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[In Exile]

Vaeliorin wrote...

The important question is...can I play the co-op missions solo with AI teammates? If so, I'm not overly fussed. If I have to play with other people to access that content, though, I'm not going to be happy.

It's 4 person Co-Op separate from the main game, so I would bet not. 

[Nerevar-as]

SnowHeart1 wrote...

Chris Priestly wrote...

Happy Canadian Thanksgiving everyone. I am at my inlays having dinner, so ma typing this on an iPhone. Excuse the larger than usual amounts of spelling errors.

As mentioned by Casey on Twitter, we are confirming that there will be 4 player Co-op multiplayer missions for Mass Effect 3. We will have more details on this feature on Wednesday when the announcement was supposed to be made.

I know the immediate reaction by some is to panic and think of how this will ruin the Mass Effect series or whatever. PLEASE do not over react or assume the worst until you actually hear details on this feature and how it will work. I will try to get approval to give you details so you can make up your minds with the correct details. Marketing's plan was to announce on Wednesday, but I'll see if I can speed this up.

So, until you learn the details, I urge people to have cautious optimism or wary negativity until you get the real details. Thanks everyone. Stay tuned.

Chris, this was the nicest post I think I've ever seen from you. I'm convinced. The end times are nigh!!!

I would be more relieved if I hadn´t seen so many similar posts about DA2 claiming how despite the short dev cycle the game wasn´t rushed and how much it still felt like Origins despite the changes. So I´ll decide when I play it. But ME3 is looking more and more like the last BW game I´ll get.

[SavesTheDay]

The co-op is four player? How would that work? Also, if it ends up being even remotely as fun as Left 4 Dead, I'll be very happy.

[Ghost Lightning]

gamer_girl wrote...

In Exile wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...

"BioWare lied to us!"—So what. They're under no obligation to tell us the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth. They're a business, not our BFF. 

So you seriously think business should lie to their customers? 

Find the proof that they lied. Then your question will be valid.

if this thread didn't move so fast you'd see the multiple links

[Darkeus]

Lunatic LK47 wrote...

GuardianAngel470 wrote...


Also, I want to elaborate on a previous point. If the single player is finished, what exactly do you expect bioware to put those resources towards? Do you want them to incorporate half written script that was tossed at the beginning of development? Do you expect them to code in another meaningless sidequest? Do you expect them to rewrite all the design decisions at the beginning of development because suddenly they have more time and money?

Everyone I've seen vehemently oppose coop has either aluded to this justification or outright stated it. "We want them to spend those resources on singleplayer!" without actually providing any examples as to what they want the devs to do with those resources. How do you want them to be spent? What aspect of singleplayer do you think needs work that these resources could be spent on?

In short, what's wrong that needs fixing?

Because if nothing is wrong and nothing needs fixing, why not make coop? 

Uh, I don't know. Making sure the DATA IMPORTS WORK ****ING PROPERLY?

Good frigging point.

[The Elder King]

TheShogunOfHarlem wrote...

For some reason I am still skeptical. Plus Why do I think that all vehicle segment will be strictly on rails.

They've already confirmed on Twitter that the vehicle segments will be more or less like ME2. No vehicle exploration in ME3.

[In Exile]

gamer_girl wrote...

In Exile wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...

"BioWare lied to us!"—So what. They're under no obligation to tell us the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth. They're a business, not our BFF. 

So you seriously think business should lie to their customers? 

Find the proof that they lied. Then your question will be valid.

I'm not saying Bioware lied. The post I quoted was going off the assumption they did lie. That's what makes it ridiculous. 

[Kingthlayer]

Meh multiplayer is worthless IMO for Mass Effect.

Either it's a co-op mission which is story related that single player gamers(you know the ones that play Mass Effect) won't bother playing, and players that enjoy online gaming won't care about because it doesn't involve PvP..

Or it's PvP, and if there is one thing I can be sure of, nobody is going to buy Mass Effect 3 for PvP.

So IMO this is just wasted resources since I don't think it will be a mode that will be played and enjoyed the way BioWare thinks it will be. Even if it's amazing, it just doesn't fit in well with a RPG game.

[Ahglock]

gamer_girl wrote...

In Exile wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...

"BioWare lied to us!"—So what. They're under no obligation to tell us the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth. They're a business, not our BFF. 

So you seriously think business should lie to their customers? 

Find the proof that they lied. Then your question will be valid.

They not to long ago expressly said there wasn'r multiplayer in ME3, so yeah they lied.  And no they shouldn't.  

[saMoorai]

I'm actually Kinda excited for it.

It will be interesting to see the war from a different perspective.

[Iakus]

cachx wrote...

iakus wrote...
No.
Because I think having roleplaying options is a good thing. 

And how is having gameplay style options a bad thing then? We have entered the realm of personal preference.

MP is not just a just a different gameplay style.  It's a different game.  One which I have zero desire to play and may in fact end up infringing on the game I do want to play.

I paid full price for both Red dead Redemption and Uncharted 2, both of them had multiplayer modes I knew I wasn't going to play. I don't regret those purchases, at all. I expect that ME3 will be the same.
(I did eventually tried out both multiplayer modes, for trophies sake, and you know what? I actually had a good time, imagine that !)

And here's hoping further details will calm my fears as well.  But I have no illusions that I will take a lot of convincing.  And the manner with which this whole MP thing was handled doesn't help at all. 

[Darkeus]

Lunatic LK47 wrote...

GuardianAngel470 wrote...


Also, I want to elaborate on a previous point. If the single player is finished, what exactly do you expect bioware to put those resources towards? Do you want them to incorporate half written script that was tossed at the beginning of development? Do you expect them to code in another meaningless sidequest? Do you expect them to rewrite all the design decisions at the beginning of development because suddenly they have more time and money?

Everyone I've seen vehemently oppose coop has either aluded to this justification or outright stated it. "We want them to spend those resources on singleplayer!" without actually providing any examples as to what they want the devs to do with those resources. How do you want them to be spent? What aspect of singleplayer do you think needs work that these resources could be spent on?

In short, what's wrong that needs fixing?

Because if nothing is wrong and nothing needs fixing, why not make coop? 

Uh, I don't know. Making sure the DATA IMPORTS WORK ****ING PROPERLY?

Lol, double post,

Modifié par Darkeus, 10 octobre 2011 - 11:02 .

[JonnyOwen]

You get more content. OH NO, WE GET MORE FOR OUR MONEY WHAT WILL WE EVER DO.

[TheShogunOfHarlem]

IronSabbath88 wrote...

cachx wrote...

CDRSkyShepard wrote...
There's a bit of a problem with your logic.

Not really, feature not used = feature he doesn't want to pay for. It's pretty simple.

iakus wrote...
No.
Because I think having roleplaying options is a good thing. 

And how is having gameplay style options a bad thing then? We have entered the realm of personal preference.

I paid full price for both Red dead Redemption and Uncharted 2, both of them had multiplayer modes I knew I wasn't going to play. I don't regret those purchases, at all. I expect that ME3 will be the same.
(I did eventually tried out both multiplayer modes, for trophies sake, and you know what? I actually had a good time, imagine that !)

And Red Dead is an absolutely huge game even with the multiplayer.

Red dead was great, it fixed many of the issues that GTA 4 had save for one important flaw: Having the dumbest AI in gaming. Then it threw in the run 'n gun friendly mechanic of regenerating health. Rockstar is one of the few Developers out there that I can reliably buy a game from and never be disappointed. However, GTA and RDR both were a walk in the park when it comes to enemy AI.

[Dragoonlordz]

Siansonea II wrote...

"BioWare lied to us!"—So what. They're under no obligation to tell us the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth. They're a business, not our BFF.

"That's resources that could have been spent on thus-and-such!"—Too bad. You're not the project manager. You don't get to make those calls.

"It's going to ruin my single player game!"—So don't buy the game, if you feel that strongly about it. Vote with your wallet. But Internet tantrums are rarely effective at accomplishing anything. Does anyone think that posting repeatedly about what jerks BioWare is for adding optional content is going to make them suddenly reconsider, scrap multiplayer, and then put all those people onto developing new Tali and Garrus stories? We don't have that much power, folks.

So what your saying is.

1. PR means more than the fans who are nothing more than walking $ signs now.
2. Not interested in fan feedback when most of the ones on BSN asked not to have such a feature and they put it in.
3. People said they did just that and got attacked when mentioned cancelling pre-orders.

The best game developers to me are the ones who put fans first and marketting plus profits second. Taking the biggest risks in making the best single player game that they can make rather than putting more dollars into their bank account at the price of lost trust and giving fans what it is they wanted and asked for or not for in this case. The main thing learn from this is marketting comes before fans with Bioware now hence the misleading and diversionary tactics they used over past few months as each rumour popped up and fans got railroaded away from the truth for the purpose of PR and marketting such at a later stage.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 10 octobre 2011 - 11:06 .

[Sylvianus]

Siansonea II wrote...

"BioWare lied to us!"—So what. They're under no obligation to tell us the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth. They're a business, not our BFF.

So what ? After, people feel angry and it's more difficult for them when they say something to believe it. It's important for a company and it's important for the consumer. That's totally ridiculous what you are saying morever.  "They have the right to lie us. " No, it's false and that's totally wrong.

Modifié par Sylvianus, 10 octobre 2011 - 11:04 .

[ManBearPig91]

Not too surprised to see this given EA's new stated policy to include multiplayer in all their titles. While I'm not a multiplayer (or EA) hater, I do kinda feel like adding multiplayer to Mass Effect is like adding single player mode to World of Warcraft. You're losing the element that makes the title great really.

[gammameggon]

slimgrin wrote...

Dave of Canada wrote...

I have to admit, I didn't care much for the idea of multiplayer but the entertainment it's naysayers give me makes it all worth it.

Does that make me a bad person?

It just makes you a bonafide member of the Bioware Defense Force. But that's a surprise to no one.

Right on, Slimgrin. BioWare Defense Force...it fits those folks perfectly.

Hey, at least we have Skyrim coming. I know we are both pumped. I'm thinking of upgrading to Skyrim Collectors Edition with the free money I have available now.

[Vaeliorin]

In Exile wrote...

Vaeliorin wrote...
The important question is...can I play the co-op missions solo with AI teammates? If so, I'm not overly fussed. If I have to play with other people to access that content, though, I'm not going to be happy.

It's 4 person Co-Op separate from the main game, so I would bet not.

Sure, and I get that.  But if there's any story content involved, I'd like to be able to play it, but I won't play with other people.  So, I'd like to be able to play it without having to actually involve other people, which is a feature other games have.  For instance, I've played Team Fortress 2, but I've never actually played it online.

I guess this probably isn't the thread for it, but I was hoping to get the devs to realize that some of us might like to play through the content (since we're paying for it) without having to play it with other people.  I actually thought about starting a separate thread about it, but I figured it would be locked.

[RPGmom28]

As long as I can completely ignore it and play only an offline solo campaign, I don't care.

[felipejiraya]

Damn you guys, BioWare is from Eletronic Arts...resources are not a problem.

[LadyofRivendell]

I don't have nearly enough patience to read through 80 pages of this, can someone tell me if co-op is separated from story mode? Or is it campaign co-op? Thanks!

Edit: Nevermind, post above mine says it already (wasn't there when I typed this). Dang, thread's moving too fast to keep up!

Modifié par LadyofRivendell, 10 octobre 2011 - 11:05 .

[Romanovski]

Dunno what to say, i am disgustingly disappointed, now I will definately not buy it in presale, will not buy it at all until I read that campaign is 50 hrs long.

[ObserverStatus]

saMOOrai182 wrote...

I'm actually Kinda excited for it.

It will be interesting to see the war from a different perspective.

me too! yay!

Modifié par bobobo878, 10 octobre 2011 - 11:06 .

[I_pity_the_fool]

I haven't bothered to read any of this thread, but I assume most members are overjoyed about this tremendous news regarding ME3 multiplayer.

I imagine there are a few malcontents who hate the fact that developer time has been "diverted" towards adding another great new feature to the me experience, but they should concentrate their ire where it properly belongs - on the homosexuals, whose desire for same sex romance has soaked up far too much of bioware's precious development time!