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[darthnick427]

Appearance wise: Jack being bald and too many tattoos but other than that, awesome character

Personality wise: Racism *cough cough* Ashley *cough cough*, ****y "Miranda and Jack when first recruited." Other than that. Nothing.

[darthnick427]

Fibonacci wrote...

I am going to assume D.K originally was asking about LI's in the ME games and not just lovers in general.

Ash: bigotry may not be the right word.  She seems closed minded to me a certainly a racist in denial.  Other people have differnt opinions on her and that's cool.  This is just how I feel.

Kaiden: I think I am one of the few Kaiden lovers.  I got more of his character from outside the romance.  He can be a bit moody at times which is a turn off, but not so much that it is a deal breaker.

Liara: this one is shoved at you from the start which made me resistant.  In fact it was not until I plated ME2 and LotSB that I actually accepted a Liara LI.  I then went back and made another ME1 run through and romanced her.

Miranda:  too much of a prop.  Shoved at you from the get-go as "teh smexy pixal-doll" for you to romance.  She is also too bossy for me. On my ship, Garrus is the second in command no matter what she says; Miranda is the political officer. Anyway, I found her pushy and pushed at me and those are turn offs to me.

Jacob: I like him.  He is a nioce guy in a questionable role.  He seemed like a rebound from Miranda and while I like him, I would not be willing to wait for long.  "Already?!"  Yeah, well, bunk alone then, pal.

Garrus: scales.  I prefer my lover's to have skin. 

Thane: moody, pining for his lost love and again, scaley.  Another example of male LI = emo-boy that seems to be a theme in some Bioware games.  Not as bad as DA2, but still a turn off.  Emotional baggage is expected; we all have our pasts.  but wallowing in self-loathing is too much.

Jack:  emotional stability is usually a pre-requisite, not the goal of the relationship.  The moral values of a rogue AI and the compassion of a psychotic sociopath.  But really, it's the martyr complex that turns me off.

Tali:  nothing.  Really.  It would be nice if she was a human but there is nothing about her that I would want changed.

Samara: Everything about her is a turn off to me. From her zealotry to her style of dress, it all makes my stomach queasy to even think about her as a LI.

ReallyRue wrote...

... the LI worshipping Shepard. I find that creepy.

Well, like they say: "different strokes."  I'll just leave it at that.

I think you covered everything that I dislike about the romances. But even tho Liara was kind of forced, I did like her character enough to romance the first time, but I still didn't like the romance being forced

and I couldn't agree more. Garrus is my second in command Miranda not you

Modifié par darthnick427, 11 octobre 2011 - 04:59 .

[darthnick427]

jreezy wrote...

darthnick427 wrote...

Appearance wise: Jack being bald and too many tattoos but other than that, awesome character

Personality wise: Racism *cough cough* Ashley *cough cough*, ****y "Miranda and Jack when first recruited." Other than that. Nothing.

Not bald. Shaved. There's a difference.

my bad dude. apologies

[darthnick427]

jreezy wrote...

I might be pretty appauled at Jack if she was indeed bald. I'm glad she isn't. Oh and Ash isn't THAT racist.

Yeah I know she isn't I just don't like her hating on aliens that have done nothing to her like the ME1 squad. It's fine that she's mad for her family being black listed but to blame the entire aliens species is just ignorant and immature. but don't get me wrong that's my only issue with her. I like her otherwise. She's my canon Virmire Survivor.  

[ultimatekotorfan]

jlb524 wrote...

D.Kain wrote...

Ok just a couple of random examples.

Closed LI of Jade Empire accept ANY last choice as oped to open palm ones, for example. 
Recently played Spiderman Web of Shadows, and Black cat cares for Parker anyway, because of his power ( in other words for who he is ) as opposed to Mary that only likes him when he behaves a certain way.
Morrigan won't agree to a threesome like Leliana because she is more selfish, and that is a turn on, and won't betray a player for a random artifact like urn.

I'm totally different.  I like when an LI has motivations that extend beyond the PC.   I want them to have principles and I want them to hate me if I don't share them.

My fave BW LIs are:  Liara (who has her Shadow Broker thing that puts Shepard on the back burner), Jaheira (with her loyalty to the Harpers) and Merrill (who is ultimately loyal to her Dalish heritage).  I like it when they care about something that's beyond themselves.

Anders could be included, couldn't he? But I never could romance him. Too moody.

[AmyMac]

Being a quarian.

[nitefyre410]

jreezy wrote...

darthnick427 wrote...

jreezy wrote...

darthnick427 wrote...

Appearance wise: Jack being bald and too many tattoos but other than that, awesome character

Personality wise: Racism *cough cough* Ashley *cough cough*, ****y "Miranda and Jack when first recruited." Other than that. Nothing.

Not bald. Shaved. There's a difference.

my bad dude. apologies

I might be pretty appauled at Jack if she was indeed bald. I'm glad she isn't. Oh and Ash isn't THAT racist.

 


its that  not Ashley  is racist is that the writer of that line  is a moron or was having a moment of moron   trying to be some big  "ohh commentry on Xenophobia in the galaxy" and all that  jazz. instead of with the standard. "You sir I don't we should be trusting people we know very little about around top of line start of the Art Alliance Tech." Which would have played at better and made ALOT more sense  than stupid analogy aboud a dog and bear that  had nothing to with nothing in the course of the conversation.  


Sorry  / rant 

[Destroy Raiden_]

Being nice to a moody character means I want to do them.

Past characters changing their orientation after confirming their love for one shep and portraying a friendly demeanor with the other.

Characters doing 180s in personality shifts with no explanation on how the hell they jumped like that. We've got the SB base there is no reason we can't now review events that caused said shift.

Characters keep talking about their dead spouse and shep being a moron and using said sad moment to hit on them.

Shep + Jacob + Para = sexual harassment....

Kasumi + stalker behavior on Jacob + said object of affection survives 2 = She likes shep

[Badpie]

 I feel like the deal breakers for my Shepard would vary, though he is very self aware and knows that no one is perfect, least of all him.  I wouldn't say he's "picky," but a woman has to certainly have a certain something.  Things that would keep him away from someone right off the bat:

• Incompetence or general stupidity.  He doesn't have time for that crap.
• Cruelty.  He's a tough guy and can be a bit of an jerk.  He's not a nice man, but he is a good man. (Paragade)
• Age.  He wouldn't consider dating anyone too young.  18 - 22 range is out. 23 and 24 are negotiable. Needs someone on his own personal mental and emotional and social level.
• Too agreeable or doormatty.  Shep likes a little fire in his ladies.  Spirited discussion is always welcome.

Other than that if someone grabs his interest she's probably grabbing it for a good reason.  

 

Modifié par Badpie, 12 octobre 2011 - 02:05 .

[Xeranx]

darthnick427 wrote...

jreezy wrote...

I might be pretty appauled at Jack if she was indeed bald. I'm glad she isn't. Oh and Ash isn't THAT racist.

Yeah I know she isn't I just don't like her hating on aliens that have done nothing to her like the ME1 squad. It's fine that she's mad for her family being black listed but to blame the entire aliens species is just ignorant and immature. but don't get me wrong that's my only issue with her. I like her otherwise. She's my canon Virmire Survivor.  

Which species are you talking about?  Who did Ashley single out as her "tormentors"?

[darthnick427]

Xeranx wrote...

darthnick427 wrote...

jreezy wrote...

I might be pretty appauled at Jack if she was indeed bald. I'm glad she isn't. Oh and Ash isn't THAT racist.

Yeah I know she isn't I just don't like her hating on aliens that have done nothing to her like the ME1 squad. It's fine that she's mad for her family being black listed but to blame the entire aliens species is just ignorant and immature. but don't get me wrong that's my only issue with her. I like her otherwise. She's my canon Virmire Survivor.  

Which species are you talking about?  Who did Ashley single out as her "tormentors"?

Turians as far as I could tell. But she's not to fond of the rest as well since she doesn't trust Garrus and Wrex, at least at first.

[CptData]

darthnick427 wrote...

Xeranx wrote...

darthnick427 wrote...

jreezy wrote...

I might be pretty appauled at Jack if she was indeed bald. I'm glad she isn't. Oh and Ash isn't THAT racist.

Yeah I know she isn't I just don't like her hating on aliens that have done nothing to her like the ME1 squad. It's fine that she's mad for her family being black listed but to blame the entire aliens species is just ignorant and immature. but don't get me wrong that's my only issue with her. I like her otherwise. She's my canon Virmire Survivor.  

Which species are you talking about?  Who did Ashley single out as her "tormentors"?

Turians as far as I could tell. But she's not to fond of the rest as well since she doesn't trust Garrus and Wrex, at least at first.

Hmm, actually, I don't trust someone I don't know. Trust is a bit like respect - you need to earn it first, you can't demand it. Ashley is doing something really human here - and I can't blame her for doing so. It's also no proof she's xenophobic.

I'm sure Ashley trusts Garrus, Wrex, Tali and Liara at the end of the mission like she does to Shepard.

By the way - if I'm right, half of the alien races have racialistic tendencies - most namely Batarians. Also Turians hold a grudge against humans, but far less. Volus seem to be unhappy that humans get a seat in the Council as well ... the races without or with very slightly signs of racism are Asari, Hanar and Elcor. Quarians are protective by nature ...

[Xeranx]

Pressly: "I don't like Turians. Runs in my family."

If anything Ashley's said comes halfway close to those words I'll never attempt to correct anyone on their view of Ashley being a racist again.

[Tenauri]

In Bioware games I always go for the bad girls, IE Jack and Isabella.

Which is funny because IRL I'm exactly the opposite.

[Golden Owl]

darthnick427 wrote...

Xeranx wrote...

darthnick427 wrote...

jreezy wrote...

I might be pretty appauled at Jack if she was indeed bald. I'm glad she isn't. Oh and Ash isn't THAT racist.

Yeah I know she isn't I just don't like her hating on aliens that have done nothing to her like the ME1 squad. It's fine that she's mad for her family being black listed but to blame the entire aliens species is just ignorant and immature. but don't get me wrong that's my only issue with her. I like her otherwise. She's my canon Virmire Survivor.  

Which species are you talking about?  Who did Ashley single out as her "tormentors"?

Turians as far as I could tell. But she's not to fond of the rest as well since she doesn't trust Garrus and Wrex, at least at first.

Ash is actually more of a cynic than speciest....listening to the way she talks about polititions also and her actual dialog about Garrus and Wrex, it's not about them actually being aliens, it's about their freedom on an Alliance ship, they are not Alliance...She is also jealous and quite b*tchy, but not a speciest.

[CptData]

Golden Owl wrote...

darthnick427 wrote...

Xeranx wrote...

darthnick427 wrote...

jreezy wrote...

I might be pretty appauled at Jack if she was indeed bald. I'm glad she isn't. Oh and Ash isn't THAT racist.

Yeah I know she isn't I just don't like her hating on aliens that have done nothing to her like the ME1 squad. It's fine that she's mad for her family being black listed but to blame the entire aliens species is just ignorant and immature. but don't get me wrong that's my only issue with her. I like her otherwise. She's my canon Virmire Survivor.  

Which species are you talking about?  Who did Ashley single out as her "tormentors"?

Turians as far as I could tell. But she's not to fond of the rest as well since she doesn't trust Garrus and Wrex, at least at first.

Ash is actually more of a cynic than speciest....listening to the way she talks about polititions also and her actual dialog about Garrus and Wrex, it's not about them actually being aliens, it's about their freedom on an Alliance ship, they are not Alliance...She is also jealous and quite b*tchy, but not a speciest.

Exactly. She's a realist, to describe her precisely. Interesting note - whenever she's saying something, I can hear myself. Dunno why, but in R/L she could be a soulmate to me. I even do poetry ...

[Razith]

CptData wrote...

Razith wrote...

I hate it when you feel like you are being 'pushed' towards one romance throughout the game those are the ones that I hate. In ME that character for me is Liara T'soni.

Romanced Ash in the first game, romance Tali in the 2nd where Miranda had that vibe going on. If I have to make a choice in ME3 Tali will probably win out in my main playthrough. Ash will get her own loyal playthrough though Eager to see the outcomes, or even when you forgo romance in ME1 save it for ME2 and finalize it in ME3.

I heard guys complaining about a so called "ninja-mance" with Ashley. Seems as if the didn't see it coming. However, you've got a point: some romantic relationships seem to be forced on you. Now, lets say Liara and Miranda (you name them both) do force themselves on you - doesn't it mean they're more active than others? That's something I like - they're not that passive.

What I also kinda dislike is the prereq of "do that loyality mission". I'm fine with it, but since ALL romantic relationships in ME2 start after that LM, they all seem to be a bit forced - I can't explain it, but that's what I am feeling. Do ppl suddenly develop romantic feelings out of nowhere because you did something nice to them? Tali seems to be the only character that already HAS feelings for Shepard, even BEFORE that LM (at least, BW says so). So all other characters develop romantic feelings out of nowhere? Hard to believe ... and kinda turn off.

Yeah it's kinda hard to explain.   Usually it's just the one that feels like they are the poster girl for the game.  ME1 was Liara to me and ME2 was Miranda.  It's not that they are actively seeking Shepard, but more that they seem storyline wise 'special' from the rest. 

Miranda ressurected you and is a genetically perfect human almost.  Liara seems to be everybody's friend and had a huge hand in reviving Shepard by getting the corpse.  Both as well appeared heavily in the comics/other side projects so they seemed to be a larger focus in the universe at the moment than the other LI's.

I think I just prefer my LI to not have the universal spotlight on them, It's hard to say if I'd feel different if they replaced Liara and Miranda with two other LI's like say Tali and Jack were the focus instead.  Supporting cast ftw.

[CptData]

Razith wrote...

CptData wrote...

Razith wrote...

I hate it when you feel like you are being 'pushed' towards one romance throughout the game those are the ones that I hate. In ME that character for me is Liara T'soni.

Romanced Ash in the first game, romance Tali in the 2nd where Miranda had that vibe going on. If I have to make a choice in ME3 Tali will probably win out in my main playthrough. Ash will get her own loyal playthrough though Eager to see the outcomes, or even when you forgo romance in ME1 save it for ME2 and finalize it in ME3.

I heard guys complaining about a so called "ninja-mance" with Ashley. Seems as if the didn't see it coming. However, you've got a point: some romantic relationships seem to be forced on you. Now, lets say Liara and Miranda (you name them both) do force themselves on you - doesn't it mean they're more active than others? That's something I like - they're not that passive.

What I also kinda dislike is the prereq of "do that loyality mission". I'm fine with it, but since ALL romantic relationships in ME2 start after that LM, they all seem to be a bit forced - I can't explain it, but that's what I am feeling. Do ppl suddenly develop romantic feelings out of nowhere because you did something nice to them? Tali seems to be the only character that already HAS feelings for Shepard, even BEFORE that LM (at least, BW says so). So all other characters develop romantic feelings out of nowhere? Hard to believe ... and kinda turn off.

Yeah it's kinda hard to explain.   Usually it's just the one that feels like they are the poster girl for the game.  ME1 was Liara to me and ME2 was Miranda.  It's not that they are actively seeking Shepard, but more that they seem storyline wise 'special' from the rest. 

Miranda ressurected you and is a genetically perfect human almost.  Liara seems to be everybody's friend and had a huge hand in reviving Shepard by getting the corpse.  Both as well appeared heavily in the comics/other side projects so they seemed to be a larger focus in the universe at the moment than the other LI's.

I think I just prefer my LI to not have the universal spotlight on them, It's hard to say if I'd feel different if they replaced Liara and Miranda with two other LI's like say Tali and Jack were the focus instead.  Supporting cast ftw.

That's not a problem for me. Miranda has an interesting character - funny, can't say exactly the same about Liara. She's nice, comes with good looks, but I don't feel any different for her as for a friend. Dunno why, but that's it.

I have no idea why there are so many spotlights on Liara. Actually, making her to the new SB doesn't really work for me. In ME she was a archeologist - and in ME2 she suddenly turns out to be an information broker and doesn't seem to have a problem advancing to the SB within a couple of moments. What made her to an information broker at first? Why did she gave up her old profession?
I believe I never saw a good explanation regarding this problem.
However - I think Liara is a bit Mary-Sueish - and that's a turn off for me.

Miranda is everything, but not a "Mary Sue". A perfect body is not enough - and Miri got not a perfect character.

[Nerys]

I am not a fan of Ash because of her views.
I thought Jacob was a bit "over the top", though he was a nice guy.
I'm just very glad that BW gives us so many great Companions/LI to choose from, because we all have differing opinions about who we like. The fact that we all like different Companions/LI, but all love the game to me is a wonderful thing

[Xeranx]

CptData wrote...

That's not a problem for me. Miranda has an interesting character - funny, can't say exactly the same about Liara. She's nice, comes with good looks, but I don't feel any different for her as for a friend. Dunno why, but that's it.

I have no idea why there are so many spotlights on Liara. Actually, making her to the new SB doesn't really work for me. In ME she was a archeologist - and in ME2 she suddenly turns out to be an information broker and doesn't seem to have a problem advancing to the SB within a couple of moments. What made her to an information broker at first? Why did she gave up her old profession?
I believe I never saw a good explanation regarding this problem.
However - I think Liara is a bit Mary-Sueish - and that's a turn off for me.

Miranda is everything, but not a "Mary Sue". A perfect body is not enough - and Miri got not a perfect character.

In Liara's case I think they realized that there probably wasn't much to her after the first game.  Her purpose for being on our team was her connection to the Protheans.  After giving us Ilos there's nothing much for her there.  

In the Shiala thread we discussed that Shiala actually made a better choice given her current state in the game.  She had the cipher which meant that she had all Prothean knowledge and the language in her mind.  She was also able to process it so that she could give it to Shepard without any harm if there was any danger from the transference.  She, being a commando, is a much better combatant.  Already two things that worked in her favor compared to Liara's usefullness being that she was booksmart.  So they had to give her something to make her essential again.  

And frankly, it's begun to wear on me.  It certainly doesn't help that Liara is Drew's baby so there might be some form of nepotism at work rather than an actual need for the character.  It certainly puts the treatment of the Virmire survivor in a different perspective for me.  I mean, I saw no reason whatsoever for the VS to not be part of Arrival.  None.  Or to have Horizon be a place where the VS can establish that they have to get back to the Alliance to make their report and see if anything else needed to be done before they are cleared to go off duty -- with them later possibly informing Shepard that they would have jumped at the chance to join him/her, but the mention of Cerberus had them second-guessing if Shepard was really Shepard.

[Alexy]

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