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http://games.ign.com.../1198290p1.html
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Should we finally see the Quarian?

October 8, 2011
Among the many mysteries of the Mass Effect universe, perhaps none has
inspired as much curiosity as the Quarians. The race that created the
Geth, they have been driven from their homeworld and exist as the
Migrant Fleet.

Without their home planet's atmosphere, they require the constant
support of their enviro-suits lest they fall prey to an extraordinarily
weak immune system. This obscures their faces, creating an aura of
strangeness. Their concealed faces and affiliation with the Geth have
led to mistrust of Quarians throughout the galaxy.


One, though, has become resident among Commander Shepard's team. By the
end of Mass Effect 2, Tali'Zorah vas Neema is a full-fledged member of
Shepard's crew, adopting the name vas Normandy to signify her new home.
In fact, a male Shepard can even engage in a romantic entanglement with her, adding to the mystery.

Despite Tali's prominent role, we still have no idea what she looks like.

Some players are fine with leaving her appearance a mystery. After all,
with the majority of female characters in Mass Effect sexualized to
often ridiculous degrees, Tali's obscured appearance has helped her
stand out as one of the better developed personalities among the
franchise's cast.

Quarians seldom remove their face mask, even among the Migrant Fleet,
but the game's writers managed to find a good excuse for Tali to reveal
her face in Mass Effect 2. If players pursue a romance with Tali, she does exactly that, but only to Shepard; not to the player. This is a crucial disconnect.

For many players, it creates a problem for the game's narrative. The
Mass Effect series is all about choice and making players feel like they
are playing a role, not merely witnessing one from a third-person
perspective. It's called a Role-Playing Game for a reason.

Shepard is a catalyst for players to enter the story. Shielding the
player from Shepard's experiences breaches the player's sense of
immersion.

The resulting disconnect between the player and their on-screen persona
can be jarring, briefly reminding players that it is all just a game
rather than the organic experience it strives to be. Few events create
more disconnect than when your in-game character is privy to information
you are not.

With Mass Effect 3,
Bioware has an opportunity to rectify that disconnect, and create a
potentially powerful moment in the process. As awkward as it was for
Shepard to see Tali's face before the player, it was the right move for
Bioware. The "sex" scene in Mass Effect 2 was not the right place for
such a reveal, especially when an already established side-plot provides
a more in-character solution.

During Mass Effect 2's Shadow Broker DLC, if Shepard has a romance with
Tali then Liara asks what he is fighting for, and whether it is a new
homeworld for Tali. Let's say, hypothetically, that the answer is yes.

Picture the scene: after a hard-fought battle across a new planet,
Shepard and Tali stand victorious over a cliff, beneath a sunrise, or
some equally dramatic backdrop. Tali takes off her mask and the player's
first view of her face sees her breathing in the planet's sterile air.
In that moment it won't matter what she looks like. Her face isn't the
reward, her expression is. The reward is an expression of joy, freedom,
and most importantly, hope for her species' future; emotions that can
only be fully expressed through body language, and have therefore been
denied to Quarians since their exile.

If Tali's face is revealed in Mass Effect 3,
there is no doubt that some fans will inevitably be disappointed. Some
will say it ruins the mystery while others will complain that she
doesn't match what they had envisioned. The safe choice would be for
Bioware to keep Tali's face shrouded. The bold choice, however, would be
to reveal her face, and to do so in such a way that the actual
appearance is irrelevant. After all, players can already see the outline
of Tali's face behind her visor, giving us a vague sense of what she
looks like.

What players want to see isn't just Tali's face, but the expressions it
can make, adding yet another level of emotional depth and complexity to a
fan favorite character.
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Modifié par RussianSpy27, 09 octobre 2011 - 01:36 .


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Hathur

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Been posted already in a recent thread I believe.

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My time machine works!

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Tali's whole allure is her anonymity. Why do fans want to take that away.

I JUST DONT GET IT.

it's like Gatsu from berserk using a regular size sword. HIS WHOLE icon is the bigass sword and his rage. why do you tamper, BSN? why?

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Why, yes, we should see her face at last.
I'm not buying that "her faceless nature is the whole deal, the mystery, you're going to kill the mystery!" crap, yes, some people won't like the design and will troll, complain and threat to set the Bioware studios on fire...and then they'll get over it.

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Prince Zeel wrote...

Tali's whole allure is her anonymity. Why do fans want to take that away.

I JUST DONT GET IT.

it's like Gatsu from berserk using a regular size sword. HIS WHOLE icon is the bigass sword and his rage. why do you tamper, BSN? why?


There are many things you'll never get with that attitude.

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Prince Zeel wrote...

Tali's whole allure is her anonymity. Why do fans want to take that away.

I JUST DONT GET IT.

it's like Gatsu from berserk using a regular size sword. HIS WHOLE icon is the bigass sword and his rage. why do you tamper, BSN? why?

 


That is a good point   +10  for mentioning Berserk  

It does not bother me either way   though  I think its more with  her being the "Untouchable"  more than anonymity... Like why people like Rogue so much. 

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Prince Zeel wrote...

Tali's whole allure is her anonymity. Why do fans want to take that away.

I JUST DONT GET IT.

it's like Gatsu from berserk using a regular size sword. HIS WHOLE icon is the bigass sword and his rage. why do you tamper, BSN? why?

I'm more interested in seeing Kasumi's hair than seeing Tali's face.

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Congratulations, you know how to use the copy/paste functionality in Windows.

Edit: I agree that they should show Tali's face, but only after she has tried to emulate Garrus by headbutting a missile.

Modifié par Bogsnot1, 09 octobre 2011 - 01:50 .


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Put me on the record: no matter how her face looks, people will ****.

"not alien enough"
"not human enough"
"too ugly"
"not hot enough"
"OMG WHY THEY REVEAL

I think the safest thing to do is just leave it be. No one here needs to see her face. Her face isnt crucial to saving the world. So let sleeping dogs lie.

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I think Bioware need to reveal Tali's face because at some point someone is going to want to reveal how quarians look like under suits as this is a universe that is going to live on. I think it's better to use Tali as the template now as the longer they wait the worse the rage will get.

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Prince Zeel wrote...

Put me on the record: no matter how her face looks, people will ****.

"not alien enough"
"not human enough"
"too ugly"
"not hot enough"
"OMG WHY THEY REVEAL

I think the safest thing to do is just leave it be. No one here needs to see her face. Her face isnt crucial to saving the world. So let sleeping dogs lie.


And that's why they shouldn't even make ME3. After all, people on the internet may not like it and complain! Why take that risk when we can all use the power of our imaginations to envision how the Reapers will or will not be defeated?

Modifié par DaringMoosejaw, 09 octobre 2011 - 02:05 .


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Tali is exactly the wrong Quarian to do that. She´s the one who can´t measure up to whatever fans are thinking she looks like. I think Reegar would be a better one, he only has to look badass.

And no pointed ears please. The eyes already look elf enough.

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DaringMoosejaw wrote...

Prince Zeel wrote...

Put me on the record: no matter how her face looks, people will ****.

"not alien enough"
"not human enough"
"too ugly"
"not hot enough"
"OMG WHY THEY REVEAL

I think the safest thing to do is just leave it be. No one here needs to see her face. Her face isnt crucial to saving the world. So let sleeping dogs lie.


And that's why they shouldn't even make ME3. After all, people on the internet may not like it and complain! Why take that risk when we can all use the power of our imaginations to envision how the Reapers will or will not be defeated?


Bad argument. Tali's face is some ridiculously insignificant facet of the game. I ask you guys again, why even attempt to appease these fans?

Also, they make ME3 for money. Let's keep that sh#t straight atleast.

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Its times like this that Bioware - pisses me off - this constant mulling over of Tali's. If they are going to do it - then DO IT. If not than announce you know going to do it and move on this never ending. "Oh, um, maybe, if we have the right design" Hell Run a contest to have people design a look and have some big name video game concept artist and a producer judge them. Set the rules that it has follow the biology of Quarian set in universe and see what you get. Hell Ubisoft had Hans Zimmer judge for the contest for the Theme Song for AC: Revelations and that worked out pretty damn well. This never ending back and forth about it is annoying..


Just do something either way...

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Prince Zeel wrote...

DaringMoosejaw wrote...

Prince Zeel wrote...

Put me on the record: no matter how her face looks, people will ****.

"not alien enough"
"not human enough"
"too ugly"
"not hot enough"
"OMG WHY THEY REVEAL

I think the safest thing to do is just leave it be. No one here needs to see her face. Her face isnt crucial to saving the world. So let sleeping dogs lie.


And that's why they shouldn't even make ME3. After all, people on the internet may not like it and complain! Why take that risk when we can all use the power of our imaginations to envision how the Reapers will or will not be defeated?


Bad argument. Tali's face is some ridiculously insignificant facet of the game. I ask you guys again, why even attempt to appease these fans?

Also, they make ME3 for money. Let's keep that sh#t straight atleast.


But characters are heels are really important?  

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Prince Zeel wrote...

Bad argument. Tali's face is some ridiculously insignificant facet of the game. I ask you guys again, why even attempt to appease these fans?

Also, they make ME3 for money. Let's keep that sh#t straight atleast.


You're are a very grumpy chap aren't ya? :? ... sorry, not trying to be hostile.. justs seems everything you post is done in very ill temper.

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Hell Why they just let us decide if we want to see her face or not as an romance option, ****ing Hell

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This is already being discussed in the character and romance thread.

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Personally I think Tali is boring, so don't really care if we see her face or not -- I know in the past I've said they should just show her face because it shouldn't be built up as if it's some sort of grand cosmic mystery, but what I should have said is they should just show what the general quarian male and female looks like, because it isn't a mystery to anyone in the ME universe. Many asari still remember them before they wore suits; quarians leave the migrant fleet on pilgrimages and do interact with other species (sometimes intimately - *cough* turian on Ilium *cough*); and some get killed outside the fleet so it shouldn't be surprising how much is publically documented on their physiology. If you were able to, Dr Chakwas should be able to just give you picture diagrams and medical info on them.

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I really think they going to drag it out. I played male shep (usually don't) just to have her as one of my LI TO SEE HER FACE. I went to the ends of the galaxy to get her in bed lol and then all I see is the back of her head. Yep i'm pretty sure the developers are going to make us wait...and wait...

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CptBomBom00 wrote...

Hell Why they just let us decide if we want to see her face or not as an romance option, ****ing Hell


Exactly my thoughts.

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CptBomBom00 wrote...

Hell Why they just let us decide if we want to see her face or not as an romance option, ****ing Hell


Because Internet. You'll see it, no matter what, whether in-game or not.

I want them to show her face though.:o

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Some things you just dont need to know or see.   Tali appearance being one of them.

Still wont stop people forever asking for it though

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Why should I give a **** about IGN's opinion?