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[amk-aka-phantom]

Prince Zeel wrote...

Tali's whole allure is her anonymity. Why do fans want to take that away.

I JUST DONT GET IT.

Because the series will be over with ME3 and there's no more point to that allure, it's more interesting to have everything answered. Besides, Tali's "allure" for me is not her hidden face, but her character and her race.

[amk-aka-phantom]

Fredvdp wrote...

All we know is that she has a somewhat human nose and eyes. If they reveal her face we'll see another alien that looks too much like us. Unless they somehow integrate the aliens' resemblance into the main storyline (which is after all about organic evolution), they would only underline their lack of imagination. Not that Mass Effect lacks inspiration, but this is how it could be interpreted.

I don't see a point in making aliens look very different from humans other than for the hell of it and proving that "our imagination is NOT lazy". A biped is the most logical evolution for every being, especially on planets that carry oxygen-breathing life. Thus quarians, turians, asari, drell are all bipeds that closely resemble humans. Then there're hanar, elcor and volus who don't look much like us. Sure, a biped alien doesn't satisfy the traditional sci-fi nonsense of everything looking very different from what humans are used to, but I'm fine with it. Much prefer that to traditional "let's make an alien that looks like some kind of nightmare and pretend they're <different>"

However, an explanation to why asari are THAT close to human females would be nice 

Edit: No pointy ears xD

Modifié par amk-aka-phantom, 09 octobre 2011 - 06:48 .

[CptBomBom00]

amk-aka-phantom wrote...

Prince Zeel wrote...

Tali's whole allure is her anonymity. Why do fans want to take that away.

I JUST DONT GET IT.

Because the series will be over with ME3 and there's no more point to that allure, it's more interesting to have everything answered. Besides, Tali's "allure" for me is not her hidden face, but her character and her race.

Romance Option if you want reveal her face for your satisfaction that's it.

[amk-aka-phantom]

CptBomBom00 wrote...

Romance Option if you want reveal her face for your satisfaction that's it.

That would be the best approach; and make sure the dialogue path to achieve it is complex enough.

Modifié par amk-aka-phantom, 09 octobre 2011 - 06:50 .

[CptBomBom00]

[quote]amk-aka-phantom wrote...

[quote]CptBomBom00 wrote...

Romance Option if you want reveal her face for your satisfaction that's it.[/quote]

That would be the best approach; and make sure the dialogue path to achieve it is complex enough.

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Yeah someone agrees with me :O that's actually awesome.:O

[Bluko]

(Be nice if the link worked...)

Anyways it's good to see an article from IGN that looks like some thought went into it for a change. And  for the most part I'm inclined to agree with the author. Bioware could play it safe and show us nothing new in ME3. Or they could take some intiative with what is their own work. I'm not really sure why they'd even be afraid to show Tali as quite frankly pretty much anything Bioware does is a source for controversy amongst fans. Damned if you do, and damned if you don't. Personally in such circumstances I opt to take the step forward, since even if you do make a mistake you can at least learn from it.

Personally seeing Tali's face  isn't all that important to me. I just want to see what the heck a Quarian actually looks like. Doesn't need to be Tali. Mass Effect has become notoriously bad at not-showing things which should be shown. I'm really hoping ME3 will put a stop this. Seriously why haven't we seen a Female Turian, Jump Zero, or Alliance Marines in some actual uniform? I realize there's a limit to what can be shown, but this is the third game. Is it really too much too ask to see a few different character models?

Or is Mass Effect always to remain like this...


Edit: I didn't violate the rules. Rule #2  even says  "Using images to support your discussion is fine"

Must I type out and explain that Tim's neighbor from Home Improvement never shows his face and that it is related to the frustration some of us have with certain things never being revealed in Mass Effect?

Modifié par Bluko, 09 octobre 2011 - 07:24 .

[Selene Moonsong]

As far as I know, BioWare has made no decision (publicly) on this at all, and I am seeing complaints as if the decision has been made, implemented, and revealed in a teaser.

As a player, I am torn as to whether or not their appearance should be revealed.

However, there is dialogue in ME 2 suggesting that the longer lived races can still remember what a Quarian looks like without their exo-suits.

Since ME 3 is the last of the ME Trilogy, I can accept that if the appearance is to be revealed, that it only be under the right circumstances and that it needs to be a very dramatic situation.

[amk-aka-phantom]

Selene Moonsong wrote...

Seriously why haven't we seen a Female Turian, Jump Zero, or Alliance Marines in some actual uniform? I realize there's a limit to what can be shown, but this is the third game. Is it really too much too ask to see a few different character models?

You can see some Alliance Marines in ME1. Hell, even Normandy SR-1 has some. However, we MUST see other things you mentioned.

[CptBomBom00]

Yeah Female Turians.

[amk-aka-phantom]

Selene Moonsong wrote...

As far as I know, BioWare has made no decision (publicly) on this at all, and I am seeing complaints as if the decision has been made, implemented, and revealed in a teaser.

As a player, I am torn as to whether or not their appearance should be revealed.

However, there is dialogue in ME 2 suggesting that the longer lived races can still remember what a Quarian looks like without their exo-suits.

Since ME 3 is the last of the ME Trilogy, I can accept that if the appearance is to be revealed, that it only be under the right circumstances and that it needs to be a very dramatic situation.

I don't see why it should be "dramatic". Shepard has already seen Tali's face and as players, we deserve to know it at any point.

Complaints are here so that BW doesn't get lazy If the players would just accept and be glad about everything, BW's standards would lower and we'd see something like <insert the name of some game with lame repetative plot>

[LPPrince]

My answer here- http://vyou.com/a/994954

[Bluko]

amk-aka-phantom wrote...

You can see some Alliance Marines in ME1. Hell, even Normandy SR-1 has some. However, we MUST see other things you mentioned.

But not in an actual uniform. I find it odd that the Alliance Marines we see don't have a standard issue armor, even though apparently Shepard does. Although we probably shouldn't go too off topic here since this is really about seeing Tali's/Quarians face(s).

[Han Shot First]

Whether or not Tali's face in particular is revealed is a bit of a non-issue for me, though if this were a poll I'd vote 'reveal.' That being said I do think however that Bioware should reveal what the Quarians look like behind the masks, even if they don't reveal what Tali looks like in particular.

Even if it is just an artist's drawing in the codex (like the first glimpse at the Batarians) the Quarians should be revealed. It is a bit odd that the player doesn't have access to information that Shepard and the rest of the galaxy would be privy to. The Quarians have only been wearing those masks for only 300 years. There are living Asari who interacted with Quarians before they left Rannoch, and no doubt an ample amount of video of Quarians from news reports and other media from before they lost their homeworld. Their appearance is only a mystery to the player.

[amk-aka-phantom]

Bluko wrote...

amk-aka-phantom wrote...

You can see some Alliance Marines in ME1. Hell, even Normandy SR-1 has some. However, we MUST see other things you mentioned.

But not in an actual uniform. I find it odd that the Alliance Marines we see don't have a standard issue armor, even though apparently Shepard does. Although we probably shouldn't go too off topic here since this is really about seeing Tali's/Quarians face(s).

Marines on the SR-1 ARE uniformed. If you want to see their standard issue armor, go to the mission where an Alliance outpost is attacked by the rachni. (BTW, that's Kaidan's default armor, too)

[DarthSliver]

People complaining about Tali looking too human is invalid. Who is to say real Aliens dont look exactly like humans and have been living on Earth among us all this time, but we never knew because we think Aliens look monstrous or look like evolved lizards.

As it is i remember Bioware told us they decided whether they would or wouldnt reveal Tali, but we dont know what way they decided and we wont until ME3.

Modifié par DarthSliver, 09 octobre 2011 - 07:38 .

[K_Tabris]

At this point, Bioware has already made the decision whether or not to reveal Tali's face. So, all the speculation s moot.

[NPH11]

Either way, the forums will by rocked by arguments no matter what they do. If they reveal it, some will like it and I think most will whine. If they don't reveal it, some will agree with the decision, and I think most will whine.

Whoever wins, we lose.

[Homey C-Dawg]

After all, players can already see the outline of Tali's face behind her visor, giving us a vague sense of what she looks like.

It was kind of nice of them to acknowledge this part. I've never understood why people think we have no idea what she looks like. If you spend enough time around her you can see pretty much exactly what her face looks like except for the mouth and hair (and I don't think she has hair).

I'd like them to show it, and the way they discribed in that article would be a classy way to do it, but as Novinha pointed out, Bioware has already decided what to do with her so it doesn't really matter much anymore.

[Nashiktal]

That is... Actually a well written and balanced argument. I was expecting bashing of some sort against the ME fanbase.

Huh.

[Selene Moonsong]

amk-aka-phantom wrote...

Selene Moonsong wrote...

Seriously why haven't we seen a Female Turian, Jump Zero, or Alliance Marines in some actual uniform? I realize there's a limit to what can be shown, but this is the third game. Is it really too much too ask to see a few different character models?

You can see some Alliance Marines in ME1. Hell, even Normandy SR-1 has some. However, we MUST see other things you mentioned.

Still trying to figure out where that post you attribute to me came from, it wasn't in this topic, this is only the second post I made in this discussion and I don't see hoe it directly relates to this topic.

Modifié par Selene Moonsong, 09 octobre 2011 - 11:40 .

[onelifecrisis]

Hmm, I think Tali's face is another example of something that was fooked up in ME2 and shouldn't be unfooked in ME3. In other words, I think they should have shown her face in ME2 (partly to avoid that "disconnect") but they didn't, which leaves them in a situation where showing it in ME3 would be kind of dumb.

[Anacronian Stryx]

Selene Moonsong wrote...

As far as I know, BioWare has made no decision (publicly) on this at all, and I am seeing complaints as if the decision has been made, implemented, and revealed in a teaser.

As a player, I am torn as to whether or not their appearance should be revealed.

However, there is dialogue in ME 2 suggesting that the longer lived races can still remember what a Quarian looks like without their exo-suits.

Since ME 3 is the last of the ME Trilogy, I can accept that if the appearance is to be revealed, that it only be under the right circumstances and that it needs to be a very dramatic situation.

I always thought that everybody living in the ME universe knew..or rather had a good chance of knowing what the quarians looks like under the masks, After all they were a council race 300 years ago there must be vid files of them or something?

It's a secret yes but not in the game world but rather secret the game keeps from the player.

[SilentNukee]

Maybe they'll reveal some other random Quarian's face (I'm guessing male), not Tali's, but this can leave it up to the player's imagination to decide what she looks like with hints of a quarian's actual features.

[Xeranx]

Frankly I'd rather they use another Quarian to reveal actual facial features. Yeah, it'd be a cop-out, but people would be able to make up their own minds given what would (essentially) be a foundation.

I don't want Tali's face reveal to be only with male Shepard. ME3 is supposed to allow for friendship paths (FINALLY!!). Typically with friendships you tend to see more than you would a significant other. The latter almost begs for discretion until such a time you absolutely feel comfortable to divulge secrets which is usually after sex. The former, however, doesn't need that. You'll see ups and downs easily enough and your friends (or you yourself) won't have it in the back of your mind to keep quiet about whatever secrets you have.

In short, if you're going to do the reveal then do it across the board.

Also, for the love of all the Grey Goose vodka in the world, DO NOT let the playerbase or people pick what her look is going to be. Decide it yourself. That way I can direct my frustrations at the right people. 

Modifié par Xeranx, 09 octobre 2011 - 11:53 .

[eye basher]

I don't care about tali and for all i care the quarians can just go crash into the sun but they should show Tali's face. People are going to rage about it regardless at least it will be funny that way.