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[whywhywhywhy]

Lard wrote...

someguy1231 wrote...

Why are people still playing the "MP diverts resources from SP" card? As has been pointed out many, MANY times (including the OP), the MP is being handled by a different studio.

MP takes resources directly away from the SP game. Every single time.

That is indisputable.

yep.  At the end of the day no matter how the funds are allocated including MP took away resources that could hav been fought for to make ME3 the undisputed crowning GOTC.  But they went the money route and I have a strong feeling it's going to backfire.

[Darkeus]

gamer_girl wrote...

Darkeus wrote...

gamer_girl wrote...

Darkeus wrote...

gamer_girl wrote...

I don't think BW could win with you if they gave you exactly what you wanted. I don't think the problem is BW. The problem is you.

No, they have won with me with every game I have bought from the.  From Baldur's Gate to now.  I have been here for a long time.  Please, you know nothing about me.

And what I have seen is a degrading of quality since EA got involved.  I am a fan who does not like what he sees with his favorite game company and thinks multiplayer is just a cash-in idea that looks to detriment a superior Single Player RPG. 

Smh, you though.....

So why not go to the I-don't-know side rather than the this-is-practically-guaranteed-to-ruin-this-entire-game side? To make such a huge assumption only makes you look foolish. Nobody knows how the MP will be and only a few have had the chance to play the demo at a game convention. From what I've read, the general concensus from people who have played the demo is that it has fantastic gameplay. So to me it just sounds like you're throwing a bit of a tantrum just because you weren't satisfied with DA2 and you're taking it out on the multiplayer even though an entirely separate team worked on it.

It is the pattern of decreasing quality.  EA seeps more and more into the decision making and it is causing harm to the games.  This does not look good.  I do not trust what the Devs say yet and I think this is a mistake that may detract from the game.  It already takes away from the Single Player by exsisting and providing an alternate way.  The game does not need an alternate way to achieve a SINGLE PLAYER GOAL>  Mass Effect is a single player experience that happens to be personal for every person who plays it.

Co-op takes away from that.  And it seems tacked on and it is sure to cause bugs and just is better as something separate.  I think the devs are spinning the effect it will have on Single Player, I really do.

So I am on the side of pessimistically cautious.  BioWare is questionable right now and I don't trust this to work right or not affect my Single Player game. If they pull it off, bravo!  Maybe I will even check it out once or twice since I don't really care about co-op anyway.  But I don't think so.  I have a BAD feeling about this....

-Why is it that your opinion on quality is the only opinion on quality? I know many people who think the quality of BW's games has improved, so you can't say that the quality has decreased as if it is a fact.

-If you believe the quality of BW's games has decreased, why do you assume it is because of EA? Could it not merely be a coincidence?

-Explain how it takes away from single player by existing? You don't have to use it and an entirely different team separate from the single player team worked on it. Your logic seems to have some flaws there.

-Sure the game doesn't need an alternate way, but then what are BioWare games all about? They give you choices. It's a choose your own adventure, not a take-away-the-alternatives-that-others-may-enjoy-just-because-Darkeus-had-a-minor-embolism adventure.

-This is a major point I have here "that happens to be personal for every person who plays it". If it is personal for each different person, why should something many people (not necessarily you) will enjoy and that could ADD to THEIR personal experience be taken away?

-Explain how co-op takes anything at all away from single player. You sure like spamming that statement without any direct proof that it does so.

-Key word think. Yes you THINK the devs are spinning the effect it will have on single player. Do you KNOW that? Nope. Why should we assume that your judgement is accurate?

Multiplayer does not add to the choice of the game.  I do not believe it will not affect Single player.  Either through unintentional (Bugs and programming problems) to intentional issues that detract from the game that have not been disclosed.  What am I missing from not using this mode to increaase my readiness.  What story elements am I missing out on? WIll the addition of this artifically inflate the Galactic readiness score of my SP game and therefore make it to easy?  Or too hard?  Does this involve others in my personal Mass Effect experience?  Did time and resources better used for making this aspect of the game better get wasted on what may be a worthless feature?

I think you are not looking at this deep enough really, but whatever.  You are not looking at what effects it could have.  Instead you just hope BioWare knows what they are doing.  That is craziness.  

And what proof do you have of anything?  What are you saying that is not pure speculation?  We are all speculating here off of a PR faq that may or may not be entirely truthful.  Do YOU know any of the answers to the questions you ask?  Of course you do not.

And no, it is not a coincidence.  EA's influence is easy to spot.  Come on, you are not blind...  BioWare has gone down hill since gaining corporate masters.

Modifié par Darkeus, 11 octobre 2011 - 11:49 .

[TheGreenAlloy]

Novate wrote...

I totally understand the argument that anything extra in the Mass Effect Universe will be a great idea. But what is really annoying is that these extra content is not about Shepard!!
I have controlled Shepard's destiny for over two Games, and this is suppose to be the final Game about Shepard. I won't get another chance to control his destiny, its the end of the lines for him.

If they were making another Mass Effect , and continuing his story then I won't be so up on arms against the Multiplayer CO-OP I would be cheering for a job well done Bioware.

But its his final Story, THIS IS IT!! there is no more Commander Shepard, the Mass Effect Universe will continue to expand, more games will be based off this Mass Effect Universe, but why does it have to be on the last chapter of his journey.

I love CO-OP and all FPS, but still why?? why must you temper with Shepard's Final Journey.

I hear you.

[Darkeus]

Double post,

Modifié par Darkeus, 11 octobre 2011 - 11:48 .

[TheGreenAlloy]

whywhywhywhy wrote...

Lard wrote...

someguy1231 wrote...

Why are people still playing the "MP diverts resources from SP" card? As has been pointed out many, MANY times (including the OP), the MP is being handled by a different studio.

MP takes resources directly away from the SP game. Every single time.

That is indisputable.

yep.  At the end of the day no matter how the funds are allocated including MP took away resources that could hav been fought for to make ME3 the undisputed crowning GOTC.  But they went the money route and I have a strong feeling it's going to backfire.

We don't know if they got those funds because of co-op, though.

[whywhywhywhy]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

Lard wrote...

Anyone with common sense knows what I am saying about MP is fact.

Damn it, I hate it when I can't tell the difference between sincerity and satire.

In the even that you're serious, here's a protip: when arguing common sense, use it.  Saying you are right and that anyone who disagress is stupid while refusing to back up your position with hard evidence makes you look like an idiot.  It doesn't matter which position you are arguing; it's just good form.

In the event that you're trolling: damn, son.  You got me.

blah blah blah, make a point so I can refute it.  Lard has made his points go back and read em

[Darkeus]

Taciter wrote...

JD196 wrote...
Not that close to dying. Just think, it's the end of the series and if they try it out and it works brilliant. If not they won't do it again and their future games will be even better. Not much concillation at the current time but better s good game now for brilliant ones in the future.

I admire your pragmatism and your optimism JD, but I'm no spring chicken and I've seen too much corporate shenanigans to assume such an idealistic interpretation.

Amen....

[Novate]

I totally understand that anything extra added to the Mass Effect Universe is a great thing. But I am just annoyed and pissed that they had to do it on Shepard's final Journey. I love CO-OP and any FPS games out there. But?!?!

If this wasn't suppose to be Command Shepard's final journey, and that Bioware is gonna create a Mass Effect 4 that continues Shepard's story then I won't be so up on arms against this feature. I will be welcoming it with both arms wide. And celebrating the great Co-op add on.

But that just isn't the case, this is the final Chapter in Command Shepard's story, and anything that has nothing relating to his/her story and journey is just unwarranted. This is suppose to be Command Shepard's trilogy, its suppose to be us controlling his/her Destiny through this vast and wonderous Universe. But instead of that, we are getting a tag on OPTIONAL Co-op .

We watched Commander Shepard grown into a Spectre, Then an Cerberus agent and now he is back and we are getting an Entirely OPTIONAL CO-OP that has nothing to do with him ???!?!?!?!

That is why I don't feel like this is a good thing at all.

[JD196]

TheGreenAlloy wrote...

Love to see this.

Don't get used to it. Probably a one time only deal unfotunately.

Modifié par JD196, 11 octobre 2011 - 11:51 .

[Walker White]

whywhywhywhy wrote...

Lard wrote...

someguy1231 wrote...

Why are people still playing the "MP diverts resources from SP" card? As has been pointed out many, MANY times (including the OP), the MP is being handled by a different studio.

MP takes resources directly away from the SP game. Every single time.

That is indisputable.

yep.  At the end of the day no matter how the funds are allocated including MP took away resources that could hav been fought for to make ME3 the undisputed crowning GOTC.  But they went the money route and I have a strong feeling it's going to backfire.

This is 100% false.  The financial office sets budgets based on expected sales.  If they believe multiplayer will bring in X number of players who would not get the game otherwise, then they will spend more money on the title.  Now, we can argue as to whether multiplayer will actually bring in new players, but if the bean counters believe it will, then that is all that matters for BioWare to get free money.

[The Interloper]

Darkeus wrote...

It is the pattern of decreasing quality.  EA seeps more and more into the decision making and it is causing harm to the games.  This does not look good.  I do not trust what the Devs say yet and I think this is a mistake that may detract from the game.  It already takes away from the Single Player by exsisting and providing an alternate way.  The game does not need an alternate way to achieve a SINGLE PLAYER GOAL>  Mass Effect is a single player experience that happens to be personal for every person who plays it.

Co-op takes away from that.  And it seems tacked on and it is sure to cause bugs and just is better as something separate.  I think the devs are spinning the effect it will have on Single Player, I really do.

So I am on the side of pessimistically cautious.  BioWare is questionable right now and I don't trust this to work right or not affect my Single Player game. If they pull it off, bravo!  Maybe I will even check it out once or twice since I don't really care about co-op anyway.  But I don't think so.  I have a BAD feeling about this....

 I agree that their games have become a bit more shaky, to the degree that I didn't buy DA2 (yet), but this is probably to be expected considering EA's involvement. I for one take heart in the fact that ME3 which was developed almost entirely under EA will be correcting some of ME2's flaws, like oversimplified RPG elements, and that they didn't give it an 18 month development time. In short, they learn. And while they didn't issue a public apology or anything for DA2 I undertand they did express a desire to move a bit more back towards DAO for DA3. And then there's the fact that in the PA statement, which as I said are usually just harping, they awknowledged that co-op might pose issues and made statements to try and allay the concerns.

Again, they made it quite clear that all major content was finished around the middle of this year and that nothing new was going to be added and all the rest of the time would be spent on balancing and refining. I also understand MP development didn't begin until around then, and how many dev teams does it take to balance a game? 

I'm an cautious optimist where these things are concerned and all things considered I think matters aren't looking to shabby.

Darkeus wrote...
\\ Instead you just hope BioWare knows what they are doing.  That is craziness.  

And what proof do you have of anything?  What are you saying that is not pure speculation?  We are all speculating here off of a PR faq that may or may not be entirely truthful.  Do YOU know any of the question you ask?  Of course you do not.

And no, it is not a coincidence.  EA's influence is easy to spot.  Some on, you are not blind...  BioWare has gone down hill since gaining corporate masters.

It's crazy to assume that a professional, AAA studio must be blundering since they make a good-instead-of-the-usual-great game once. It's possible, but speculation. I think we both agree this is to early to call.

[whywhywhywhy]

someguy1231 wrote...

Lard wrote...

someguy1231 wrote...

Why are people still playing the "MP diverts resources from SP" card? As has been pointed out many, MANY times (including the OP), the MP is being handled by a different studio.

MP takes resources directly away from the SP game. Every single time.

That is indisputable.

*sigh*
Guess I'll say it again:
Those resources were never meant for the SP to begin with!!!!!
[/u][u]

YOU DON'T KNOW THAT.  You assume that, we don't even know who initiated the shooter mechanics and MP gameplay to begin with.  If it was Bioware then what ever budget requested was in their control to define and per approval acquire.

[JD196]

Taciter wrote...

JD196 wrote...
Not that close to dying. Just think, it's the end of the series and if they try it out and it works brilliant. If not they won't do it again and their future games will be even better. Not much concillation at the current time but better s good game now for brilliant ones in the future.

I admire your pragmatism and your optimism JD, but I'm no spring chicken and I've seen too much corporate shenanigans to assume such an idealistic interpretation.

I know, but I can dream right?  

[Ace of Dawn]

whywhywhywhy wrote...

someguy1231 wrote...

Lard wrote...

someguy1231 wrote...

Why are people still playing the "MP diverts resources from SP" card? As has been pointed out many, MANY times (including the OP), the MP is being handled by a different studio.

MP takes resources directly away from the SP game. Every single time.

That is indisputable.

*sigh*
Guess I'll say it again:
Those resources were never meant for the SP to begin with!!!!!
[/u][u]

YOU DON'T KNOW THAT.  You assume that, we don't even know who initiated the shooter mechanics and MP gameplay to begin with.  If it was Bioware then what ever budget requested was in their control to define and per approval acquire.

When you request funding, you clearly write down what everything is intended for. Bioware would have, by necessity, requested the money specifically for this. Otherwise, the Developer wouldn't sign off on it. And considering how much it would likely cost to implement this, I very much doubt they would have signed off on a large sum of money solely for campaign.

[Darkeus]

The Interloper wrote...



It's crazy to assume that a professional, AAA studio must be blundering since they make a good-instead-of-the-usual-great game once. It's possible, but speculation. I think we both agree this is to early to call.

It is just not Dragon Age 2.  There has been a series of concerning items that make me doubt.  As someone said above, I have seen too many corporate shenanigans to believe a PR Faq.  We are speculating and it will not even end tomorrow when more info comes forth.

My gut feeling just screams "bad" but maybe I am wrong.  I HOPE I am wrong to be honest....

[TheGreenAlloy]

whywhywhywhy wrote...

someguy1231 wrote...

Lard wrote...

someguy1231 wrote...

Why are people still playing the "MP diverts resources from SP" card? As has been pointed out many, MANY times (including the OP), the MP is being handled by a different studio.

MP takes resources directly away from the SP game. Every single time.

That is indisputable.

*sigh*
Guess I'll say it again:
Those resources were never meant for the SP to begin with!!!!!
[/u][u]

YOU DON'T KNOW THAT.

Of course not. None of us know that. I won't argue for or against it. What I believe is one thing, but there is no definitive proof for either "side".

[Taciter]

gamer_girl wrote...
-Why is it that your opinion on quality is the only opinion on quality? I know many people who think the quality of BW's games has improved, so you can't say that the quality has decreased as if it is a fact.

That's a very subjective analysis girl.

gamer_girl wrote...
-If you believe the quality of BW's games has decreased, why do you assume it is because of EA? Could it not merely be a coincidence?

It most certainly could but most of us hold Bioware very close to our hearts and like a child can do no wrong in the eyes of a prent, Bioware remains above reproach in our eyes. Instead we prefer to think that the new Landlord has been the catalyst for this little domestic spat.

gamer_girl wrote...
-Explain how it takes away from single player by existing? You don't have to use it and an entirely different team separate from the single player team worked on it. Your logic seems to have some flaws there.

Because any content included with Mass Effect is canon and contains content crucial to the experience as a whole. Publishing said content in a format so fundamentally at odds with a large proportion the franchise's existing customer base virtually precludes them from experiencing that content - at the very least, it patronises their ideology.

gamer_girl wrote...
-Sure the game doesn't need an alternate way, but then what are BioWare games all about? They give you choices. It's a choose your own adventure, not a take-away-the-alternatives-that-others-may-enjoy-just-because-Darkeus-had-a-minor-embolism adventure.

But this is not a 'choice', it's an imposition - an ultimatum! You like multiplayer...you get it all, you don't like multiplayer... make do!

gamer_girl wrote...
-This is a major point I have here "that happens to be personal for every person who plays it". If it is personal for each different person, why should something many people (not necessarily you) will enjoy and that could ADD to THEIR personal experience be taken away?

The entire franchise is personal to a great many of us so by incorporating a game mechanic that precludes 'solo' players, you are denying those players a welcome extension to content so inextricably linked to the franchise as a whole.

gamer_girl wrote...
-Explain how co-op takes anything at all away from single player. You sure like spamming that statement without any direct proof that it does so.

See above.

gamer_girl wrote...
-Key word think. Yes you THINK the devs are spinning the effect it will have on single player. Do you KNOW that? Nope. Why should we assume that your judgement is accurate?

No one should presume anything until we know more but that doesn't preclude the option for open discourse on the subject.

For my part, I would gladly accept this addition so long as bots can be implemented as an optional alternative to multiplayer.

[gamer_girl]

Darkeus wrote...

gamer_girl wrote...

Darkeus wrote...

gamer_girl wrote...

Darkeus wrote...

gamer_girl wrote...

I don't think BW could win with you if they gave you exactly what you wanted. I don't think the problem is BW. The problem is you.

No, they have won with me with every game I have bought from the.  From Baldur's Gate to now.  I have been here for a long time.  Please, you know nothing about me.

And what I have seen is a degrading of quality since EA got involved.  I am a fan who does not like what he sees with his favorite game company and thinks multiplayer is just a cash-in idea that looks to detriment a superior Single Player RPG. 

Smh, you though.....

So why not go to the I-don't-know side rather than the this-is-practically-guaranteed-to-ruin-this-entire-game side? To make such a huge assumption only makes you look foolish. Nobody knows how the MP will be and only a few have had the chance to play the demo at a game convention. From what I've read, the general concensus from people who have played the demo is that it has fantastic gameplay. So to me it just sounds like you're throwing a bit of a tantrum just because you weren't satisfied with DA2 and you're taking it out on the multiplayer even though an entirely separate team worked on it.

It is the pattern of decreasing quality.  EA seeps more and more into the decision making and it is causing harm to the games.  This does not look good.  I do not trust what the Devs say yet and I think this is a mistake that may detract from the game.  It already takes away from the Single Player by exsisting and providing an alternate way.  The game does not need an alternate way to achieve a SINGLE PLAYER GOAL>  Mass Effect is a single player experience that happens to be personal for every person who plays it.

Co-op takes away from that.  And it seems tacked on and it is sure to cause bugs and just is better as something separate.  I think the devs are spinning the effect it will have on Single Player, I really do.

So I am on the side of pessimistically cautious.  BioWare is questionable right now and I don't trust this to work right or not affect my Single Player game. If they pull it off, bravo!  Maybe I will even check it out once or twice since I don't really care about co-op anyway.  But I don't think so.  I have a BAD feeling about this....

-Why is it that your opinion on quality is the only opinion on quality? I know many people who think the quality of BW's games has improved, so you can't say that the quality has decreased as if it is a fact.

-If you believe the quality of BW's games has decreased, why do you assume it is because of EA? Could it not merely be a coincidence?

-Explain how it takes away from single player by existing? You don't have to use it and an entirely different team separate from the single player team worked on it. Your logic seems to have some flaws there.

-Sure the game doesn't need an alternate way, but then what are BioWare games all about? They give you choices. It's a choose your own adventure, not a take-away-the-alternatives-that-others-may-enjoy-just-because-Darkeus-had-a-minor-embolism adventure.

-This is a major point I have here "that happens to be personal for every person who plays it". If it is personal for each different person, why should something many people (not necessarily you) will enjoy and that could ADD to THEIR personal experience be taken away?

-Explain how co-op takes anything at all away from single player. You sure like spamming that statement without any direct proof that it does so.

-Key word think. Yes you THINK the devs are spinning the effect it will have on single player. Do you KNOW that? Nope. Why should we assume that your judgement is accurate?

Multiplayer does not add to the choice of the game.  I do not believe it will not affect Single player.  Either through unintentional (Bugs and programming problems) to intentional (What am I missing from not using this mode to increaase my readiness.  What story elements am I missing out on? WIll the addition of this artifically inflate the Galactic readiness score of my SP game and therefore make it to easy?  Or too hard?  Does this involve others in my personal Mass Effect experience?  Did time and resources better used for making this aspect of the game better get wasted on what may be a worthless feature?)

I think you are not looking at this deep enough really, but whatever.  You are not looking at what effects it could have.  Instead you just hope BioWare knows what they are doing.  That is craziness.  

And what proof do you have of anything?  What are you saying that is not pure speculation?  We are all speculating here off of a PR faq that may or may not be entirely truthful.  Do YOU know any of the question you ask?  Of course you do not.

And no, it is not a coincidence.  EA's influence is easy to spot.  Some on, you are not blind...  BioWare has gone down hill since gaining corporate masters.

-Multiplayer does indeed add to the choice of the game. BW said themselves that it provides an alternate way to achieve a goal and so did you: "The game does not need an alternate way to achieve a SINGLE PLAYER GOAL"

-Of course you don't believe it won't affect single player. It affects it only if you want it to. Just as all other optional things affect your Mass Effect (ie. gender, class, romances, dialogue options, plot forks, etc.) only if you choose to use them.

-I would rather hope that they know what they're doing rather than assume they don't.

-I never said I had any proof of anything. I'm not sure of anything. My personal opinion is that it sounds cool, but logically, nobody can be sure of anything, and so there is no point in making it seem as though you are.

-None of those questions would apply to me obviously.

-As I said before, quality is subjective. Some people believe that the quality has increased. To say your opinion is the correct one is just silly as you have no way to directly prove that. And you have no way of proving that this supposed loss of quality is directly because of EA. A statement is not fact if it is something you "think" and not something you know.

[Ancient Metal]

Darkeus wrote...

culletron1 wrote...

whywhywhywhy wrote...

BeefoTheBold wrote...

shep82 wrote...

No but I trust in Bioware they have yet to do anything to loose that trust.

1. Dragon Age 2
2. Witch Hunt
3. The Arrival
4. Awakenings (Good game...just half-finished and didn't allow your choices from DAO to have much of an impact unless you were a human noble.)
5. Kinect
6. MMO Kotor instead of KOTOR3
7. Strongly implying for months that no MP in ME3 only to reverse course at close to the last minute

I could go on. People who complain about Bioware recently may not necessarily DISLIKE Bioware, but they may dislike the (rapidly accelerating) direction of their business strategy in a direction that is away from their tastes and preferences.

I love Bioware. I own all of their games and most of the DLC. I've been one of the fans that has been there with them from the beginning. They lost my preorder with this decision.

yeah, was a interesting ride. 

This also is exactly what I am worried about... The direction of the company as of late has been extremely worrying.

Everything lately from DA2 to this multiplayer just stinks of sell out... Once upon a time I trusted them completely to make EXACTLY the type of content I love. Content I would pay $1000 for... 

No more

This is me.  I love BioWare and have bought every damn game they have released except for the Sonic game (I don't have handhelds.  :-p)

But the direction of the company, decisions being made, Dragon Age 2, and now this?  Seriously concerned for the quality of my favorite game series.

I feel the same way. My girlfriend feels the same way. We are both avid rpg fans, and have enjoyed good BioWare rpgs for many years. We are dismayed by the direction of the company and frustrated that Mass Effect 3 seems to be a continuation of a trend that has begun. I thoroughly enjoyed Mass Effect 1 and 2, particularly the original with more open areas, open exploration and a much better story. Mass Effect 2 was also very good with excellent writing. We are both immensely concerned with sacrifices that are made to things we like and feel frustrated to no end that Mass Effect 3, the conclusion of the trilogy, could be distorted and twisted so much and actually shift primary focus away from Shepard and his/her crew. It's unbelievable and unfathomable that to conclude this what was up until now not only a masterful sci-fi epic but one of the greatest stories ever. It's all for nothing ; the focus is now away from Shepard and on which other race these players can play. It demonstrates a true hand, that it isn't about delivering a trully masterful and full-effort single player story campaign. There had been a compromise, a compromise to the effort given and a submission to casual play. I am a PC gamer, but i feel bad for players who want achievements, all of them, in the game but won't be able to receive them unless they are forced into multiplayer.

It's a very disappointing last two days, as Mass Effect 3 was easily my most anticipated game. I had it preordered when it first came out for preorder. But today I cancelled and will not be purchasing this game until it receives a drop in its price and I see how well it is received. I am also tomorrow cancelling my order for Star Wars: The Old Republic, as i now have zero faith in it. That is the multiplayer i enjoy...mmorpgs, but I know they are multiplayer. I have lost all interest in that game as well...I do not want to purchase a game from the company who ruined Mass Effect at the very end and disappointed me so much. I waited since 2007 and I was so excited, but it is ruined now.

[Alenkosexualtendencies]

So much hate for a feature in a game that hasn't even been demo'd to the public yet. I hope MP DOES affect your SP in a dramatic game changing manner.... just so the trolls can drop this game.

[whywhywhywhy]

Gatt9 wrote...
EA didn't give a low selling game* extra money to implement features,  they had a finite budget to build the game with the direct order to implement Multiplayer in order to facilitate Online Pass,  so they can use it as Used Game DRM.  That's all this is,  because the game is in no way improved by shoehorning multiplayer into a narrative driven design that is completely disrupted by it's inclusion.

The fact that EA pushed DA2 out the door half baked pretty much illustrates how things work there now.

*I know someone's going to try and claim ME2 sold a ton of units,  google NPD for the first three months of the game's release before making the claim.  It's very clear it didn't sell anywhere near what people think it did. 

yep, you've come to realize the truth of the matter. I've talked about this before and was attacked over it, I guess because everything I was saying was right on target.

[culletron1]

The Interloper wrote...

 I agree that their games have become a bit more shaky, to the degree that I didn't buy DA2 (yet), but this is probably to be expected considering EA's involvement. I for one take heart in the fact that ME3 which was developed almost entirely under EA will be correcting some of ME2's flaws, like oversimplified RPG elements, and that they didn't give it an 18 month development time. In short, they learn. And while they didn't issue a public apology or anything for DA2 I undertand they did express a desire to move a bit more back towards DAO for DA3. And then there's the fact that in the PA statement, which as I said are usually just harping, they awknowledged that co-op might pose issues and made statements to try and allay the concerns.

Again, they made it quite clear that all major content was finished around the middle of this year and that nothing new was going to be added and all the rest of the time would be spent on balancing and refining. I also understand MP development didn't begin until around then, and how many dev teams does it take to balance a game? 

I'm an cautious optimist where these things are concerned and all things considered I think matters aren't looking to shabby.

I sincerely hope you are right... I am however feeling quite nervous about the company strategy as of late. DA2 was shockingly lacking in quality and the statements made since have NOT made me feel any better.

I am not sure that I am they type of gamer they want to dev for anymore...

Modifié par culletron1, 12 octobre 2011 - 12:03 .

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Walker White wrote...
Now, we can argue as to whether multiplayer will actually bring in new players, but if the bean counters believe it will, then that is all that matters for BioWare to get free money.

Ahhh yes, the bean counters and back room hacks.. that notoriously dedicated segment of the gaming community!

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I was reading this to my friend on Xbox LIVE and we, both hardcore Mass Effect fans, both had a nerdgasm.