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[mousestalker]

Do you have a theory of what her story is, or would you rather never know?

[mousestalker]

I know one poster, who's name I have completely forgotten (please forgive) posited that Flemeth was really Fen'Harel. Which given his character and hers actually makes some sense.

[whykikyouwhy]

I may be suffering some identity crisis here, since I am Flemeth, and Flemeth is me...

....I'm not really sure how to realign my understanding of the world.

However, if I had to entertain other theories, I would say that Flemeth (if she is anything that we have thus far heard the name of) may be an avatar or aspect of Mythal. Seems suspicious that Hawke had to bring a witch-stashed-in-an-amulet to Mythal's altar on Sundermount. Was it just convenience? It boasted a nice view? It was close enough to Kirkwall proper so that a traveling Chasind legend could fly down and get a quick bite to eat and some suspect whiskey?

[thats1evildude]

My theory is that Flemeth is a piece of the shadow from Eleni Zinovia's prophecy, a fragment cast adrift from the whole whose ultimate purpose is to free the greater part of itself.

As to what that shadow may be … well, I have a few different theories.

Modifié par thats1evildude, 10 octobre 2011 - 10:37 .

[Knight of Dane]

Flemeth is Schmooples

[Carmen_Willow]

Flemeth is Deus ex machina!

[tat2teel]

Carmen_Willow wrote...

Flemeth is Deus ex machina!

Agreed!

[DreamerM]

Flemeth is an Old God. Or some variant of such. Anyway, she basically exists to use her Vast and Unknowable Powerz to Move the Plot Forward! oh WOW

[whykikyouwhy]

DreamerM wrote...

Flemeth is an Old God. Or some variant of such. Anyway, she basically exists to use her Vast and Unknowable Powerz to Move the Plot Forward! oh WOW

She is known to be quite the crafty chess player.

[Dominus]

It's a very strange analogy, but Flemeth's mysterious identity will likely be something akin to G-man. Although it's easy to say "He/She is evil!", her story is likely trying to make the survival of either ferelden or some other 3rd party possible through manipulating world events. Whether those motives are malevolent or not have yet to be seen. Despite the cackling, my belief is leaning on the latter.

[bleetman]

whykikyouwhy wrote...

She is known to be quite the crafty chess player.

"Let her have it. It's not wise to upset a Witch of the Wilds"
"But Ser, nobody worries about upsetting an elf"
"That's because elves don't string people up in the trees in little pieces when they lose. Witches are known to do that"
"I see, Ser. I suggest a new strategy: let the Witch win"

Modifié par bleetman, 12 octobre 2011 - 10:25 .

[LadyBri]

I like the Fen'Harel theory, but after DA2 my mind is just nagging me about Mythal. The elves seem so in awe of Flemeth (DA:O, DA2, and "The Stolen Throne"), which leads me to think there is a very good reason for this. Elves do not seem to easily like, especially fear/revere, outsiders.

Also, the altar she is "reborn" on is also an altar to Mythal. I just think it's quite the coincidence that we hear about Mythal at the altar and quite a bit of the story sounds like how Flemeth has been described by elves, especially Merrill. Sure, Mythal is a mother-figure and she saved the world from her vengeful husband, but she is also not one to cross nor make an enemy of. If Mythal is on your side then you are blessed...and who just happens to be fearsome and pops in at seemingly random moments to save Heroes of Thedas and set them on a certain necessary path? Merrill especially seems to talk about Mythal and Flemeth/Asha'bellanar in similar ways, and I definitely think Merrill knows something and isn't sharing.

But either way, whether we find out her mystery or not, Flemeth is awesome!

[Ehlesgens!]

Im' sure there's a link between Flemeth and Sandal's prophecy about the sky opening wide and all magic coming back

[Jedi Master of Orion]

Personally I suspect she's a one of a kind individual. She may be related to The Old Gods or The Creators but I doubt she is one of them.

[Fylimar]

Flemeth is one of the most interesting characters so far - I hope, whatever she is, the mystery about her remained. And no, I don't want her as a boss fight or something similar stupid. She should stay out of reach of our characters ... I like the thought, that she will still be there when Hawke or the warden have passed away.

[LovelyLittleLeprechauns]

paprika67 wrote...

Im' sure there's a link between Flemeth and Sandal's prophecy about the sky opening wide and all magic coming back

Sandal makes a prophecy???

I think it is entirely likely that there is a link between The Maker, the Elven Gods, the Old Gods, the black city and Flemeth. What connection? I don't know but I do hope that they reveal it.

I haven't done much digging or research but I wonder if the Old Gods are the Elven Gods. If that is true then it would make sense that Flemeth is one of them, she is a dragon after all (or at least turns into one, which is unheard of). Going with the same idea, I wonder if that means The Maker is Fen'harel? I could see how it would tie together, but who knows?

[thats1evildude]

I never cared for the theory that Flemeth was one of the Dalish gods because it never seemed to me that the Dalish have any reverence for Flemeth. Oh sure, they fear her, because they know she's incredibly powerful and practically impossible to kill. But they don't worship her. There's a lot of people who like the idea of Flemeth being Fen'Harel, but the imagery doesn't mesh for me — Fen'Harel is a wolf, not a dragon.

One idea that's been gaining credence in the back of my mind is that Flemeth is not one of the Dalish gods, but rather one of the Avvar gods. Specifically, the Lady of the Skies, the death goddess of the Avvar people. That "Cult of the Sky" got me to thinking about how the Lady of the Skies is connected to portents and visions of the future, as well as flying beasts … it's an idea I haven't quite been able to shake, though I'm not convinced it's true.

Modifié par thats1evildude, 21 octobre 2011 - 05:41 .

[whykikyouwhy]

thats1evildude wrote...

One idea that's been gaining credence in the back of my mind is that Flemeth is not one of the Dalish gods, but rather one of the Avvar gods. Specifically, the Lady of the Skies, the death goddess of the Avvar people. That "Cult of the Sky" got me to thinking about how the Lady of the Skies is connected to portents and visions of the future, as well as flying beasts … it's an idea I haven't quite been able to shake, though I'm not convinced it's true.

I wonder if we'll eventually return to the Frostback Mtns and learn more about the Avvars (other than the hints here and there - oddly enough, around Amaranthine).

Here we may be dabbling with mythological parallels though - for Korth and the Lady of the Skies could easily be Elgar'nan and Mythal of the Elven pantheon (not that different cultures having a common Mother-Father deity pairing would be unusual). I like the theory though...it intrigues me.

Modifié par whykikyouwhy, 21 octobre 2011 - 09:38 .

[kght22]

whykikyouwhy wrote...

I wonder if we'll eventually return to the Frostback Mtns and learn more about the Avvars (other than the hints here and there - oddly enough, around Amaranthine).

Here we may be dabbling with mythological parallels though - for Korth and the Lady of the Skies could easily be Elgar'nan and Mythal of the Elven pantheon (not that different cultures having a common Mother-Father deity pairing would be unusual). I like the theory though...it intrigues me.

my mom pays more attention to upcoming dragon age news than i do (strange because i am 27 and she is 65, but she loves the game and story, including the gaider books. crazy oddity of the demographic i guess) but she keeps saying that something up coming in the thedas universe is going to be in orlais, and that also borders the frostbacks, so maybe?
btw love your avatar image whykik, hilarious.

[whykikyouwhy]

kght22 wrote...

my mom pays more attention to upcoming dragon age news than i do (strange because i am 27 and she is 65, but she loves the game and story, including the gaider books. crazy oddity of the demographic i guess) but she keeps saying that something up coming in the thedas universe is going to be in orlais, and that also borders the frostbacks, so maybe?
btw love your avatar image whykik, hilarious.

The speculation is that DA3 will either be in Orlais, or have several location spots in that fair region. Clearly the Orlesians have a great part to play in upcoming events, if you look at the latest DLC and at the invitation that Sandal has received to visit Celene's court (strange tidings, that...what exactly does the Empress want with the young savant, hmm??)

Much praise and admiration to your mother, kght22, for her gaming and geek ways - that's just all sorts of awesome. And humble thanks for your compliment.

[Gervaise]

It never occurred to me to connect Flemeth with the Lady of the Skies before, but it does actually make a lot of sense. The story of how the barbarians who worshiped her were saved from Tevinter enslavement. Then remembering how Morrigan suggested that Flemeth swooped down like a great bird to rescue the Warden and Alistair. Who is to say she always transforms into a dragon? As Fenris put it, she isn't like any abomination, spirit or demon he had ever encountered - I wouldn't want to have to kill her but it would be nice if just a little more insight could be provided as we go forward. May be there will be something in the upcoming book.

[Heidenreich]

the MAKER is Fen-Harel. Flemeth is Flemeth. She's part forest spirit (as per the story Morrigan tells us) much like the Lady of the Forest, part Abomination (accepting the help of a pride demon later on) and possibly part old god. If she isn't yet (due to Morrigan's betrayal) then the original plan was to become one via the OGB.

The original spirit could have been an Elvhen God, or the Demon could have been, as there are both kinds in the lore.

But, she is not the Maker, and she is not Fen-Harel. Fen-Harel is like.. the god of all internet trolls, literally. Flemeth isn't like that from what we've been shown of her. She does things for a reason, almost always personal-gain-like in nature. Fen-Harel does things for the Lulz.

Work for both sets of gods? Lulz.
Lock both sets up? Lulz
Take over everything for himself? Lulz

[Tryynity]

Flemeth watched

"Something about Mary" and really liked Cameron Diaz's hairstyle methinks...

Stupid comments aside - I am intrigued by this character

... Flemeth that is

Modifié par Tryynity, 15 novembre 2011 - 08:36 .

[ReiSilver]

Heidenreich wrote...

the MAKER is Fen-Harel. Flemeth is Flemeth. She's part forest spirit (as per the story Morrigan tells us) much like the Lady of the Forest, part Abomination (accepting the help of a pride demon later on) and possibly part old god. If she isn't yet (due to Morrigan's betrayal) then the original plan was to become one via the OGB.

The original spirit could have been an Elvhen God, or the Demon could have been, as there are both kinds in the lore.

But, she is not the Maker, and she is not Fen-Harel. Fen-Harel is like.. the god of all internet trolls, literally. Flemeth isn't like that from what we've been shown of her. She does things for a reason, almost always personal-gain-like in nature. Fen-Harel does things for the Lulz.

Work for both sets of gods? Lulz.
Lock both sets up? Lulz
Take over everything for himself? Lulz

wait how is getting rid of all competition leaving yourself the only surpeme being not personal gain?

Personally I'm not quite sure, I like both the theories that she is Fen'Harel and the theory that she's one of the old gods who is not tainted.
we may never know~

[maxernst]

LadyBri wrote...

I like the Fen'Harel theory, but after DA2 my mind is just nagging me about Mythal. The elves seem so in awe of Flemeth (DA:O, DA2, and "The Stolen Throne"), which leads me to think there is a very good reason for this. Elves do not seem to easily like, especially fear/revere, outsiders.

Also, the altar she is "reborn" on is also an altar to Mythal. I just think it's quite the coincidence that we hear about Mythal at the altar and quite a bit of the story sounds like how Flemeth has been described by elves, especially Merrill. Sure, Mythal is a mother-figure and she saved the world from her vengeful husband, but she is also not one to cross nor make an enemy of. If Mythal is on your side then you are blessed...and who just happens to be fearsome and pops in at seemingly random moments to save Heroes of Thedas and set them on a certain necessary path? Merrill especially seems to talk about Mythal and Flemeth/Asha'bellanar in similar ways, and I definitely think Merrill knows something and isn't sharing.

But either way, whether we find out her mystery or not, Flemeth is awesome!

If it weren't for the fact that he's male, I'd actually lean toward Elgar'nan as her identity.  Remember her line to Maric in the Stolen Throne:  "Sometimes vengeance changes the world."  Also, "Considering what the world has done to me, I have already done more than it deserves", suggests that she might be out for vengeance of some kind.

I do think there's a connection to the elves, both because of her interaction with the Dalish in DA2 and because Morrigan is able to use the Eluvian.