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[Ulathar]

DuckSoup wrote...
Nobody guaranteed anything. My point was that they may have had a completely dedicated MP team working on it so that the single player element was not compromised through time constraints.

That's very likely actually because MP elements and programming are quite different from SP.

[bleetman]

'Urgh' just about covers it.

Urgh.

[Gravity Bun]

Lunatic LK47 wrote...

Gravity Bun wrote...

I don't know why this is such a polarizing issue.
If you don't like/don't want multiplayer, don't play it.

There is something called WASTE OF RESOURCES. Learn2Think.

Calm your nerd rage, it's just a game.

[Xewaka]

Lunatic LK47 wrote...
Critical thinking skills. Multiplayer's gimmick is all about "PLAY NOW NOW NOW NOW NOW NOW!" What about those gamers that are on the fence about it? Price drops are not even an option. What are you going to say "**** you for being cautious?"

Team Fortress 2 came out four years ago. It's still healthy.

[RamirezWolfen]

marshalleck wrote...

RamirezWolfen wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

UnadoptedTrack wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

ahahaha

What the hell is so ****ing funny?

This whole situation. Don't mind me, I'll just be siting over here with a smug, self-satisfied smirk on my face. 

Phaedon will have to update his thread!

You enjoy other people's misery over optional features?

Schaudenfreude is my midle name. 

Well, no not really, but it should be. 

Also, I like to watch people eat crow.

I approve.

[culletron1]

Ok ok ok ok I am sitting in work after reading this for the first time... I am trying to hold in the rage... I know if I write a big whiney rage filled post no one will read it anyway...  but you know, *** it this is therapy for me !!!!!

*BEGIN RANT*

What the hell are they doing putting MP into ME??? The vast majority of fans don't want it !!! So why are they doing it?? 

Perhaps they think "Ok I know that nobody wants it BUT its going to be so awesome that they will want it once they see what an amazing job we did on it" or more likely they are thinking "oh oh oh pressure from EA to do this... keep the game on the shelf for longer!! Lets get the COD crowd!!! $$$$$" 

If its the former and not the latter than, you know, thats kind of OK I guess. It just better ****ing not noticably impact the quality of the single player.

If its the latter then WHAT THE HELL are you people doing??? They are not going to get the COD crowd !!! BW are chasing unicorns!

If I want a quick fun multiplayer experience I will play *gasp* COD becuase they do it BETTER than anyone else... If I want a deep fulfilling multiplayer experience I will play Starcraft !!! You can't possibly compete with those games....
CoD (love it or hate it) has nailed the run and gun multiplayer experience. SC2 is like chess on steroids. You are not going to come **CLOSE** to those games. So from a market perspective this seems stupid too.

Bioware used to fill a niche in the market... they did it better than anyone. They made games that you lived in. Games that you thought about when you went to sleep at night... 

If we end up with another DA2 - ie a horrible mut of a game which in its attempt to please everyone was loathed by its core fans and ignored by the people it wanted to woo - I am going to be so disappointed. 

And I know there are studios out there who are making they type of RPGs we want but when bioware concentrate on making actual RPGs they do it better than anyone... Its a sad day for gaming if they are going after the "run and gun" market.

*END RANT*

[CroGamer002]

RamirezWolfen wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

UnadoptedTrack wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

ahahaha

What the hell is so ****ing funny?

This whole situation. Don't mind me, I'll just be siting over here with a smug, self-satisfied smirk on my face. 

Phaedon will have to update his thread!

You enjoy other people's misery over optional features?

That's just pathetic.

[Lunatic LK47]

DuckSoup wrote...

Nobody guaranteed anything. My point was that they may have had a completely dedicated MP team working on it so that the single player element was not compromised through time constraints.

Problem is both teams CAN screw up because of the time constraints, regardless of whether or not they're in two separate teams. No development team is immune to that. All the funding on multiplayer could have been better spent on making sure our data imports worked properly and less Conrad Verner glitches.

[dayvancowboy1]

Lunatic LK47 wrote...

TobyHasEyes wrote...

 I accept the point that they may have had a different team on MP, and different funding from EA specifically to do MP, and if that is the case then I don't have an issue. I probably should phrased it as 'you can be quite sure' as admittedly we don't know for certain

Having different teams doesn't guarantee any consistency in quality. Medal of Honor 2010 and Brothers in Arms: Hell's Highway already proved that.

they proved what? that their single player teams were s*** and couldn't write and produce a decent SP mode? well sucks for them. fortunately that's not the case with bioware.

[UnadoptedTrack]

marshalleck wrote...

RamirezWolfen wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

UnadoptedTrack wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

ahahaha

What the hell is so ****ing funny?

This whole situation. Don't mind me, I'll just be siting over here with a smug, self-satisfied smirk on my face. 

Phaedon will have to update his thread!

You enjoy other people's misery over optional features?

Schaudenfreude is my midle name. 

Well, no not really, but it should be. 

Also, I like to watch people eat crow.

He's babbling. Shoot him.

[frustratemyself]

dayvancowboy1 wrote...

 it's my birthday today

Happy birthday bro

[Lunatic LK47]

Xewaka wrote...

Lunatic LK47 wrote...
Critical thinking skills. Multiplayer's gimmick is all about "PLAY NOW NOW NOW NOW NOW NOW!" What about those gamers that are on the fence about it? Price drops are not even an option. What are you going to say "**** you for being cautious?"

Team Fortress 2 came out four years ago. It's still healthy.

How many people actually play PC games now, besides Steam users?

[Hathur]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

Hathur wrote...

... afterall I did enjoy playing Neverwinter Nights and Baldur's Gate 1&2 in co-op multiplayer many many years ago.

Wait.  classic Bioware RPGs with multiplayer?  Before they sold out to EA and started catering to the low-brow masses?

This... this changes everything.  I need to lie down.

I think a lot of people forgot this simple little fact... either that or they're from a younger generation of gamers who never played Bioware's older games.

Modifié par Hathur, 10 octobre 2011 - 11:16 .

[UnadoptedTrack]

Lunatic LK47 wrote...

Xewaka wrote...

Lunatic LK47 wrote...
Critical thinking skills. Multiplayer's gimmick is all about "PLAY NOW NOW NOW NOW NOW NOW!" What about those gamers that are on the fence about it? Price drops are not even an option. What are you going to say "**** you for being cautious?"

Team Fortress 2 came out four years ago. It's still healthy.

How many people actually play PC games now, besides Steam users?

About twice as many as PS3 or Xbox 360.

[MarauderESP]

oh....MP = less time to add content.... its a pitty..

[Blooddrunk1004]

culletron1 wrote...

Ok ok ok ok I am sitting in work after reading this for the first time... I am trying to hold in the rage... I know if I write a big whiney rage filled post no one will read it anyway...  but you know, *** it this is therapy for me !!!!!

*BEGIN RANT*

What the hell are they doing putting MP into ME??? The vast majority of fans don't want it !!! So why are they doing it?? 

Perhaps they think "Ok I know that nobody wants it BUT its going to be so awesome that they will want it once they see what an amazing job we did on it" or more likely they are thinking "oh oh oh pressure from EA to do this... keep the game on the shelf for longer!! Lets get the COD crowd!!! $$$$$" 

If its the former and not the latter than, you know, thats kind of OK I guess. It just better ****ing not noticably impact the quality of the single player.

If its the latter then WHAT THE HELL are you people doing??? They are not going to get the COD crowd !!! BW are chasing unicorns!

If I want a quick fun multiplayer experience I will play *gasp* COD becuase they do it BETTER than anyone else... If I want a deep fulfilling multiplayer experience I will play Starcraft !!! You can't possibly compete with those games....
CoD (love it or hate it) has nailed the run and gun multiplayer experience. SC2 is like chess on steroids. You are not going to come **CLOSE** to those games. So from a market perspective this seems stupid too.

Bioware used to fill a niche in the market... they did it better than anyone. They made games that you lived in. Games that you thought about when you went to sleep at night... 

If we end up with another DA2 - ie a horrible mut of a game which in its attempt to please everyone was loathed by its core fans and ignored by the people it wanted to woo - I am going to be so disappointed. 

And I know there are studios out there who are making they type of RPGs we want but when bioware concentrate on making actual RPGs they do it better than anyone... Its a sad day for gaming if they are going after the "run and gun" market.

*END RANT*

Good, use your agressive fellings, let the hate flow through you.
Show no mercy, do not hesitate and your transformation to the Dark Side will be complete!

[RamirezWolfen]

Lunatic LK47 wrote...

Xewaka wrote...

Lunatic LK47 wrote...
Critical thinking skills. Multiplayer's gimmick is all about "PLAY NOW NOW NOW NOW NOW NOW!" What about those gamers that are on the fence about it? Price drops are not even an option. What are you going to say "**** you for being cautious?"

Team Fortress 2 came out four years ago. It's still healthy.

How many people actually play PC games now, besides Steam users?

A lot of people.

[Pink_Pyro]

Pretty sure most 'pc gamers' have Steam installed. You'd be a fool not to have it with all those titles available.

[crimzontearz]

what a waste of money and resources

[Lunatic LK47]

dayvancowboy1 wrote...

Lunatic LK47 wrote...

TobyHasEyes wrote...

 I accept the point that they may have had a different team on MP, and different funding from EA specifically to do MP, and if that is the case then I don't have an issue. I probably should phrased it as 'you can be quite sure' as admittedly we don't know for certain

Having different teams doesn't guarantee any consistency in quality. Medal of Honor 2010 and Brothers in Arms: Hell's Highway already proved that.

they proved what? that their single player teams were s*** and couldn't write and produce a decent SP mode? well sucks for them. fortunately that's not the case with bioware.

Their multiplayer teams also sucked because of lackluster gameplay and networking problems. Conveniently forgot that?

[Tootles FTW]

If the game were 1) out, and 2) awful, I could understand the hyperbolic accusations.  Until then, or at least until some official Bioware Word-of-God information becomes available, I don't understand all the heat coming off of this firey nerd-rage. 

Bioware hasn't attempted MP in recent years - who is to say they won't kick **** at that, as well?  Even if that requires some mild suspension of disbelief, do it.  DO IT.  Your blood pressure thanks you.

[Busby530]

Here's what the multiplayer will consist of: You on a kinect. Your buddy on another. You have to act out manshep and Vega's s/s love scene. Then all of BSN's rage and hurt can be combined into one scene.

[culletron1]

Blooddrunk1004 wrote...

culletron1 wrote...

Ok ok ok ok I am sitting in work after reading this for the first time... I am trying to hold in the rage... I know if I write a big whiney rage filled post no one will read it anyway...  but you know, *** it this is therapy for me !!!!!

*BEGIN RANT*

What the hell are they doing putting MP into ME??? The vast majority of fans don't want it !!! So why are they doing it?? 

Perhaps they think "Ok I know that nobody wants it BUT its going to be so awesome that they will want it once they see what an amazing job we did on it" or more likely they are thinking "oh oh oh pressure from EA to do this... keep the game on the shelf for longer!! Lets get the COD crowd!!! $$$$$" 

If its the former and not the latter than, you know, thats kind of OK I guess. It just better ****ing not noticably impact the quality of the single player.

If its the latter then WHAT THE HELL are you people doing??? They are not going to get the COD crowd !!! BW are chasing unicorns!

If I want a quick fun multiplayer experience I will play *gasp* COD becuase they do it BETTER than anyone else... If I want a deep fulfilling multiplayer experience I will play Starcraft !!! You can't possibly compete with those games....
CoD (love it or hate it) has nailed the run and gun multiplayer experience. SC2 is like chess on steroids. You are not going to come **CLOSE** to those games. So from a market perspective this seems stupid too.

Bioware used to fill a niche in the market... they did it better than anyone. They made games that you lived in. Games that you thought about when you went to sleep at night... 

If we end up with another DA2 - ie a horrible mut of a game which in its attempt to please everyone was loathed by its core fans and ignored by the people it wanted to woo - I am going to be so disappointed. 

And I know there are studios out there who are making they type of RPGs we want but when bioware concentrate on making actual RPGs they do it better than anyone... Its a sad day for gaming if they are going after the "run and gun" market.

*END RANT*

Good, use your agressive fellings, let the hate flow through you.
Show no mercy, do not hesitate and your transformation to the Dark Side will be complete!

lol - thanks