kasumi is an Infiltrator and therefore her clothing are not for direct combat and Tali is just as smart as the rest of her race when it comes to battleield clothing, another mistake that Bioware rectified in AP2 with the armoured suit. I will reserve judgement until I see Miri in a trailer. If she is still wearing the same Cerberus latex suit I will throw my hands in the air. Btw we know Ashley will have armour so she is not an issue.

I have no trouble regarding cat suits or high heels, ABOARD THE NORMANDY... In the BATTLEFIELD, I want armor.
That is something I didn't like about AP2, Miranda was always inside the armor.

[D.Kain]

mauro2222 wrote...

I have no trouble regarding cat suits or high heels, ABOARD THE NORMANDY... In the BATTLEFIELD, I want armor.
That is something I didn't like about AP2, Miranda was always inside the armor.

Agree 100%.

[Iakus]

Illiandri wrote...

Yet it has been said that team members will have proper armour in combat in ME3 and the latex bodysuit is something that Bioware has actually realised that was a bit far fetched an error they fixed with the Appearance Pack 2 where you could give Miranda proper armour. Samara fits my image of a female Templar as perpetuated by the D&D stereotype, Liara wore some good unique clothing, while Jack is Jack, Kasumi is an Infiltrator and therefore her clothing are not for direct combat and Tali is just as smart as the rest of her race when it comes to battleield clothing, another mistake that Bioware rectified in AP2 with the armoured suit. I will reserve judgement until I see Miri in a trailer. If she is still wearing the same Cerberus latex suit I will throw my hands in the air. Btw we know Ashley will have armour so she is not an issue.

I don't recall seeing anything about all characters wearing armor in combat.  Just assurances that Ash will.  And we've seen Garrus, Liara Kaidan. and Vega too, of course.

If Bioware really has come back around to armored outfits, well, better late than never, I suppose.  Of course, some may think that squadmates wearing armor in combat somehow weird and overly-realistic.  Hope the backlash isn't too strong 

Samra's armor was all right, except she seemed to have broken her zipper (and the heels.  Seriously, she must keep low-level biotics going constantly so she won't fall over

). Jack, Jack rarely left the Normandy on any of my playthroughs, even with the AAP and loyalty outfit. 

Inclined to agree about Kasumi and Tali.  Kasumi's profession and combat style actually somewhat justifies the catsuit.  And even Tali's regular outfit is clearly light quarian armor much like what she wore in ME1.  There's a reason why most of my missions  saw Garrus and Tali as my squadmates.  And it's not just because they were in ME1 as well.

[TuringPoint]

ReiSilver wrote...
If that's the case then why don't we see the guys being badass; running around in highheels? Why can't they look good while they fight too?
I mean just look at this picture of Superman: all ready to fight crime


Doesn't he just look so empowered and classy?
And if you don't like it well I guess you're just a prude who doesn't want anyone to look good!
It's this or Cardigans people! Cardigans and trousers!

Yes, I think high heels are very classy.   In fact I find them remarkably heroic, after seeing that picture. 


All things said, I don't think it was that big of an issue.  I am hopeful Bioware will at least save the sexy outfits for times and places that make sense.

Modifié par Alocormin, 09 octobre 2011 - 07:16 .

[Bogsnot1]

Golden Owl wrote...

AdmiralCheez wrote...

Screw it; everyone's naked.

I mean, Legion went in the buff and no one complained, so why not?

Only if ManShep is really cut and hung....

So you prefer the fireman look over sock puppets?

How can you tell if Shepard is well hung?
You cant get your finger between the noose and his neck.

*badoom tish*

[Tup3x]

I want Bioware to keep things realistic. There is a reason why I do not use Samara in my squad. I had to buy the DLC to give Jack and Miranda something more protective and sane.

[Stardusk78]

Heels and nylon battle bikinis for the win!

[Predi1988]

I agree that the high heels in combat are ridiculous.
As for the armor needs to be more like Shepard's, more bulky... let me quote the Codex entry

"If a bullet or other incoming object gets past the barrier, it contends with the more traditional body armor. A sealed suit of non-porous ballistic cloth provides kinetic and environmental protection, reinforced by lightweight composite ceramic plates in areas that either don't need to flex or require additional coverage, such as the chest and head. When the armor is hit by directed energy weapons, the plates boil away or ablate rather than burning the wearer. "

So the plates are required agains hazardous energy weapons/environmental conditions, like laser, fire, etc. The ballistic cloth, that makes the most of the suit - and I'm pretty much convinced that's true for Miranda's, Kasumi's, Thane's suit - protects against kinetic projectiles, such as pistol, shotgun etc.
That's why I don't mind their looks. Just the high heels. And anyone who don't find their suits realistic, just think back to ME1's light armor.

[Obsidian Gryphon]

*pops in* Them heels are definitely made for walking ... *pops out*

[ZLurps]

If anything these topics make me think how good it would be if players could customise their characters the way they want.
I understand the idea behind streamlining inventory but perhaps in ME3 we could ME2 weapon system (and we know we are going to get weapon mods) but have several armour designs also for NPC characters.
I can see there are people who want their female NPC's in high heels and spandex and who am I to judge their fantasy. Then, I really would like to have my squad to have proper armour when there in combat or exploring in vacuum etc. hazardous area.

There are problems even with that approach, some are technical ones. Nashiktal explained this very well.

Nashiktal wrote...
I also dislike the high heels, but they are there for a reason not just to make miranda's outfit more ridiculous. The high heels ensure characters of all heights stand around the same so that cutscenes and the like can be rendered without errors.

Lets say miranda is without heels, and you grab her at the end of the collector cutscene. Due to her shorter height than say... Thane. When shep grabs her, you would be grabbing empty air, but the cutscene would continue like normal. It would be all out of sync.

The easiest fix for them was to add in high heels (or in some cases platformer shoes)

Then, it might be made it more difficult to write certain things, because they needed to tell, not show on visual media, and we really can't know how BioWare feels about things like that.

Still, with custom armours most players could have better experience, those who like the sexed up outfits can have them. Those who like to see different kind of things, like heavy armoured tanks could have that.

[Zkyire]

Mr.Kusy wrote...

What do you guys have to say about this?

We'll just call the DoD and inform them that soldiers should start wearing high-heels from now on.

I'm sure they'll listen as you obviously know more.

[nitefyre410]

Mr.Kusy wrote...

What do you guys have to say about this?

What do I have to say about that all I have to say is   - Well Played sir, Well played

[Bogsnot1]

nitefyre410 wrote...

Mr.Kusy wrote...

What do you guys have to say about this?

What do I have to say about that all I have to say is   - Well Played sir, Well played

Except that when you run, your heels dont touch the ground. You run on the ball of your foot. Same goes for a previous poster who mentioned Ginger Rogers dancing in heels.

Someone post a vid of people playing a sport such as Soccer, rugby, NFL, or even performing military training, whilst wearing high heels, and then I'll be suitably impressed.

[Hathur]

Bogsnot1 wrote...

Except that when you run, your heels dont touch the ground. You run on the ball of your foot. Same goes for a previous poster who mentioned Ginger Rogers dancing in heels.

Someone post a vid of people playing a sport such as Soccer, rugby, NFL, or even performing military training, whilst wearing high heels, and then I'll be suitably impressed.

Fair points... though I'm still somewhat surprised, if not impressed, that it doesnt' appear as if any of those ladies fell & mangled an ankle... I wasn't able to even walk in a straight line without falling face first and twisting my ankle into a pretzel. 

Modifié par Hathur, 09 octobre 2011 - 01:31 .

[nitefyre410]

Bogsnot1 wrote...

nitefyre410 wrote...

Mr.Kusy wrote...

What do you guys have to say about this?

What do I have to say about that all I have to say is   - Well Played sir, Well played

Except that when you run, your heels dont touch the ground. You run on the ball of your foot. Same goes for a previous poster who mentioned Ginger Rogers dancing in heels.

Someone post a vid of people playing a sport such as Soccer, rugby, NFL, or even performing military training, whilst wearing high heels, and then I'll be suitably impressed.

 


Really - I'm not going to sit and get in a  long drawn out debate about the biomechanics of how a human being runs  to frame discussion about how "unrealistic" it was for a someone to wear heels in  Sci-fi video game.  Especially  a game with Gaint , Talking, robotic, space,squids  bent on purifying the galaxy.  A game were they rebuild  a man/woman after they make planet fall.   Seriously if people want sci-fi/space marine realism ... Go read  Starship Troppers or something.  

This is just a laughable as  DA 2  sword size debate in a game where Mages are summoning Fireballs out of thin air without a visable source to fuel that fireball and not being burn by holding it  in their hand.   


edit: /rant

Modifié par nitefyre410, 09 octobre 2011 - 12:01 .

[Stardusk78]

nitefyre410 wrote...

Bogsnot1 wrote...

nitefyre410 wrote...

Mr.Kusy wrote...

What do you guys have to say about this?

What do I have to say about that all I have to say is   - Well Played sir, Well played

Except that when you run, your heels dont touch the ground. You run on the ball of your foot. Same goes for a previous poster who mentioned Ginger Rogers dancing in heels.

Someone post a vid of people playing a sport such as Soccer, rugby, NFL, or even performing military training, whilst wearing high heels, and then I'll be suitably impressed.

 


Really - I'm not going to sit and get in a  long drawn out debate about the biomechanics of how a human being runs  to frame discussion about how "unrealistic" it was for a someone to wear heels in  Sci-fi video game.  Especially  a game with Gaint , Talking, robotic, space,squids  bent on purifying the galaxy.  A game were they rebuild  a man/woman after they make planet fall.   Seriously if people want sci-fi/space marine realism ... Go read  Starship Troppers or something.  

This is just a laughable as  DA 2  sword size debate in a game where Mages are summoning Fireballs out of thin air without a visable source to fuel that fireball and not being burn by holding it  in their hand.   


edit: /rant

Post is spot on...excellent post.

[Prince Zeel]

nitefyre410 wrote...

Really - I'm not going to sit and get in a  long drawn out debate about the biomechanics of how a human being runs  to frame discussion about how "unrealistic" it was for a someone to wear heels in  Sci-fi video game.  Especially  a game with Gaint , Talking, robotic, space,squids  bent on purifying the galaxy.  A game were they rebuild  a man/woman after they make planet fall.   Seriously if people want sci-fi/space marine realism ... Go read  Starship Troppers or something.  

This is just a laughable as  DA 2  sword size debate in a game where Mages are summoning Fireballs out of thin air without a visable source to fuel that fireball and not being burn by holding it  in their hand.   


edit: /rant

I think this argument is a little facetious. There are certain things the general populace MUST ignore for rpg games to run. If you're arguing, that female high heels is something that should be in the category. Then we are having a debate. But saying "Oh look at all these main rpg components that make no sense, so **** lets throw out logic and reason when it comes to everything else". It's not going to fly.

As far as this s*xualization of women in Mass Effect is concerned, I know where I stand, I'm against this stupid nonsense. Not because I give two flying biscuits about the glorification of sex, but more that this just suggests a trend of compromising game mechanics for sales. I'm all for Bioware making a profit but is it worth it to the series, when we start just throwing in crap to push products? What happened to the GAMEZ.

Also, if you're getting off to these virtual booties, I think you're far too young to be playing Mass effect anyways. Go watch porn, don't try to put your crap in my game.

Finally, Bioware is trying to be a game that is for everyone one, gender, sexuality, race, blah, blah. It can't be trying to shove s/s down our throats at one minute than going well "women gamers?" fk em.

Bull****. Stay consistent Bioware.

Modifié par Prince Zeel, 09 octobre 2011 - 12:21 .

[Bogsnot1]

Prince Zeel wrote...

nitefyre410 wrote...

Really - I'm not going to sit and get in a  long drawn out debate about the biomechanics of how a human being runs  to frame discussion about how "unrealistic" it was for a someone to wear heels in  Sci-fi video game.  Especially  a game with Gaint , Talking, robotic, space,squids  bent on purifying the galaxy.  A game were they rebuild  a man/woman after they make planet fall.   Seriously if people want sci-fi/space marine realism ... Go read  Starship Troppers or something.  

This is just a laughable as  DA 2  sword size debate in a game where Mages are summoning Fireballs out of thin air without a visable source to fuel that fireball and not being burn by holding it  in their hand.   


edit: /rant

I think this argument is a little facetious. There are certain things the general populace MUST ignore for rpg games to run. If you're arguing, that female high heels is something that should be in the category. Then we are having a debate. But saying "Oh look at all these main rpg components that make no sense, so **** lets throw out logic and reason when it comes to everything else". It's not going to fly.

As far as this s*xualization of women in Mass Effect is concerned, I know where I stand, I'm against this stupid nonsense. Not because I give two flying biscuits about the glorification of sex, but more that this just suggests a trend of compromising game mechanics for sales. I'm all for Bioware making a profit but is it worth it to the series, when we start just throwing in crap to push products? What happened to the GAMEZ.

Also, if you're getting off to these virtual booties, I think you're far too young to be playing Mass effect anyways. Go watch porn, don't try to put your crap in my game.

Finally, Bioware is trying to be a game that is for everyone one, gender, sexuality, race, blah, blah. It can't be trying to shove s/s down our throats at one minute than going well "women gamers?" fk em.

Bull****. Stay consistent Bioware.

Mark your calenders folks, I'm actually agreeing with something Zeel said, only he said it much nicer than I would have.

[Il Divo]

iakus wrote...

Actually, Thane's AAP ouotfit does incorporate something that looks much like body armor.  In fact, it would have been a really nice looking outfit if only it was possible to get rid of those "CSI: Illium" shades.

The sun glasses are what bothers me. I've still yet to pick up the AAP.

I'm not necessarilly advocating going back to ME1 style armors.  I'll be the first to say most of those designs were pretty ugly.  But they did establish how armor works in the ME universe, and why it's necessary to wear it in combat rather than superhero costumes.  

But I think it's more of a problem than each outfit merely being ugly. Personally, I consider it to be an instance of bad lore on the part of Mass Effect, which is why arguments to the codex don't really phase me. I liked previous Bioware efforts in KotOR/Jade Empire to allow companions a diverse set of appearances. Admittedly, no one there begins wearing armor, but each still manages to feel different. I don't mind in a series like Star Wars that Han/Leia/Lando can run around in civilian clothing killing full armored storm troopers. I personally see ME in the same light. Give character A armor, character B robes, character C a vest, and make character D a wookie.

Iconic armored looks must be possible.  I mean, look at Grunt and Garrus in ME 2, Kaidan and Liara in ME3 (yes it looks like the asari scientist will get an armored look that doesn't make her look like a soldier).  

I thought her ME3 look was her ME2 Lair of the Shadowbroker look?

[nitefyre410]

 Once again  the BSN - never  fails in giving a good morning laugh to start my day .