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#1876
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iakus wrote...

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If it was some future DLC  which people had to buy separately, it indeed would be optional. But if it comes with the main game, it means people who don't want it (like me) will have to pay for it anyways, because its price is already included in the price of the game.

Also, how you can be so sure about mp not having impact on the singleplayer 
experience?

Maybe there were additional missions or side-quests that were cut because of this. Maybe some companions became cameos just because BW didn't have enough resources for bigger squad and multiplayer, and they decided to cut the team down. 

We'll never know how exactly mp influenced the main game.


Very much this.


You have admitted lots of times not playing as a femshep. Do you complain about all that money you wasted because Bioware spend money on her, I wonder? :innocent:

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didymos1120 wrote...

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Money, the root of all evil.


Actually it's "love of money", not money itself.  Still wrong though: money is a pretty recent invention, compared to how long the species has been around.

You are correct. I guess you could say that "Currency" is the root of all evil. Well that or spiders. Image IPB

Modifié par M8DMAN, 10 octobre 2011 - 10:35 .


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I wanted to post and discuss in this thread but the truth its that many of the arguments people have in regards to mp are so incredibly stupid that is not worth to discuss them. I will simply wait and learn more about how the co-op works before saying if it sucks or not and I will not be as arrogant as to say how bioware should run their company or how they should make their games (looking at you darkeus)

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Sylvianus wrote...

You have repeatedly denied that there would be no multiplayer and there will be.


No, they repeatedly evaded.

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gammameggon wrote...

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Question-

Who's canceling their preorders? And I mean REALLY.


I already did. Skyrim is now paid off because of it...the Collector's Edition.

I just gave Bethesda a lot of money, and money once directly intended for BioWare is now in a Bethesda bank account.


Just because they included multiplayer?

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See.... I have real life friends so this will probably be fun for me!

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So is saying you don't want to give MS money. If you purchased a new 360, accessories for the system, and new games to play on it; you have given MS money. 


No, I don't want to gave them additional money to play a game feature (MP) for a game that I bought. I don't hate MS, otherwise I would've bought the PS3.

Modifié par hhh89, 10 octobre 2011 - 10:36 .


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Dragoonlordz wrote...

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I literally laughing at all the MP hate right now. They've been working on this game for years and the Devs are doing FULL PLAYTHROUGHS every day. Single player's being perfected yet eeveryone's whining "waaah it's taking away from single player" and Multiplayer is OPTIONAL, news flash, nealry EVERYTHING in ME is optional. Jesus people, grow up.


Back at you.


Why should ADLegend grow up? They're not the ones threatening to kill themselves over this announcement.

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Edge 7 wrote...

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Battlefield is actually decent.


Portal 2 does co-op right, being seperate from the main story.

I could go on but what does that have to do with the fact that time was wasted on a feature a small minority will use and actually care about?

You see right there? If Portal 2 can do it right, why can't Mass Effect, a game with a defense and power system that begs for a team based mode? What we're getting is co-op missions seperate from the main story.

I just bolded the Battlefield quote because its an example of a vs game done right, but that doesn't really apply to this situation.


There are so many examples that I can give of it being an epic fail too.

And also the main point..  Mass Effect does not need Multiplayer.  It takes away from a single player experience and in my opinion wastes resources on an unneeded and unwanted feature.

It is like when the NCAA guys at EA add Mascot Showdown.  No one wants to play football with the damn mascots.

Well, no one wants to play co-op when there is one of the greatest video game stories told going on.

It is like Dead Space 2's multiplayer, unwanted and destined to be unplayed.

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gammameggon wrote...

LPPrince wrote...

Question-

Who's canceling their preorders? And I mean REALLY.


I already did. Skyrim is now paid off because of it...the Collector's Edition.

I just gave Bethesda a lot of money, and money once directly intended for BioWare is now in a Bethesda bank account.


Waiting for the explanation before I decide.

But still furious

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challenger18 wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

ADLegend21 wrote...

I literally laughing at all the MP hate right now. They've been working on this game for years and the Devs are doing FULL PLAYTHROUGHS every day. Single player's being perfected yet eeveryone's whining "waaah it's taking away from single player" and Multiplayer is OPTIONAL, news flash, nealry EVERYTHING in ME is optional. Jesus people, grow up.


Back at you.


Why should ADLegend grow up? They're not the ones threatening to kill themselves over this announcement.


Laughing at others who are upset is childish. Hence why I said it.

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Darkeus wrote...

Problem is, I doubt that happened. 

You can't have MP in your game without diverting resources from other things.  You can't have MP without devoting memory and disc space. You can't have MP in a game with out focusing on getting it right.

This all sounds like taking resources and time away from the Single Player to me.


Why not Darkeus? Bioware just signed with one of the biggest publishers in gaming. This is coop, not competitive multiplayer. You cannot compare this to CoD, Dead Space 2, or any of those games because it is not the same system and it is not the same challenges.

At best you can only compare it to CoD Spec Ops modes, Halo and Gear's system, and a few others.

You say that resources spent are limited exactly to the initial budget. That if you want to do something, you have to take from somewhere else.

That is completely and utterly wrong. Has the term "overbudget" never passed through your ears? Bioware could easily say "Hey EA, we want to do multiplayer, care to give us more money?" or EA could say "Hey Bioware, we want a multiplayer component in your game, here's more money. Oh, you need more time? Sure, delay the game."

Your system of diverting resources is not real life. These people don't work with a perfectly balanced budget. They go over, they come under, they delay games to do things right.

ME3 has been delayed. We find out that coop has been added. It really is not that hard to decide that maybe, just maybe, it was done to do mulitplayer.

The only two components necessary to do something in video games are time and money. They got extra time, they got extra money. Why is it so freaking hard to admit that this might work?

Also, I want to elaborate on a previous point. If the single player is finished, what exactly do you expect bioware to put those resources towards? Do you want them to incorporate half written script that was tossed at the beginning of development? Do you expect them to code in another meaningless sidequest? Do you expect them to rewrite all the design decisions at the beginning of development because suddenly they have more time and money?

Everyone I've seen vehemently oppose coop has either aluded to this justification or outright stated it. "We want them to spend those resources on singleplayer!" without actually providing any examples as to what they want the devs to do with those resources. How do you want them to be spent? What aspect of singleplayer do you think needs work that these resources could be spent on?

In short, what's wrong that needs fixing?

Because if nothing is wrong and nothing needs fixing, why not make coop? 

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People saying that BW said repeatedly that there wouldn't be any multiplayer: do you have any proof? Saying there wouldn't be and sidestepping the topic are two very different things.

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gammameggon wrote...

LPPrince wrote...

Question-

Who's canceling their preorders? And I mean REALLY.


I already did. Skyrim is now paid off because of it...the Collector's Edition.

I just gave Bethesda a lot of money, and money once directly intended for BioWare is now in a Bethesda bank account.


You've just bought a PVC statue of a dragon and miscellaneous knickkacks for 90 bucks, no doubt assembled for pennies on the dollar somewhere in China. What don't you have to be proud of?

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hhh89 wrote...

No, I don't want to gave them money to play a game feature (MP) for a game that I bought. I don't hate MS, otherwise I would've bought the PS3.



Ah, but you're not giving MS money to play a game you bought, you're paying them so you can use a survice they provide. Whether you wish to use all the features that survice provides or think it should be free is another discussion entirely.

Modifié par challenger18, 10 octobre 2011 - 10:38 .


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cachx wrote...

iakus wrote...

Babe Mause wrote...

If it was some future DLC  which people had to buy separately, it indeed would be optional. But if it comes with the main game, it means people who don't want it (like me) will have to pay for it anyways, because its price is already included in the price of the game.

Also, how you can be so sure about mp not having impact on the singleplayer 
experience?

Maybe there were additional missions or side-quests that were cut because of this. Maybe some companions became cameos just because BW didn't have enough resources for bigger squad and multiplayer, and they decided to cut the team down. 

We'll never know how exactly mp influenced the main game.


Very much this.


You have admitted lots of times not playing as a femshep. Do you complain about all that money you wasted because Bioware spend money on her, I wonder? :innocent:


But Fem shep is a popular choice and well loved my ME fans.

I doubt MP will be loved by many at all..  One is a choice that some don't make.  The other is a tacked on feature that the game does not need.

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SavesTheDay wrote...

gammameggon wrote...

LPPrince wrote...

Question-

Who's canceling their preorders? And I mean REALLY.


I already did. Skyrim is now paid off because of it...the Collector's Edition.

I just gave Bethesda a lot of money, and money once directly intended for BioWare is now in a Bethesda bank account.


Just because they included multiplayer?


Of course overreactions is the norm on this forum(Not saying canceling preorder is a overreaction). There was another person hinting at the end of rpgs which I found hilarious. Then suicide was mentioned.

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BatmanPWNS wrote...

GayFemshep wrote...

[qoutes[/i] ] Chewin3 wrote...

challenger18 wrote...

Assassins Creed Brotherhood, Uncharted 2, and Portal 2. All completely terrible single player games when they added in the MP, AMIRITE?
[/qoutes[/i]]

I'd not include AC brotherhood in that list. The singleplayer was so short. It suffered,


And yet it's the quickest and  best selling Assassin's Creed game right now and got Action Game of the Year. So it really didn't suffer much at all.


Haven't played ACB, couldn't say, but awards don't equal true superiority.  COD Black Ops and Generic Soldier #6624 got game of the year and character of the year, so, um... Depends on the source, I guess.  Whether I think it or not (in this point, the I means the specific opinion of whatever individual is thinking, not ME per say).

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gammameggon wrote...

LPPrince wrote...

Question-

Who's canceling their preorders? And I mean REALLY.


I already did. Skyrim is now paid off because of it...the Collector's Edition.

I just gave Bethesda a lot of money, and money once directly intended for BioWare is now in a Bethesda bank account.


Do you really preorder Skyrim's CE? Spending a lot of money for a dragon statue and a map, and no actual additional game content?
You have money to waste.

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Dragoonlordz wrote...

Laughing at others who are upset is childish.


There goes most comedy.

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didymos1120 wrote...

Sylvianus wrote...

You have repeatedly denied that there would be no multiplayer and there will be.


No, they repeatedly evaded.

Yes chris Prestly has always said, " we don't comment rumors " , but I remember when the bsn again ****ing about multiplayer, a tweet where they said there will be no multiplayer in M3. It was clear. I even was surprised and disappointed at the time. I haven't dream I hope. :pinched:

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Those clever publishers. They wait till like 2 months after I fully pay off my CE to say there's MP. I wouldn't have canceled either way, but still. Well played. lol

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gamer_girl wrote...

People saying that BW said repeatedly that there wouldn't be any multiplayer: do you have any proof? Saying there wouldn't be and sidestepping the topic are two very different things.


http://social.biowar...5946/70#8479779

Different action producing the same result as if had lied in first place.

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challenger18 wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

ADLegend21 wrote...

I literally laughing at all the MP hate right now. They've been working on this game for years and the Devs are doing FULL PLAYTHROUGHS every day. Single player's being perfected yet eeveryone's whining "waaah it's taking away from single player" and Multiplayer is OPTIONAL, news flash, nealry EVERYTHING in ME is optional. Jesus people, grow up.


Back at you.


Why should ADLegend grow up? They're not the ones threatening to kill themselves over this announcement.


"Irony", we dismissed that.

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GuardianAngel470 wrote...

Darkeus wrote...

Problem is, I doubt that happened. 

You can't have MP in your game without diverting resources from other things.  You can't have MP without devoting memory and disc space. You can't have MP in a game with out focusing on getting it right.

This all sounds like taking resources and time away from the Single Player to me.


Why not Darkeus? Bioware just signed with one of the biggest publishers in gaming. This is coop, not competitive multiplayer. You cannot compare this to CoD, Dead Space 2, or any of those games because it is not the same system and it is not the same challenges.

At best you can only compare it to CoD Spec Ops modes, Halo and Gear's system, and a few others.

You say that resources spent are limited exactly to the initial budget. That if you want to do something, you have to take from somewhere else.

That is completely and utterly wrong. Has the term "overbudget" never passed through your ears? Bioware could easily say "Hey EA, we want to do multiplayer, care to give us more money?" or EA could say "Hey Bioware, we want a multiplayer component in your game, here's more money. Oh, you need more time? Sure, delay the game."

Your system of diverting resources is not real life. These people don't work with a perfectly balanced budget. They go over, they come under, they delay games to do things right.

ME3 has been delayed. We find out that coop has been added. It really is not that hard to decide that maybe, just maybe, it was done to do mulitplayer.

The only two components necessary to do something in video games are time and money. They got extra time, they got extra money. Why is it so freaking hard to admit that this might work?

Also, I want to elaborate on a previous point. If the single player is finished, what exactly do you expect bioware to put those resources towards? Do you want them to incorporate half written script that was tossed at the beginning of development? Do you expect them to code in another meaningless sidequest? Do you expect them to rewrite all the design decisions at the beginning of development because suddenly they have more time and money?

Everyone I've seen vehemently oppose coop has either aluded to this justification or outright stated it. "We want them to spend those resources on singleplayer!" without actually providing any examples as to what they want the devs to do with those resources. How do you want them to be spent? What aspect of singleplayer do you think needs work that these resources could be spent on?

In short, what's wrong that needs fixing?

Because if nothing is wrong and nothing needs fixing, why not make coop? 


Get off the internet sane reasonable person.