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[Novate]

The Interloper wrote...

Darkeus wrote...

The Interloper wrote...

Darkeus wrote...

gamer_girl wrote...

Lard wrote...

fl0wers wrote...

Lard wrote...

fl0wers wrote...

It's weird to me that anyone can complain about something completely optional that is being developed by a separate team so it won't take away from the main single player experience.

If you don't like the idea of co-op in ME3, don't play it. It's optional.

Why do people continue to repeat this outright lie?

Outright lie? Explain.

Jesus.....

Bioware themselves confirmed that it directly affects the SP game.

"Success in multi-player will have a direct impact
on the outcome of the single player campaign, giving players an
alternative method of achieving ultimate victory against the greatest
threat mankind – and the entire galaxy – has ever faced."

As
a bonus to the campaign, BioWare is introducing the Mass Effect 3:
Galaxy at War system, a new way for players to manage and experience the
galactic war from multiple fronts, including a new 4-player co-op mode.
The key to saving the galaxy is the “Galactic Readiness” level,
measured by Commander Shepard’s ability to apply
"It is important to note that the system is
entirely optional and just another way players can have control over
your game experience – it is still possible to achieve the optimal,
complete ending of the game in Mass Effect 3 through single-player
alone."

Does the addition of co-op multiplayer missions impact the scope or quality of the single-player experience?
No.
A dedicated team from our recently formed BioWare Montreal studio has
been focused on creating the multiplayer game features while the main
game continued to be developed by the team in BioWare Edmonton. Both
teams are integrated under the same leadership group that produced Mass
Effect 1 and 2, led by Casey Hudson. BioWare remains dedicated to
delivering one of the most amazing single-player campaigns gamers have
ever experienced.
[/list] How did developing multiplayer impact the single player game?
BioWare
is dedicated and focused on delivering an engaging, fun, and
action-packed experience for Mass Effect 3, one that lives up the
BioWare standard. To reach that level of quality, last year BioWare
opened a studio in Montreal that is home to designers, programmers,
engineers, and other developers. Both studios work together as
partners, lead by the core Mass Effect team, unified in a single vision.
Under the direction of Casey Hudson and other team veterans, both
studios make contributions to both the single player and multiplayer
modes in Mass Effect 3. Rest assured that no compromises were made to
either of these modes in the development of Mass Effect 3.[/list]What if I don’t like multiplayer – will my experience be negatively impacted?

MassEffect 3 is a complete, standalone game that will deliver a satisfying
story experience, even if you choose not to try multiplayer. The Mass
Effect 3: Galaxy at War system and all of the individual components are
meant to complement that amazing game and can be enjoyed on their own or
as part of the Galaxy at War experience.
[/list]

PR.

Anything else?

Handwave dismissal of concrete statements. Anything else?

I for one think the fact that they added disclaimers about the nature of co-op during the usual harp-fest says alot about BW's values. They are aware of the questions this would raise.

Edit:

This is the blind faith I was talking about.  BioWare can screw up and I think they did here.  They would say anything to calm the crap strom that was building.

And if they were sincere, they'd say the same thing. PR would be in affect either way.

You do realize that is just PR right.
Because once the game goes live, and people are angry on the lacking of Single Player experiences, immediately there will be Fans defending that its because you didn't experience the MP. And the reasoning behind that argument is because MP was build into the SP, so even thought you might feel that the SP is lacking, its a complete experience with the MP. So MP is no longer an OPTION, its part of the game.

There are just too many posts of people saying they will wait and see, and that is just like Dejavu, when the first rumor of Multiplayer mode was introduced. Immediately there was tons of fans defending Bioware on that they will never ruin the final Chapter in their Epic Trilogy. And that just wait and you will see that the secret they were building on was for the Single Player Experiences and not some Co-op.

I have seen tons and tons of posts before the announcement that people was calling those that post negative comments on getting Multiplayer Mode in ME3 stupid, and should just wait and see. Now we have waited , and we have seen what they are doing. Are you still gonna wait and see?? Wait till ME3 gets a bad review , wait till its too late to make any final adjustments?? Be vocal , let Bioware know what fans are thinking, don't be silent and wait for your game to fall.

PS: i do think Co-op would be fun, I just wished they would have waited till ME3 was released and then Release a Mass Effect 4 CO-OP: aftermath of the Wa, now that would have been Epic in Scale

[JD196]

BeefoTheBold wrote...

JD196 wrote...

BeefoTheBold wrote...

Zanallen wrote...

BeefoTheBold wrote...

By that logic why not throw in a "NCAA Football" mode that is completely optional as well?

I wouldn't mind that at all as long as it made sense within the context of the game. You know, how playing as various soldiers fighting the Reapers in battles that Shep doesn't have the time to take part in because he is off saving the universe makes sense within the context of the game.

To me, though, it doesn't make sense within the narrative of the game. This is Shepard's story. It was always intended to be Shepard's story. Going out on a tangent like that lacks focus.

This isn't Call of Shepard here, mass effect is a large universe. Shepard may be the main character here but woud you cut Joker out of ME2 because you could play as him for a while? 

Shepard is the main character but he won't be for every thing in the mass effect universe. Why should we be limited to his side of the story? 

Poor analogy. Joker is a part of Shepard's crew. He's directly tied to Shepard. He's a part of Shepard's story.

Cutting to an entirely different group of soldiers in the third game would be like "Saving Private Ryan" deciding to spend a half hour in the latter third of the movie seeing how the soldiers that are Saving Private Frank are doing instead.

Everyone knew that Saving Private Ryan was a story about THAT group of soldiers as a subset of the larger conflict but it was THERE story. Choosing to suddenly drop that and go look at a different group of soldiers would have harmed the story.

Same concept at play here. Nothing wrong with doing a 4th game that focuses on some other part of the Mass Effect universe just like there would be nothing wrong with the "Saving Private Frank" movie. Choosing the last game of a trilogy to do it detracts from the narrative of Shepard and lacks focus.

Starting another story would be rediculous I agree. This isn't another story, this is a added side story that is there for FUN. I realise the concept may be alien to you but there you go. And before you start whining about how It's just a money making scheme just shut up and realise that this whole argument is BS. We don't know their motives so sit there and sulk if you like, It won't change my opinion and I can't be bothered trying to change yours.

So stop trying to play the martyr people, it just makes you look like a silly ass.
  

[TheGreenAlloy]

The Interloper wrote...

Darkeus wrote...
Typical blind faith.  Too enamoured with the co-op to see what harm it could do.

It goes both ways.

I can't speak for GA, but I don't give a crap about co-op. I care about SP, and there have been concrete signs that-

1. You don't lose anything from SP for not playing Co-op
2. Dev resources orginally dedicated to SP are not being diverted, with the other studio and all.

The rest is speculation, and from what we've heard so far I see no reason to be overly worried.

Althought I do c\\give a crap about co-op seeing as I have a team of 4 ready to play ME together, I agree with you. I was very sceptical at first, but as long as SP won't be compromised (as the OP claims), I'll be happy.

[Zanallen]

BeefoTheBold wrote...

A DVD extra that would make no sense whatsoever to include.  DVD extras are usually extra scenes about the characters that the actual movie is about.

Not really. I have seen a number of DVDs with extras that deal with areas of lore outside of the main story. And that is what this is. Bits of lore and story dealing with battles that were fought while Shep was running around the galaxy.

[JEMEDAOME2]

Darkeus wrote...

fl0wers wrote...

Lard wrote...

fl0wers wrote...

Lard wrote...

fl0wers wrote...

It's weird to me that anyone can complain about something completely optional that is being developed by a separate team so it won't take away from the main single player experience.

If you don't like the idea of co-op in ME3, don't play it. It's optional.

Why do people continue to repeat this outright lie?

Outright lie? Explain.

Jesus.....

Bioware themselves confirmed that it directly affects the SP game.

Bioware themselves also confirmed that NOT playing it will not have any negative effect on the SP game. Hence it being completely optional.

BioWare says a lot of things, see Dragon Age 2....

Why do I get the feeling some posters are simply being wind up merchents?
C'mon guys how many times are you going be told MP is optional before the rational part  of  your brains starts working

Unless any of you in the  negativity camp have the ability to peer into the minds of the  dev teams or have hard proof that BW is lying to us (which I doubt you have either) It would be nice if you could stop trying to drag  us into your petty mindset.  
And to prove i'm unaffected by your indoctranation  attemps here is a smiley :happy:

[whywhywhywhy]

PMC65 wrote...

Novate wrote...

I think what everyone is forgetting is that EVERYTHING that was spend to create this CO-OP, getting a second team and getting it ready for march of 2012 is exactly what they could have used to create a more compelling Single Player Experience.  You could have gotten more planets, more missions, every mission that was in Co-op could have been in the single player experience.

You could have gotten more interaction scenes with Tali, Garus , Wrex. ...etc

You could have gotten more maps for missions

You could have more weapons

You could have more armors

You could have a longer Tali adventure, or any adventure about your companions.

You could have gotten more of everything, those that was meant for DLC could have gotten included in the initial shippment , and those extras could have become DLC.

Anyone that says otherwise is just fooling themselves. In every game that we have played , something is always taken out to add another feature.

I am not against a Co-op , it sounds cool and everything but I didn't play Mass Effect 1 and 2 and waiting for 3 to play a CO-OP , I play those games so that I can continue Shepard's Story and more of his story. Mass Effect 1 and 2 both feel alittle short to me. Thats why I didn't want Co-op, I wanted a long , epic journey for Mass Effect 3.  I know that this Co-op will work, it will be a success, but what will not be a success is all the WHAT IF'S  

I would think that the additional $$$ were only given with the CoOp in mine ... When a budget is created you get additional funding for different things. Based on my own personal business experience in creating a budget, those $$$ would not have even been available to the main story at all but only approved for that feature. 

Each area (main story, CoOp, Kinect) would have received funding that otherwise would not have been there is more likely the case. No CoOp ... no additional monies. So it is an added bonus that didn't take away from the SP.

Now what the addition of CoOp probably did do to the main story was allow more time for the team to tweak the game. That is a good thing.

We really don't know how it all pans out but if they hid it/misled fans about MP for so long then they must have had an idea of fan reaction to the news.  Given that I would have like to think BW would have made the push for more funds to develop the single player campaign.  Given that the game is reported to be a around the same length as ME2 we can propose that this didn't happen.

Money towards a great single player experience makes sense and gives BW a basis for launching a spinoff that would include multiplayer.  Instead they rush to include the multiplayer and to be honest it comes across to me as content replacement.  I'm convinced that the game won't meet expectation.  I've consistently nailed down the fact that ME3 was changing and was met with misguided resistance along the way.  As you see they were all wrong and I am always right:lol:

Anyway focusing on multiplayer here screws up the trilogy no matter what you think.  Seperate studio or not the resources could have been shifted to the core game and multiplayer pushed back to DLC or a stand alone game.  No matter what your position is on the news I think all can agree a epic single player game and then the release of a spinoff that included fully fleshed out Multiplayer would do better.  Rather then blindsighting core fans who play the game with content that all of them may not have wanted. 

I don't feel I can trust Bioware now.  And as such I don't even think I'm ever going to look at a EA/bioware game again.  I didn't think I'd be purchasing Witcher2 or skyrim but time as well as fortunes change.

[Darkeus]

gamer_girl wrote...

Darkeus wrote...

gamer_girl wrote...

I don't think BW could win with you if they gave you exactly what you wanted. I don't think the problem is BW. The problem is you.

No, they have won with me with every game I have bought from the.  From Baldur's Gate to now.  I have been here for a long time.  Please, you know nothing about me.

And what I have seen is a degrading of quality since EA got involved.  I am a fan who does not like what he sees with his favorite game company and thinks multiplayer is just a cash-in idea that looks to detriment a superior Single Player RPG. 

Smh, you though.....

So why not go to the I-don't-know side rather than the this-is-practically-guaranteed-to-ruin-this-entire-game side? To make such a huge assumption only makes you look foolish. Nobody knows how the MP will be and only a few have had the chance to play the demo at a game convention. From what I've read, the general concensus from people who have played the demo is that it has fantastic gameplay. So to me it just sounds like you're throwing a bit of a tantrum just because you weren't satisfied with DA2 and you're taking it out on the multiplayer even though an entirely separate team worked on it.

It is the pattern of decreasing quality.  EA seeps more and more into the decision making and it is causing harm to the games.  This does not look good.  I do not trust what the Devs say yet and I think this is a mistake that may detract from the game.  It already takes away from the Single Player by exsisting and providing an alternate way.  The game does not need an alternate way to achieve a SINGLE PLAYER GOAL>  Mass Effect is a single player experience that happens to be personal for every person who plays it.

Co-op takes away from that.  And it seems tacked on and it is sure to cause bugs and just is better as something separate.  I think the devs are spinning the effect it will have on Single Player, I really do.

So I am on the side of pessimistically cautious.  BioWare is questionable right now and I don't trust this to work right or not affect my Single Player game. If they pull it off, bravo!  Maybe I will even check it out once or twice since I don't really care about co-op anyway.  But I don't think so.  I have a BAD feeling about this....

[Zakatak757]

I can play as Conrad Verner in co-op. Does that make it awesome?

HELL YEAH!

[BeefoTheBold]

JD196 wrote...

Starting another story would be rediculous I agree. This isn't another story, this is a added side story that is there for FUN. I realise the concept may be alien to you but there you go. And before you start whining about how It's just a money making scheme just shut up and realise that this whole argument is BS. We don't know their motives so sit there and sulk if you like, It won't change my opinion and I can't be bothered trying to change yours.

So stop trying to play the martyr people, it just makes you look like a silly ass.
  

No, taking a civil discussion and switching over to telling people to "stop whining" and "shut up" and "sit there and sulk if you like" and other personal attacks is what makes you look like a silly ass.

[whywhywhywhy]

Lard wrote...

BatmanPWNS wrote...

I am pretty sure you don't even know 1% of the fans opinion about MP and reduce it? It didn't stop Assassin's Creed from selling, it didn't stop Portal, it sure as hell didn't stop Uncharted 2. Yes they may have DLC maps released but ME has useless stuff like appearence pack and DLC weapons released just to get money as well.

Lots of people bought the Spice Girls, lots of people buy Justin Bieber too.

There are plenty of examples of people buying crap.

ROFL:O

[shep82]

boltonsquanderer wrote...

Spartanburger wrote...

stysiaq wrote...
Also:
If BioWare spent $50 000 000 more on the SP, it would improve it.
However, some argue, that the SP would be about twice as improved with additional $100M.

Seriously, am I the only one who has any kind of remote clue as to how the productivity of staff works?

Once again, I will say it:
TEAM PRODUCTIVITY IS NOT A CAUSATION OF THE AMOUNT OF CASH THE TEAM HAS

If the teams productivity is already at a max, or near max level, throwing more money at it will not increase the productivity of the team. It doesn't matter if I was being paid $10 and hour or $1,000. If I am already working as hard as I can, no amount of money will change how hard I can work.
In creasing staff could work, but that's really something that has to be done before production has started AND takes a while for the new team members levels of productivity to reach their highs.

You want to increase the quality of the SP? Have more people working on it for longer amounts of time. As long as the staff is happy and productive, then they will do good job and no amount of money stupidly thrown at them will do any good. Yes, having more time would cost more, but throwing the money spent on MP at the SP team will not do any real good to improve the SP.

If they did not do multiplayer in the first place, the money spent on MP would still not have gone to the SP team as it is likely that a portion came from EA for the MP component and the SP team already has their budget layed out for them.

The ONLY way that SP could be improved is if, before major production began, BioWare expanded their crew (which they did) and their workspace (which they probably did) and their funding (being one of, if not the, best EA developer have earned them far more funding from them. Having maultiple blockbuster games also helps) and getting other teams to help (DICE is helping out with audio).

I'm afraid that grasping the idea of twin development teams and resource streams appears to be beyond some of the posters here. I expect the SP game to be as consistent in quality and enjoyment as ME1 and ME2. Hopefully the MP section of the game will be contained on a separate disc (Xbox) so that I can consign it to the bin. I've tried many MP games, essentially FPS, and never enjoyed playing them. The development of story and character has always been of paramount importance for me. Being a Fiddling with Penis Specialist is something I'll leave to CoD fans.

Agreed.

[JEMEDAOME2]

shep82 wrote...

boltonsquanderer wrote...

Spartanburger wrote...

stysiaq wrote...
Also:
If BioWare spent $50 000 000 more on the SP, it would improve it.
However, some argue, that the SP would be about twice as improved with additional $100M.

Seriously, am I the only one who has any kind of remote clue as to how the productivity of staff works?

Once again, I will say it:
TEAM PRODUCTIVITY IS NOT A CAUSATION OF THE AMOUNT OF CASH THE TEAM HAS

If the teams productivity is already at a max, or near max level, throwing more money at it will not increase the productivity of the team. It doesn't matter if I was being paid $10 and hour or $1,000. If I am already working as hard as I can, no amount of money will change how hard I can work.
In creasing staff could work, but that's really something that has to be done before production has started AND takes a while for the new team members levels of productivity to reach their highs.

You want to increase the quality of the SP? Have more people working on it for longer amounts of time. As long as the staff is happy and productive, then they will do good job and no amount of money stupidly thrown at them will do any good. Yes, having more time would cost more, but throwing the money spent on MP at the SP team will not do any real good to improve the SP.

If they did not do multiplayer in the first place, the money spent on MP would still not have gone to the SP team as it is likely that a portion came from EA for the MP component and the SP team already has their budget layed out for them.

The ONLY way that SP could be improved is if, before major production began, BioWare expanded their crew (which they did) and their workspace (which they probably did) and their funding (being one of, if not the, best EA developer have earned them far more funding from them. Having maultiple blockbuster games also helps) and getting other teams to help (DICE is helping out with audio).

I'm afraid that grasping the idea of twin development teams and resource streams appears to be beyond some of the posters here. I expect the SP game to be as consistent in quality and enjoyment as ME1 and ME2. Hopefully the MP section of the game will be contained on a separate disc (Xbox) so that I can consign it to the bin. I've tried many MP games, essentially FPS, and never enjoyed playing them. The development of story and character has always been of paramount importance for me. Being a Fiddling with Penis Specialist is something I'll leave to CoD fans.

Agreed.

What he/she said

[BeefoTheBold]

Zanallen wrote...

BeefoTheBold wrote...

A DVD extra that would make no sense whatsoever to include.  DVD extras are usually extra scenes about the characters that the actual movie is about.

Not really. I have seen a number of DVDs with extras that deal with areas of lore outside of the main story. And that is what this is. Bits of lore and story dealing with battles that were fought while Shep was running around the galaxy.

Guess we're going to have to agree to disagree on this.

Modifié par BeefoTheBold, 11 octobre 2011 - 11:34 .

[Pockles]

If the 114 pages of this thread are not at least 60% hyperbolized complaint, I will eat my shoes.

I'm intrigued by the concept. However if Bioware doesn't allow me the opportunity to make the volus a feared race in the eyes of the ME3 fanbase, I'll be dissappointed. There will be finger wagging.

[Terror_K]

whywhywhywhy wrote...

BeefoTheBold wrote...

shep82 wrote...

No but I trust in Bioware they have yet to do anything to loose that trust.

1. Dragon Age 2
2. Witch Hunt
3. The Arrival
4. Awakenings (Good game...just half-finished and didn't allow your choices from DAO to have much of an impact unless you were a human noble.)
5. Kinect
6. MMO Kotor instead of KOTOR3
7. Strongly implying for months that no MP in ME3 only to reverse course at close to the last minute

I could go on. People who complain about Bioware recently may not necessarily DISLIKE Bioware, but they may dislike the (rapidly accelerating) direction of their business strategy in a direction that is away from their tastes and preferences.

I love Bioware. I own all of their games and most of the DLC. I've been one of the fans that has been there with them from the beginning. They lost my preorder with this decision.

yeah, was a interesting ride. 

Yeah. While it's not quite enough for me to cancel the pre-order (damn close though... damn close...) I get the strong feeling that ME3 is going to be my last BioWare game unless they turn themselves around, which I doubt given recent comments from the Doctors. Even if their games still retain the story-driven and cinematic aspects I like, I'm quite frankly sick of their pandering and the feeling like I'm being stabbed in the back and left for dead while they tend to the mainstream casual gamer of today. I'm sick of seeing IPs I like being twisted into generic action titles and rebooted for their new target demographic, and sick of rolling my eyes and getting angry with almost every major decision they make these days (almost everything do to with DA2, Kinect, Origin, and now this!)

[CaptainRegor]

 This is amazing! sounds alot of fun! makes me want the game even more and i didn't tink that was possibole that I already was on 100% wanting the game but as Darth Malak did with the Star Forge im apperently above 100% (how's that even possibole?)

[JD196]

BeefoTheBold wrote...

JD196 wrote...

Starting another story would be rediculous I agree. This isn't another story, this is a added side story that is there for FUN. I realise the concept may be alien to you but there you go. And before you start whining about how It's just a money making scheme just shut up and realise that this whole argument is BS. We don't know their motives so sit there and sulk if you like, It won't change my opinion and I can't be bothered trying to change yours.

So stop trying to play the martyr people, it just makes you look like a silly ass.
  

No, taking a civil discussion and switching over to telling people to "stop whining" and "shut up" and "sit there and sulk if you like" and other personal attacks is what makes you look like a silly ass.

Sorry that was a little blunt. This whole argument is just so stupid, It irritates me to no end. Screaming  at each other is not the way to try and convince people of your opinion. 
I see your point. I don't share it but I understand.

[BeefoTheBold]

JD196 wrote...

BeefoTheBold wrote...

JD196 wrote...

Starting another story would be rediculous I agree. This isn't another story, this is a added side story that is there for FUN. I realise the concept may be alien to you but there you go. And before you start whining about how It's just a money making scheme just shut up and realise that this whole argument is BS. We don't know their motives so sit there and sulk if you like, It won't change my opinion and I can't be bothered trying to change yours.

So stop trying to play the martyr people, it just makes you look like a silly ass.
  

No, taking a civil discussion and switching over to telling people to "stop whining" and "shut up" and "sit there and sulk if you like" and other personal attacks is what makes you look like a silly ass.

Sorry that was a little blunt. This whole argument is just so stupid, It irritates me to no end. Screaming  at each other is not the way to try and convince people of your opinion. 
I see your point. I don't share it but I understand.

No worries. It's a polarizing decision. I probably should have been a bit more diplomatic in my response back. Sorry about that.

[JD196]

BeefoTheBold wrote...

JD196 wrote...

BeefoTheBold wrote...

JD196 wrote...

Starting another story would be rediculous I agree. This isn't another story, this is a added side story that is there for FUN. I realise the concept may be alien to you but there you go. And before you start whining about how It's just a money making scheme just shut up and realise that this whole argument is BS. We don't know their motives so sit there and sulk if you like, It won't change my opinion and I can't be bothered trying to change yours.

So stop trying to play the martyr people, it just makes you look like a silly ass.
  

No, taking a civil discussion and switching over to telling people to "stop whining" and "shut up" and "sit there and sulk if you like" and other personal attacks is what makes you look like a silly ass.

Sorry that was a little blunt. This whole argument is just so stupid, It irritates me to no end. Screaming  at each other is not the way to try and convince people of your opinion. 
I see your point. I don't share it but I understand.

No worries. It's a polarizing decision. I probably should have been a bit more diplomatic in my response back. Sorry about that.

 
See people this is progress only 100+ pages in and people are actually finding common ground and acting like civilised adults. 

[BeefoTheBold]

JD196 wrote...

BeefoTheBold wrote...

JD196 wrote...

BeefoTheBold wrote...

JD196 wrote...

Starting another story would be rediculous I agree. This isn't another story, this is a added side story that is there for FUN. I realise the concept may be alien to you but there you go. And before you start whining about how It's just a money making scheme just shut up and realise that this whole argument is BS. We don't know their motives so sit there and sulk if you like, It won't change my opinion and I can't be bothered trying to change yours.

So stop trying to play the martyr people, it just makes you look like a silly ass.
  

No, taking a civil discussion and switching over to telling people to "stop whining" and "shut up" and "sit there and sulk if you like" and other personal attacks is what makes you look like a silly ass.

Sorry that was a little blunt. This whole argument is just so stupid, It irritates me to no end. Screaming  at each other is not the way to try and convince people of your opinion. 
I see your point. I don't share it but I understand.

No worries. It's a polarizing decision. I probably should have been a bit more diplomatic in my response back. Sorry about that.

 
See people this is progress only 100+ pages in and people are actually finding common ground and acting like civilised adults. 

I'm gonna quit on that high note for now. I get cranky when I'm hungry and it's dinner time. Ciao everyone. Guess we'll watch for the extra details and see how things go.

[gamer_girl]

Darkeus wrote...

gamer_girl wrote...

Darkeus wrote...

gamer_girl wrote...

I don't think BW could win with you if they gave you exactly what you wanted. I don't think the problem is BW. The problem is you.

No, they have won with me with every game I have bought from the.  From Baldur's Gate to now.  I have been here for a long time.  Please, you know nothing about me.

And what I have seen is a degrading of quality since EA got involved.  I am a fan who does not like what he sees with his favorite game company and thinks multiplayer is just a cash-in idea that looks to detriment a superior Single Player RPG. 

Smh, you though.....

So why not go to the I-don't-know side rather than the this-is-practically-guaranteed-to-ruin-this-entire-game side? To make such a huge assumption only makes you look foolish. Nobody knows how the MP will be and only a few have had the chance to play the demo at a game convention. From what I've read, the general concensus from people who have played the demo is that it has fantastic gameplay. So to me it just sounds like you're throwing a bit of a tantrum just because you weren't satisfied with DA2 and you're taking it out on the multiplayer even though an entirely separate team worked on it.

It is the pattern of decreasing quality.  EA seeps more and more into the decision making and it is causing harm to the games.  This does not look good.  I do not trust what the Devs say yet and I think this is a mistake that may detract from the game.  It already takes away from the Single Player by exsisting and providing an alternate way.  The game does not need an alternate way to achieve a SINGLE PLAYER GOAL>  Mass Effect is a single player experience that happens to be personal for every person who plays it.

Co-op takes away from that.  And it seems tacked on and it is sure to cause bugs and just is better as something separate.  I think the devs are spinning the effect it will have on Single Player, I really do.

So I am on the side of pessimistically cautious.  BioWare is questionable right now and I don't trust this to work right or not affect my Single Player game. If they pull it off, bravo!  Maybe I will even check it out once or twice since I don't really care about co-op anyway.  But I don't think so.  I have a BAD feeling about this....

-Why is it that your opinion on quality is the only opinion on quality? I know many people who think the quality of BW's games has improved, so you can't say that the quality has decreased as if it is a fact.

-If you believe the quality of BW's games has decreased, why do you assume it is because of EA? Could it not merely be a coincidence?

-Explain how it takes away from single player by existing? You don't have to use it and an entirely different team separate from the single player team worked on it. Your logic seems to have some flaws there.

-Sure the game doesn't need an alternate way, but then what are BioWare games all about? They give you choices. It's a choose your own adventure, not a take-away-the-alternatives-that-others-may-enjoy-just-because-Darkeus-had-a-minor-embolism adventure.

-This is a major point I have here "that happens to be personal for every person who plays it". If it is personal for each different person, why should something many people (not necessarily you) will enjoy and that could ADD to THEIR personal experience be taken away?

-Explain how co-op takes anything at all away from single player. You sure like spamming that statement without any direct proof that it does so.

-Key word think. Yes you THINK the devs are spinning the effect it will have on single player. Do you KNOW that? Nope. Why should we assume that your judgement is accurate?

[Novate]

I totally understand the argument that anything extra in the Mass Effect Universe will be a great idea. But what is really annoying is that these extra content is not about Shepard!!
I have controlled Shepard's destiny for over two Games, and this is suppose to be the final Game about Shepard. I won't get another chance to control his destiny, its the end of the lines for him.

If they were making another Mass Effect , and continuing his story then I won't be so up on arms against the Multiplayer CO-OP I would be cheering for a job well done Bioware.

But its his final Story, THIS IS IT!! there is no more Commander Shepard, the Mass Effect Universe will continue to expand, more games will be based off this Mass Effect Universe, but why does it have to be on the last chapter of his journey.

I love CO-OP and all FPS, but still why?? why must you temper with Shepard's Final Journey.

[Taciter]

JD196 wrote...
Not that close to dying. Just think, it's the end of the series and if they try it out and it works brilliant. If not they won't do it again and their future games will be even better. Not much concillation at the current time but better s good game now for brilliant ones in the future.

I admire your pragmatism and your optimism JD, but I'm no spring chicken and I've seen too much corporate shenanigans to assume such an idealistic interpretation.

[Shadow Keta]

Now this will be cool i can make a turian and kick some reaper butt

[TheGreenAlloy]

JD196 wrote...

BeefoTheBold wrote...

JD196 wrote...

BeefoTheBold wrote...

JD196 wrote...

Starting another story would be rediculous I agree. This isn't another story, this is a added side story that is there for FUN. I realise the concept may be alien to you but there you go. And before you start whining about how It's just a money making scheme just shut up and realise that this whole argument is BS. We don't know their motives so sit there and sulk if you like, It won't change my opinion and I can't be bothered trying to change yours.

So stop trying to play the martyr people, it just makes you look like a silly ass.
  

No, taking a civil discussion and switching over to telling people to "stop whining" and "shut up" and "sit there and sulk if you like" and other personal attacks is what makes you look like a silly ass.

Sorry that was a little blunt. This whole argument is just so stupid, It irritates me to no end. Screaming  at each other is not the way to try and convince people of your opinion. 
I see your point. I don't share it but I understand.

No worries. It's a polarizing decision. I probably should have been a bit more diplomatic in my response back. Sorry about that.

 
See people this is progress only 100+ pages in and people are actually finding common ground and acting like civilised adults. 

Love to see this.