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#201
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EternalAmbiguity wrote...

I just have to wonder how many of the characters we're talking about are in ME. Cause I hear names I don't recognize.


We were talking about good female romances in general. One of them if Elika from Prince of persia, the other one is Qara from Neverwinter Nights 2.

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So uhm, i'd like to clear this up.

you cannot consumate it like you can the two 'cannon' options.

A romance is only a romance if there's a fade to black, implied sexy time, scene to go with it?

So Annah, Jaheira, Viconia, Valen, Anomen, Aerie and every romance character that existed before implied consummation aren't actually romances?

Bishop had clear feelings towards to the player character. During the defense of Crossroad Keep he practically begs the PC to stop fighting and just run away with him. It isn't a snide comment as it is in previous conversations either. The PC's influence with him causes him to step away from the final fight, telling the Ultimate Bad "good luck" as he walks away. Obviously comfortable in the knowledge the PC is going to decimate him.

Through-out the game it's made extremely clear that Bishop has an interest in the PC. As you gain influence with him, and continue to travel with him through-out the game, you gain a better understanding of who he is and it becomes quite clear in later game and higher influences that he cares for the PC a great deal.

There's clearly emotional connection, flirting, ultimately Bishop does everything he can to ensure the PC's survival, he might not fight at your side in the end, but he knows he isn't needed for you to survive.

Implied sex or not. Bishop is a romance option. Though it isn't the more conventional romances people tend to see and it's more destructive than loving. It's still a romance.

Edit: Forgive me if this appears hostile in any way, but i felt the need to voice my opinion.

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Sethan_1 wrote...

Yeah, that would be him.  Same avatar != same person.  ;)

Relatively rare avatars in same discussion almost beg for mistake. Other notable cases - when same avatar arguing with each other (ME3 Kaidan against ME3 Kaidan. Must be side effect of L2) or entire pages of Garruses.

And thanks for headsup about NWN2 character. Zevran, though... not that ruthless (mages, elves) and more chaotic neutral than lawful evil.

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I hate it when you feel like you are being 'pushed' towards one romance throughout the game those are the ones that I hate. In ME that character for me is Liara T'soni.

Romanced Ash in the first game, romance Tali in the 2nd where Miranda had that vibe going on. If I have to make a choice in ME3 Tali will probably win out in my main playthrough. Ash will get her own loyal playthrough though :D Eager to see the outcomes, or even when you forgo romance in ME1 save it for ME2 and finalize it in ME3.

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@Sylvanpyxie,

Your point is well taken.

It is my opinion that without the 'fade to black', if it is done for other characters, the romance falls under 'truncated' status. Note that this is primarily viewed relative to what is done for the other characters.

To his credit, Bishop's romantic subplot still got a whole lot more attention to the Neeshka subplot. Neeshka was the one character that fit my initial play-through the best, and I was irritated to no end regarding the treatment she got from the writers.

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I will always cringe when Femshep has to initiate the relationship in a sleazy manner. It runs contrary to her normally professional and considerate attitude. For my rude renegade runs, it makes sense but not for my polite paragons.

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As far as ME LI turn-offs:

I love Thane, but his solipsism/flashbacks are cringe-inducing, mostly because I hate how they're implemented.  I get that Bioware wants us to know what he's "seeing", but I despise the overly flowery language.  I'm perfectly fine that he was married before, it's really just the constant "sunset colored eyes" references that drive the nail in...if they just removed the overly romanticized verbage it would make it a million times better (IMO, of course). 
Dead wife, estranged son, space cancer? - Fine, whatever.  Kodak memory with poetic sensibilites? - F* that, you've gone too far!

I can separate FemShep's horrid behavior towards Jacob as being a reflection on FemShep and not Jacob, but honestly his character just confuses me.  He suffers from the same thing that seems to strike Miranda post Lazarus Station - a sudden and unexplainable case of schizophrenia.  Jacob starts out very obliging and open with Shepard, only to become guarded and closed off once on the Normandy.  I cannot tell you how much I hate his 'no further conversations' dialogue ("Already?! I don't like forcing these talks." Well EXCUSE ME for breathing!).  Him being so defensive towards your concern following his loyalty mission is also very off-putting.  I'm fine with him being okay with the situation, I really am!, but his tone/stance does not correlate with the words coming out of his mouth (once again, IMO).

Garrus is perfect. Hurrdurr.  :B

No real issues with Kaidan, either, except he was a bit too passive.  His attempts at flirting were often so vague, you'd think he was scared FemShep was going to bite his head off.

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Tootles FTW wrote...

As far as ME LI turn-offs:

I love Thane, but his solipsism/flashbacks are cringe-inducing, mostly because I hate how they're implemented.  I get that Bioware wants us to know what he's "seeing", but I despise the overly flowery language.  I'm perfectly fine that he was married before, it's really just the constant "sunset colored eyes" references that drive the nail in...if they just removed the overly romanticized verbage it would make it a million times better (IMO, of course). 
Dead wife, estranged son, space cancer? - Fine, whatever.  Kodak memory with poetic sensibilites? - F* that, you've gone too far!

Aww...:(...I like the expressive language myself and love what it adds to his character...as for the flashing memory thingie though, I concur, more so for the way BW implemented the fast flash pics of his face though, I feel like I'm on the verge of having a fit....:(

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Razith wrote...

I hate it when you feel like you are being 'pushed' towards one romance throughout the game those are the ones that I hate. In ME that character for me is Liara T'soni.

Romanced Ash in the first game, romance Tali in the 2nd where Miranda had that vibe going on. If I have to make a choice in ME3 Tali will probably win out in my main playthrough. Ash will get her own loyal playthrough though :D Eager to see the outcomes, or even when you forgo romance in ME1 save it for ME2 and finalize it in ME3.


I heard guys complaining about a so called "ninja-mance" with Ashley. Seems as if the didn't see it coming. However, you've got a point: some romantic relationships seem to be forced on you. Now, lets say Liara and Miranda (you name them both) do force themselves on you - doesn't it mean they're more active than others? That's something I like - they're not that passive.

What I also kinda dislike is the prereq of "do that loyality mission". I'm fine with it, but since ALL romantic relationships in ME2 start after that LM, they all seem to be a bit forced - I can't explain it, but that's what I am feeling. Do ppl suddenly develop romantic feelings out of nowhere because you did something nice to them? Tali seems to be the only character that already HAS feelings for Shepard, even BEFORE that LM (at least, BW says so). So all other characters develop romantic feelings out of nowhere? Hard to believe ... and kinda turn off.

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Golden Owl wrote...

Tootles FTW wrote...

As far as ME LI turn-offs:

I love Thane, but his solipsism/flashbacks are cringe-inducing, mostly because I hate how they're implemented.  I get that Bioware wants us to know what he's "seeing", but I despise the overly flowery language.  I'm perfectly fine that he was married before, it's really just the constant "sunset colored eyes" references that drive the nail in...if they just removed the overly romanticized verbage it would make it a million times better (IMO, of course). 
Dead wife, estranged son, space cancer? - Fine, whatever.  Kodak memory with poetic sensibilites? - F* that, you've gone too far!

Aww...:(...I like the expressive language myself and love what it adds to his character...as for the flashing memory thingie though, I concur, more so for the way BW implemented the fast flash pics of his face though, I feel like I'm on the verge of having a fit....:(


Image IPB  No sad faces!!  I love Thane, and my 2nd FemShep is all his!  Maybe it's because I have an aversion to poetry?  It's one thing to read flowery descriptions in a novel, and another to have someone use them in a sentence in a completely non-ironic fashion.  I had a guy try to woo me by saying my eyes were "the color of beautiful watermelon seeds" (omgkillmenow) and I about died with laughter, then out of embarassment.

Also, Feron doesn't seem to have the same issue as Thane where he compulsively goes into flashbacks.  I expected it when you asked him about the torture he endured, but he just...responded normally.  Image IPB  Thane led me to believe it was almost involuntary, but I suppose it's not?

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[quote]Tootles FTW wrote...

[quote]Golden Owl wrote...

[quote]Tootles FTW wrote...

As far as ME LI turn-offs:

I love Thane, but his solipsism/flashbacks are cringe-inducing, mostly because I hate how they're implemented.  I get that Bioware wants us to know what he's "seeing", but I despise the overly flowery language.  I'm perfectly fine that he was married before, it's really just the constant "sunset colored eyes" references that drive the nail in...if they just removed the overly romanticized verbage it would make it a million times better (IMO, of course). 
Dead wife, estranged son, space cancer? - Fine, whatever.  Kodak memory with poetic sensibilites? - F* that, you've gone too far!
[/quote]Aww...:(...I like the expressive language myself and love what it adds to his character...as for the flashing memory thingie though, I concur, more so for the way BW implemented the fast flash pics of his face though, I feel like I'm on the verge of having a fit....:(
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Image IPB  No sad faces!!  I love Thane, and my 2nd FemShep is all his!  Maybe it's because I have an aversion to poetry?  It's one thing to read flowery descriptions in a novel, and another to have someone use them in a sentence in a completely non-ironic fashion.  I had a guy try to woo me by saying my eyes were "the color of beautiful watermelon seeds" (omgkillmenow) and I about died with laughter, then out of embarassment.

Also, Feron doesn't seem to have the same issue as Thane where he compulsively goes into flashbacks.  I expected it when you asked him about the torture he endured, but he just...responded normally.  [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/uncertain.png[/smilie]...*little tear trickles from corner of my eye*....:D

You have water melon seed eyes huh?...:huh:....yeah it doesn't really work....:P...just makes them sound kind of leaky and wet....^_^....he seriously needs to work on his style, poor dude...:blush:...And yes an end to Thane's too often flash backs would be much appreciated....take notes from Feron's book.

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Clingy/dependant behaviour, or the LI worshipping Shepard. I find that creepy.

Also, LIs that go on about their own problems a lot but don't seem to care about Shepard's problems. That's actually the area where Jacob is better than the others.

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Old. Well, lemme see if I can put it right. Erm, the pattern for romantic relationships in ME? Old, sticks out like a sore thumb and progressive at "breakneck" speed, somewhat unseemingly and sometimes, downright silly.

I'd prefer to be surprised. I can cite one particular game where I was totally immersed in the protaganist. The story telling was really good, letting one get to know the char. Romance was not in the works but there were potential relationships that were hinted at but never did come to fruition due to the protaganist's char. She valued her friends and never saw anything further. The notion for romance came much much later, out of the blue. The char never actually get into a relationship, in fact, there was only the premise of a buildup. This guy came along and in their exchanges (not friendly, they were on opposite sides of a war), there was a spark. That atmosphere that promised more if she could see past her defensive shield and if he could get to understand her. 

This is something that will never happen in BW games. Image IPB  

Modifié par Obsidian Gryphon, 10 octobre 2011 - 12:45 .


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Obsidian Gryphon wrote...

Old. Well, lemme see if I can put it right. Erm, the pattern for romantic relationships in ME? Old, sticks out like a sore thumb and progressive at "breakneck" speed, somewhat unseemingly and sometimes, downright silly.

I'd prefer to be surprised. I can cite one particular game where I was totally immersed in the protaganist. The story telling was really good, letting one get to know the char. Romance was not in the works but there were potential relationships that were hinted at but never did come to fruition due to the protaganist's char. She valued her friends and never saw anything further. The notion for romance came much much later, out of the blue. The char never actually get into a relationship, in fact, there was only the premise of a buildup. This guy came along and in their exchanges (not friendly, they were on opposite sides of a war), there was a spark. That atmosphere that promised more if she could see past her defensive shield and if he could get to understand her. 

This is something that will never happen in BW games. Image IPB  

 


Thats sounds rather interesting and your right it won't happen in a bioware  ever...sadly 

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The biggest turn-off to romances in Mass Effect is realizing that these men and women would be just as deeply and truly in love with all of you.

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Dean_the_Young wrote...

The biggest turn-off to romances in Mass Effect is realizing that these men and women would be just as deeply and truly in love with all of you.

:P

 


I see what you did there... 

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Sylvanpyxie wrote...

So Annah, Jaheira, Viconia, Valen, Anomen, Aerie and every romance character that existed before implied consummation aren't actually romances?


BG2 romances certainly weren't lacking in implied consummation.

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nitefyre410 wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

The biggest turn-off to romances in Mass Effect is realizing that these men and women would be just as deeply and truly in love with all of you.

:P

 


I see what you did there... 

Who was it who said 'I would not want to join any club that would have me as a member?'

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Being an avian dino-raptor (Garrus). Sorry just...wrong. Sort of reminds me of bestiality.
Having three fingers and chicken feet (Tali). Ewww, as a human why would I want to?
Being cursed and screamed at (Jack). Unapproachable for a reason.

The rest I can see why someone would romance. Kaidan is sweet, Jacob is level-headed and good looking, Ashley is caring and has a good heart, Miranda is sexy and has a soul underneath, Liara at least is humanoid and goes out of her way to care for you, and Thane is also humanoid...and has a fairly interesting backstory (not my cup of tea but I can see why others would like him).

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CptData wrote...

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What I also kinda dislike is the prereq of "do that loyality mission". I'm fine with it, but since ALL romantic relationships in ME2 start after that LM, they all seem to be a bit forced - I can't explain it, but that's what I am feeling. Do ppl suddenly develop romantic feelings out of nowhere because you did something nice to them? Tali seems to be the only character that already HAS feelings for Shepard, even BEFORE that LM (at least, BW says so). So all other characters develop romantic feelings out of nowhere? Hard to believe ... and kinda turn off.

Romance with Jacob may be started before his LM. Before even Horizon, actually.

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mineralica wrote...

CptData wrote...

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What I also kinda dislike is the prereq of "do that loyality mission". I'm fine with it, but since ALL romantic relationships in ME2 start after that LM, they all seem to be a bit forced - I can't explain it, but that's what I am feeling. Do ppl suddenly develop romantic feelings out of nowhere because you did something nice to them? Tali seems to be the only character that already HAS feelings for Shepard, even BEFORE that LM (at least, BW says so). So all other characters develop romantic feelings out of nowhere? Hard to believe ... and kinda turn off.

Romance with Jacob may be started before his LM. Before even Horizon, actually.


Never tried a fem!Shepard and therefore never checked any male characters for LI. So, yeah, maybe my statement is a bit unfair towards Jacob. I'm sorry.

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I am going to assume D.K originally was asking about LI's in the ME games and not just lovers in general.

Ash: bigotry may not be the right word.  She seems closed minded to me a certainly a racist in denial.  Other people have differnt opinions on her and that's cool.  This is just how I feel.

Kaiden: I think I am one of the few Kaiden lovers.  I got more of his character from outside the romance.  He can be a bit moody at times which is a turn off, but not so much that it is a deal breaker.

Liara: this one is shoved at you from the start which made me resistant.  In fact it was not until I plated ME2 and LotSB that I actually accepted a Liara LI.  I then went back and made another ME1 run through and romanced her.

Miranda:  too much of a prop.  Shoved at you from the get-go as "teh smexy pixal-doll" for you to romance.  She is also too bossy for me. On my ship, Garrus is the second in command no matter what she says; Miranda is the political officer. Anyway, I found her pushy and pushed at me and those are turn offs to me.

Jacob: I like him.  He is a nioce guy in a questionable role.  He seemed like a rebound from Miranda and while I like him, I would not be willing to wait for long.  "Already?!"  Yeah, well, bunk alone then, pal.

Garrus: scales.  I prefer my lover's to have skin. 

Thane: moody, pining for his lost love and again, scaley.  Another example of male LI = emo-boy that seems to be a theme in some Bioware games.  Not as bad as DA2, but still a turn off.  Emotional baggage is expected; we all have our pasts.  but wallowing in self-loathing is too much.

Jack:  emotional stability is usually a pre-requisite, not the goal of the relationship.  The moral values of a rogue AI and the compassion of a psychotic sociopath.  But really, it's the martyr complex that turns me off.

Tali:  nothing.  Really.  It would be nice if she was a human but there is nothing about her that I would want changed.

Samara: Everything about her is a turn off to me. From her zealotry to her style of dress, it all makes my stomach queasy to even think about her as a LI.

ReallyRue wrote...

... the LI worshipping Shepard. I find that creepy.

Well, like they say: "different strokes."  I'll just leave it at that. :)

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When they started acting like an **** towards me. My first choices for a love interest in both Mass Effect 1 & Mass Effect 2 did this to me. Ashley got jealous because Shep was talking to Liara. While, Miranda got all ****y towards Shep because he picked Jack's side because he didn't want her ripping apart the Normandy.

So my Shep was all like "F*** dis s*** I'm going with an alien babe". So I romanced Liara & Tali. I'm actually glad I did, since I like both of those characters MUCH more than Ash & Miranda. I might let Ash sacrifice herself on my ultimate ME playthrough before 3 comes out.

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Romance turn offs? Hmm...well...there was this one instance...

Kaidan: JOKER'S WAITING FOR YOU ON THE BRIDGE!

He kicked me out of my own cabin. Jerk. XD

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Dean_the_Young wrote...

nitefyre410 wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

The biggest turn-off to romances in Mass Effect is realizing that these men and women would be just as deeply and truly in love with all of you.

:P

 


I see what you did there... 

Who was it who said 'I would not want to join any club that would have me as a member?'


How many guesses do we get?

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