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[sponge56]

Is the op being satirical or retarded...I cant tell

[Xilizhra]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

RamirezWolfen wrote...

My apologies, but I didn't exactly get the OP. What are you saying?

It's a parody/critique/commentary/satire of Bioware's attitude of 'yay military leadership, boo politicis/politicians/buracracy.'

I'm actually not quite sure about this. The only good military leaders we know of are Anderson, Hackett with some shadiness, and Kahoku. Mikhailovich is a bit of a tool, General Williams was a xenophobic bastard, TIM... needs no introduction, and we haven't really met any other military leaders.

I almost took you seriously until here, until I realized you weren't even trying to keep a straight face.

Well, he's not actually a bad person, but he never really displays any positive qualities. He holds the same low-grade annoyingness as many politicians.

[Xilizhra]

iOnlySignIn wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

This is why I attack Cerberus for being evil rather than incompetent. If Cerberus was incompetent, they'd scare me less.

Attack that which scares you. It's the same mentality that compelled the Catholic Church to comdemn Galileo.

Just to clarify, I'm indifferent towards Cerberus. I think TIM is a talented man, but what he's done with Cerberus has so far been less than impressive.

Well, now that Cerberus has shown its true colors, my attacks have become a shade easier.

[General User]

sponge56 wrote...

Is the op being satirical or retarded...I cant tell

Dean_the_Young wrote...
It's a parody/critique/commentary/satire of Bioware's attitude of 'yay military leadership, boo politicis/politicians/buracracy.'

Does this help?

[sponge56]

General User wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...
It's a parody/critique/commentary/satire of Bioware's attitude of 'yay military leadership, boo politicis/politicians/buracracy.'

Does this help?

yes thank you, in future I shall learn to read good

[Xilizhra]

iOnlySignIn wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Well, now that Cerberus has shown its true colors, my attacks have become a shade easier.

Huh? What true colors? Spoil it for me. :-)

Oh, the whole Reaper allegiance thing.

[Dean_the_Young]

Xilizhra wrote...

Well, he's not actually a bad person, but he never really displays any positive qualities. He holds the same low-grade annoyingness as many politicians.

Besides disagreement, I meant the point the point of accusing a soldier for being a tool.

[Dean_the_Young]

Xilizhra wrote...

iOnlySignIn wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Well, now that Cerberus has shown its true colors, my attacks have become a shade easier.

Huh? What true colors? Spoil it for me. :-)

Oh, the whole Reaper allegiance thing.

Didn't you just admit a few days ago that you haven't played ME3 either, and so you don't know Cerberus's actual role in ME3?

Or is this something you're going to keep kicking like a can every week, only retracting it when you get challenged for a claim you can't actually support?

[Cyberstrike nTo]

mango smoothie wrote...

mango smoothie wrote...

      Throughout history it's not specifically military that goes in and saves the day it's certain people. Some examples Paul Revere he was not military, but he help start the American Revolution. Charlie Wilson a politician single handly brought down the Soviet Union using politics. So it's not military it's certain people, some turn out to be military people, but not all. In fact most of the time when military takes complete control and deals with the problem themselves it turns the goverment into a dictatorship/police state.    

Also another person to add who was a politician that change things dramatically was James K. Polk who manage to claim most of the southwest, gained the Oregan territory from the british, and annexed Texas. He gained all those territories for the Union and he was a Politician not a military man.

And don't forget about Thomas Jefferson who got the Louisiana Purchase from Napoleon.

Modifié par Cyberstrike nTo, 08 octobre 2011 - 11:19 .

[Dean_the_Young]

iOnlySignIn wrote...

The Humans are known for their individualism, as well as their religious diversity. Whether the System Alliance is authoritarian is debatable, but its economy is very definitely capitalist.

At this point I realized you misunderstood me, so the rest of the post doesn't really apply.

I'm not saying that the species and governments of the mass effect universe are fascist.

[Xilizhra]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

iOnlySignIn wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Well, now that Cerberus has shown its true colors, my attacks have become a shade easier.

Huh? What true colors? Spoil it for me. :-)

Oh, the whole Reaper allegiance thing.

Didn't you just admit a few days ago that you haven't played ME3 either, and so you don't know Cerberus's actual role in ME3?

Or is this something you're going to keep kicking like a can every week, only retracting it when you get challenged for a claim you can't actually support?

I know that they're going to be outright enemies while Shepard is trying to fight the Reapers.

[Dean_the_Young]

Xilizhra wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

iOnlySignIn wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Well, now that Cerberus has shown its true colors, my attacks have become a shade easier.

Huh? What true colors? Spoil it for me. :-)

Oh, the whole Reaper allegiance thing.

Didn't you just admit a few days ago that you haven't played ME3 either, and so you don't know Cerberus's actual role in ME3?

Or is this something you're going to keep kicking like a can every week, only retracting it when you get challenged for a claim you can't actually support?

I know that they're going to be outright enemies while Shepard is trying to fight the Reapers.

And so if Cerberus is an enemy, and the Reapers are enemies, Cerberus must have shown overall allegiance to the Reapers?

That's pretty stupid. The mercenary groups in ME2 were primary enemies, and the Collectors were primary enemies, but the merc groups and Collectors in ME2 were never allied to eachother.

Multiple antagonists does not mean the antagonists are allied. Is this something you are going to keep claiming without proof?

[BatmanPWNS]

iOnlySignIn wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

This is why I attack Cerberus for being evil rather than incompetent. If Cerberus was incompetent, they'd scare me less.

Attack that which scares you. It's the same mentality that compelled the Catholic Church to comdemn Galileo.

Just to clarify, I'm indifferent towards Cerberus. I think TIM is a talented man, but what he's done with Cerberus has so far been less than impressive.

Less than impressive!
The man made humans biotics (Even though hell got loose and lots died)
The man can get any chick he wants.
The man resurrected Shepard!

I'd say that's impressive enough.

[sponge56]

Facism could allow a victory over the reapers, however it would be naive to believe it would go away after the war if organics were victorious. See Ceaser and Cromwell for references to the fact that those with lots of militaristic power will not give it up

[General User]

Another great thread. Cheers, Dean!

After reading this I have to say I'm rather disappointed to see David Anderson going back to the military. He's got to be, hands down, the most likeable (potential) political figure in Mass Effect.

Sure he comes from the military, but military officers moving on to political careers isn't exactly uncommon.

[Knight of Bronze]

ReconTeam wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...
I'd blame it on an American cultural romanticism of the military, and overall militarization of US culture, if Bioware weren't Canadian.

Are you serious? If anything not enough people pay attention to what's going on over in where we're fighting.

This.

[Kusy]

Dean_the_Young wrote...
I'd blame it on an American cultural romanticism of the military, and overall militarization of US culture, if Bioware weren't Canadian.

Sir, you imply there's a difference between the two.

[jamesp81]

lovgreno wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...Nah, communists don't thrive in the Mass Effect universe.

To me it seems like the geth are doing quite well.

They aren't communists.  The similarities between a collective consciousness and a communist state are superficial only.  A communist state is one defined by an authoritarian government with no accountability to its people and a socialist economic system.  The Geth have neither.  The best comparison would be to compare the Geth to an insect hive.  That's where the most parralels can be found.

[filetemo]

what's a politician going to do? talk down to death th reapers?

"don't kill us all, just vote for your candidate and wait till we lower your taxes!"