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[Tup3x]

Show it or don't. It doesn't really matter to me.

[A Great Biotic Wind]

It sounds like the author gets a fangasm when describing the tali scenario for mass effect 3......

[Rivercurse]

The PLC wrote...

Why should I give a **** about IGN's opinion?

If you don't care, what are you doing in a thread about IGN's opinions ffs.

[medcsu]

Prince Zeel wrote...

Tali's whole allure is her anonymity. Why do fans want to take that away.

I JUST DONT GET IT.

it's like Gatsu from berserk using a regular size sword. HIS WHOLE icon is the bigass sword and his rage. why do you tamper, BSN? why?

Because they are sexually attracted to pixels.

[MoogleNut]

While it would be nice to see what a quarian loooks like, it's not a game-breaker for me whether we see Tali's face or not - so long as it's not tied to romance, since not every Shep wants to or is allowed to romance her - those on the friends only path shouldn't be cut out of any reveal.

Because that would just be mean.

[joe4201]

Thank you for citing this and not claiming it as your own as I would expect many other people here to do.

[Kaiser Shepard]

Prince Zeel wrote...

Tali's whole allure is her anonymity. Why do fans want to take that away.

I JUST DONT GET IT.

it's like Gatsu from berserk using a regular size sword. HIS WHOLE icon is the bigass sword and his rage. why do you tamper, BSN? why?

Agreed, but the same goes for many other aspects of the series: the Reapers' motives being "beyond" our comprehension, Thane entire character revolving about him dying... 

The thing is, I can understand the fans not understanding what makes a good character great, but for some reason it seems like the writers themselves don't really understand it either, despite being (partially) responsible for said characters.

[eternalnightmare13]

Prince Zeel wrote...

Tali's whole allure is her anonymity. Why do fans want to take that away.

I diagree. Her allure is her personality. Finding her fascinating only because of her helmet is superficial.   Bioware should've either never had her take off her mask in that scene to start with or shown her face in ME2.  IGN is correct in that the way that Bioware did it was a major disconnect.  

[Kaiser Arian XVII]

You mean this:



or this:

Modifié par Jedi Sentinel Arian, 09 octobre 2011 - 04:55 .

[111987]

The PLC wrote...

Why should I give a **** about IGN's opinion?

Um, you don't. But believe it or not sometimes it's nice to hear other people's opinions, even if you don't agree with them, so you avoid being narrow-minded and self-centered.

[Raiders Fan 223]

I want to see her face, moreso just out of curiosity.

I feel that Bioware would be making a mistake and taking the easy way out if they don't.

[CheeseJam]

This has probably been suggested before, but.....

How about giving the players a choice to see her face.  It could even be an interupt in a situation like IGN described.  This way, both groups would be happy.

[nitefyre410]

CheeseJam wrote...

This has probably been suggested before, but.....

How about giving the players a choice to see her face.  It could even be an interupt in a situation like IGN described.  This way, both groups would be happy.

 

but even with that some will not be happy - I would be cool with a choice. 

[BlaCKRodjj]

eternalnightmare13 wrote...

Prince Zeel wrote...

Tali's whole allure is her anonymity. Why do fans want to take that away.

I diagree. Her allure is her personality. Finding her fascinating only because of her helmet is superficial.   Bioware should've either never had her take off her mask in that scene to start with or shown her face in ME2.  IGN is correct in that the way that Bioware did it was a major disconnect.  

This
Now they don't have much choice but to show her face, something i'm happy about.

[Dreadcall]

The PLC wrote...

Why should I give a **** about IGN's opinion?

Because unlike many other times they got this one right.

[DarthSliver]

I think Tali's Face should be reveals but not just to any schmuck, Id say reveal her to the Shepards who are only Romancing her. Meaning they didnt cheat for Tali or on Tali.

[xxSgt_Reed_24xx]

Just do it. Everyone wants to know whether they want to admit it or not.

[100k]

If players pursue a romance with Tali, she does exactly that, but only to Shepard; not to the player. This is a crucial disconnect...

For many players, it creates a problem for the game's narrative.

What?

Shepard is a catalyst for players to enter the story.

Wrong. Wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong! Shepard IS a character IN Mass Effect. Shepard IS NOT the player. There are simply too many instances where Shepard reacts and interacts separate from player control. In ME1, it went so far as Shepard having his own personal history -- moments of emotional release, religion [within player control to a degree], and personality.

Shepard is every bit as separate from the player as Geralt or Jensen is to their players. Choosing to make Shepard look like you doesn't make that any more valid.

[Murova]

i just want to see what Quarians look like, not tali

[Sgt Stryker]

100k wrote...

If players pursue a romance with Tali, she does exactly that, but only to Shepard; not to the player. This is a crucial disconnect...

For many players, it creates a problem for the game's narrative.

What?

Shepard is a catalyst for players to enter the story.

Wrong. Wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong! Shepard IS a character IN Mass Effect. Shepard IS NOT the player. There are simply too many instances where Shepard reacts and interacts separate from player control. In ME1, it went so far as Shepard having his own personal history -- moments of emotional release, religion [within player control to a degree], and personality.

Shepard is every bit as separate from the player as Geralt or Jensen is to their players. Choosing to make Shepard look like you doesn't make that any more valid.

I like this human! He understands!

I am not Shepard, and Shepard is not me. I don't know if anyone else shares the same viewpoint as me, but I see myself as a director/scriptwriter (with a limited degree of control) when I play Mass Effect games, not as Shepard.

Modifié par Sgt Stryker, 09 octobre 2011 - 06:26 .

[CptBomBom00]

Sgt Stryker wrote...

100k wrote...

If players pursue a romance with Tali, she does exactly that, but only to Shepard; not to the player. This is a crucial disconnect...

For many players, it creates a problem for the game's narrative.

What?

Shepard is a catalyst for players to enter the story.

Wrong. Wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong! Shepard IS a character IN Mass Effect. Shepard IS NOT the player. There are simply too many instances where Shepard reacts and interacts separate from player control. In ME1, it went so far as Shepard having his own personal history -- moments of emotional release, religion [within player control to a degree], and personality.

Shepard is every bit as separate from the player as Geralt or Jensen is to their players. Choosing to make Shepard look like you doesn't make that any more valid.

I like this human! He understands!

I am not Shepard, and Shepard is not me.

Shepard is just a avatr to be used by us and is us that make differnces through him in ME games, that's the way I see it.:happy::happy:

[100k]

CptBomBom00 wrote...

Sgt Stryker wrote...

100k wrote...

If players pursue a romance with Tali, she does exactly that, but only to Shepard; not to the player. This is a crucial disconnect...

For many players, it creates a problem for the game's narrative.

What?

Shepard is a catalyst for players to enter the story.

Wrong. Wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong! Shepard IS a character IN Mass Effect. Shepard IS NOT the player. There are simply too many instances where Shepard reacts and interacts separate from player control. In ME1, it went so far as Shepard having his own personal history -- moments of emotional release, religion [within player control to a degree], and personality.

Shepard is every bit as separate from the player as Geralt or Jensen is to their players. Choosing to make Shepard look like you doesn't make that any more valid.

I like this human! He understands!

I am not Shepard, and Shepard is not me.

Shepard is just a avatr to be used by us and is us that make differnces through him in ME games, that's the way I see it.:happy::happy:

Yep. We are the author, and Shepard is our character. 

J.K. Rowling may have written Harry Potter, his traits, his personal thoughts, his actions, etc -- but she is not Harry. Injecting yourself into a character 100% only works in one perspective: the first person perspective.

[Sgt Stryker]

100k wrote...

J.K. Rowling may have written Harry Potter, his traits, his personal thoughts, his actions, etc -- but she is not Harry. Injecting yourself into a character 100% only works in one perspective: the first person perspective.

Or bad fan-fiction.

[gosimmons]

Can't we just let the writers decide whether they want to show her face or not?
*gets mauled by both sides of the argument*

[Fredvdp]

All we know is that she has a somewhat human nose and eyes. If they reveal her face we'll see another alien that looks too much like us. Unless they somehow integrate the aliens' resemblance into the main storyline (which is after all about organic evolution), they would only underline their lack of imagination. Not that Mass Effect lacks inspiration, but this is how it could be interpreted.