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[MythicLegands]

I think people are forgetting one thing, the multi-player doesn't matter at the end of the day and whats all said and done it doesn't matter. Because three months after launch it's going to be a ghost town when people find out that there are far better games with far better multi-player features, then ME3 and EA will shout done the servers so you can buy mass effect 5. Bioware are truly going to have to step there game up if they want to play with the big dogs and prove their bite is bigger than their bark.

[addiction21]

Darkeus wrote...

http://stickskills.c...tails-revealed/

Just in case you haven't read this. It gives out some details that have not been disclosed before.

If you're one of those gamers that loves to complete every piece of a game, then you're in luck. By doing enough in the single player compaign you will be able to earn enough War Assets, you won't have to participate in the "galatic war".

You linked it. More confirmation that it is just optional.

And from that whole link it seems to be nothing more then a survival/horde mode.

The detractors case is getting weaker and weaker and they are helping in doing it.

[FLYING GRENADE11]

NOD-INFORMER37 wrote...

FLYING GRENADE11 wrote...

Sooooooooo.......anyone buthurt.

[didymos1120]

Jaldaric wrote...

Hmm, too bad there isn't a like button.

There is.  It's just a pain to do and no one pays any attention to it.  You have to go to this page and sift through a bunch of crap to find the post.

[Iakus]

Kasai666 wrote...

dielveio wrote...

This multiplayer option....I'll post my opinions about it AFTER a complete run on the game...
Seems the most logical and correct thing to do...

Take your logic and get out of here!

But leave your money 

[FLYING GRENADE11]

MythicLegands wrote...

I think people are forgetting one thing, the multi-player doesn't matter at the end of the day and whats all said and done it doesn't matter. Because three months after launch it's going to be a ghost town when people find out that there are far better games with far better multi-player features, then ME3 and EA will shout done the servers so you can buy mass effect 5. Bioware are truly going to have to step there game up if they want to play with the big dogs and prove their bite is bigger than their bark.

If only the internet was more accepting.

[masterkajo]

EDIT: nvm. Figured it out!

Modifié par masterkajo, 12 octobre 2011 - 04:04 .

[NOD-INFORMER37]

FLYING GRENADE11 wrote...

NOD-INFORMER37 wrote...

FLYING GRENADE11 wrote...

Sooooooooo.......anyone buthurt.

:3

[shep82]

Ancient Metal wrote...

ME3 preorder cancelled. I'm as I speak cancelling Star Wars: The Old Republic

Good wouldn't want the likes of you there anyway.

[FLYING GRENADE11]

ooops double post

Modifié par FLYING GRENADE11, 12 octobre 2011 - 04:02 .

[FLYING GRENADE11]

NOD-INFORMER37 wrote...

FLYING GRENADE11 wrote...

NOD-INFORMER37 wrote...

FLYING GRENADE11 wrote...

Sooooooooo.......anyone buthurt.

:3

(/^3^\\)

[NOD-INFORMER37]

shep82 wrote...

Ancient Metal wrote...

ME3 preorder cancelled. I'm as I speak cancelling Star Wars: The Old Republic

Good wouldn't want the likes of you there anyway.

Why are you ppl bashing him so much?

He's clearly a fan of Mass Effect otherwise he wouldnt be so pissed, I dont really blame him. 

BUT it could turn out to be a good thing this co-op, so every1 just chill. :/  

[Belisarius09]

hey, they closed the other thread with this questions but it's a question i'd still like answered. will we be able to do the co-op missions offline? like split screen? i remember when all the multi-player games were split screen and you could play them locally, now its only ever on live, meaning you have to have 2 consoles, two xbox live memberships, and two copies of the game, such a hassle.

also, if the co-op levels are only online, will it affect your me3 play through, or your friends play through? which one of us will be making any possible important decisions that could affect the main story?

the info we've been given is very vague, the missions are optional, and it is still possible to get a positive ending w/o them but how much do we miss out on for doing them/not doing them?

don't get me wrong, i'm warming to the idea of the coop levels and think they will be very fun, but you just dropped this huge new update on us and gave us very little info on how it will work. you're spoon feeding us something big but you haven't told us what it is we're putting in our mouths yet.

needless to say i look forwards to the announcement on Wednesday and I hope some of the questions can be answered.

[Killjoy Cutter]

RocketManSR2 wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

Jaldaric wrote...

Heh. This sounds disappointing.

I dislike people, why would I want to play a game with them that even affects SP?

Except for the fun fact that it doesn't if you don't want to.

It's all about the war profit.

Hard to say it won't affect SP when benefits from playing MP roll right on over into SP. 

Sweet jeezus, then don't play the goddamn MP. Nobody is forcing you to. Is Casey standing next to you pointing a gun at your head? NO! I would try to explain that you can accomplish the best ending without ever touching the MP, but your fanboy brain wouldn't comprehend any of it. I was against MP, but instead of freaking out I actually read, really read some more details. The new info makes me think I may play it before I finish the game, but I will hold off to avoid being spoiled by someone.

Your childish insult-based post reveals the hollowness of your actual position.  You assume that anyone who doesn't agree with you is a brainless fanboy who hasn't read the details of the MP system for ME3. 

Guess what, chief.  We have read the details, and we still don't want this crap.   And we've detailed many reasons why.  None of the details that have been revealed address those reasons. 

If MP can have any affect on SP, even if it's just "war points", then it's too connected.  ANY connection at all means that MP and SP are too connected. 

MP content uses DVD space that could be used for additional SP content. 

MP development uses resources that could be used for additional SP development.

MP makes mandatory Origin installation more likely.

MP makes anti-modding measures more likely. 

Etc. 

[NOD-INFORMER37]

Belisarius09 wrote...

hey, they closed the other thread with this questions but it's a question i'd still like answered. will we be able to do the co-op missions offline? like split screen? i remember when all the multi-player games were split screen and you could play them locally, now its only ever on live, meaning you have to have 2 consoles, two xbox live memberships, and two copies of the game, such a hassle.

also, if the co-op levels are only online, will it affect your me3 play through, or your friends play through? which one of us will be making any possible important decisions that could affect the main story?

the info we've been given is very vague, the missions are optional, and it is still possible to get a positive ending w/o them but how much do we miss out on for doing them/not doing them?

don't get me wrong, i'm warming to the idea of the coop levels and think they will be very fun, but you just dropped this huge new update on us and gave us very little info on how it will work. you're spoon feeding us something big but you haven't told us what it is we're putting in our mouths yet.

needless to say i look forwards to the announcement on Wednesday and I hope some of the questions can be answered.

http://stickskills.c...tails-revealed/

That should answer some questions but as for the offline idk. I REALLY hope we can play offline or at least with bots though. The wait for tommorw is unbearable lol

[Darkeus]

addiction21 wrote...

Darkeus wrote...

http://stickskills.c...tails-revealed/

Just in case you haven't read this. It gives out some details that have not been disclosed before.

If you're one of those gamers that loves to complete every piece of a game, then you're in luck. By doing enough in the single player compaign you will be able to earn enough War Assets, you won't have to participate in the "galatic war".

You linked it. More confirmation that it is just optional.

And from that whole link it seems to be nothing more then a survival/horde mode.

The detractors case is getting weaker and weaker and they are helping in doing it.

I know I linked it.  It seems tacked on and more useless now but keep your MP out of my SP and I could care less if it sucks.

I am concerned about gaining War Assets in MP and then skipping SP content, which is epic fail.  You should not be able to get further in the game with MP alone.  That is silly.  It may not be how it is implemented but that is what those details seem to suggest.

[Ancient Metal]

FLYING GRENADE11 wrote...

Ancient Metal wrote...

ME3 preorder cancelled. I'm as I speak cancelling Star Wars: The Old Republic

ಠ_ಠ What kind of a fan are you.

I have been an avid fan of BioWare ever since the first Baldur's Gate. My girlfriend and I both cancelled our ME3 preorders today and I just officially cancelled TOR. I'm going to wait for reviews and a drop in the game's retail price. I never tried a TES game before, but I hear they are good rpgs so I'm going to preorder Skyrim now.

[Gatt9]

Il Divo wrote...

didymos1120 wrote...

Yes, another obvious fact that didn't need pointing out.  But, just for giggles, what exactly is it that you think I might be wrong about?  Because I don't actually recall claiming anything about the effects of MP on SP other than that they don't preclude achieving the best ending (and yes: I do acknowledge the possibility that that could have been an outright lie. I just don't see any reason to rate that possibility particularly highly without, you know, EVIDENCE).   I DO recall stating that someone else had no evidence for their claims that there would be all sorts of missed SP content due to not using MP, and if it's that you think I might be wrong about, well, feel free to point out where said person actually provided anything other than bare assertion.

I gotta go with this approach. Positive evidence is positive evidence. If we start the "Bioware lies about everything" claims, then we get into plenty of illogical scenarios, such as Mass Effect 3 will not involve uniting the galaxy, despite Bioware assuring it was. Even if we want to assume the multi-player is terrible, there is no logic to support the multiplayer-->singleplayer comparisons, aside from "Bioware misdirected us before, so obviously they are lying now".

I've gotta give you credit,  that was an interesting way to try and avoid the topic,  but it'd be better if you dealt with the topic.

-EA wants Online Pass to force Used purchasers to pay them.
-Optional content doesn't force them to pay EA.
-The content cannot be optional,  regardless of what Bioware claims.

There's no valid reason for shoehorning multiplayer into a narrative driven SP experience,  it adds 0 value to the goal of the game,  which is to provide the best narrative driven experience possible.  Narratives aren't about shooting endless waves of whack-a-mole.  Adding endless waves of whack-a-mole doesn't improve narratives.

So the only option is that it's EA's used game DRM.  Which means the only option is that it's invasive.

Please,  counter-point me,  show how a narrative driven single player experience is improved through the addition of multiplayer whack-a-mole where narrative becomes impossible.

Relevant points to consider in the multiplayer impacting single player discussion:

The multiplayer experience boils down to a four player co-op survial style mode that lets you fight increasingly difficult waves of Cerberus foes.

The “Galaxy at War” mode gives you a reward system, character-progression suite, and a “stake in the larger battle that’s taking place in your single-player campaign.

How you perform in the multiplayer missions has a result on your success in the main storyline as Shepard, but only if you want it to.

Everything you do in the singleplayer campaign will earn you in-game currency called “War Assets”. War Assets allow you to purchase things such as allies, friendly fleets, or even a facility such as a radar station.

Successfully completing various side-missions, larger plot points, and destroying your enemies will net you the War Assets needed to purchase the upgrades.

The more you play and build up your multiplayer characters to surive increasingly tough odds, the more power and influence your single-player Shepard will wield by the time the endgame comes based on the amount of War Assets earned.”

If you’re one of those gamers that loves to complete every piece of a game, then you’re in luck. By doing enough in the singleplayer campaign, you will be able to earn enough War Assets, you won’t phave to participate in the “galactic war”.

You're absolutely right,  that is relevant.

In an RPG,  what you did for person(s) X is now irrelevant,  all that matter is money (War assets) which lets you buy whatever you want...this reminds me of something...wait...I've got it!  Gears of War 3!  Horde mode,  multiplayer where your kills let you buy objects and weapons!

TBH,  this is increasingly looking like the trainwreck I was expecting after Dragon Age 2.

[FLYING GRENADE11]

Ancient Metal wrote...

FLYING GRENADE11 wrote...

Ancient Metal wrote...

ME3 preorder cancelled. I'm as I speak cancelling Star Wars: The Old Republic

ಠ_ಠ What kind of a fan are you.

I have been an avid fan of BioWare ever since the first Baldur's Gate. My girlfriend and I both cancelled our ME3 preorders today and I just officially cancelled TOR. I'm going to wait for reviews and a drop in the game's retail price. I never tried a TES game before, but I hear they are good rpgs so I'm going to preorder Skyrim now.

Good luck in your ventures sir.

[Iakus]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

If MP can have any affect on SP, even if it's just "war points", then it's too connected.  ANY connection at all means that MP and SP are too connected. 

MP content uses DVD space that could be used for additional SP content. 

MP development uses resources that could be used for additional SP development.

MP makes mandatory Origin installation more likely.

MP makes anti-modding measures more likely. 

Etc. 

Iakus Friendship +10

Modifié par iakus, 12 octobre 2011 - 04:09 .

[XandurSE]

Darkeus wrote...

JeffZero wrote...

Darkeus wrote...

So I am assuming people have seen this?

http://stickskills.c...tails-revealed/

Probably not everyone so it's worth spamming a few times.

I will admit, I may have to eat my words.  And that makes me glad.  If this is true, I think I can live with this.

It still bugs me that there is Mp in this game and the mode seems really like a cash grab.  The one thing I do not like is that you can gain these "War Assets" in MP to affect SP.  So does this mean I can just play MP to beat the game and win the war?  Epic lame.

But SP does seem to be unaffected.  I still remain Pessimistically Cautious.  But this is a small glimmer of hope.

Am I the only one irked by the by the indiscriminate use of the word "multiplayer", as though it automatically means something akin to COD? Though it does technically have multiple players, 4-player co-op doesn't entail the same gameplay as what one is generally describing when using the term multiplayer; it's not 12 versus 12, it isn't going to be a frag-fest, and best of all it won't be you against real humans that have the capacity to end your fun way faster than an AI.

The fact of the matter is that it's just a few co-op missions. Look, not everyone plays ME, but we all - hopefully - have some friends that do, and it will only go as far as that. You and a whopping MAX of 3 other friends will play a few missions together if you so choose to. If. And it won't negatively impact your SP. You have nothing to lose and maybe some fun times to gain.

I still don't understand how you equate it to a cash-grab though. It's part of the game; as long as we don't pay for it as DLC and EA doesn't charge a membership fee for it, it's pretty much included in the cost of the game. If you're implying it's a cash-grab in the sense of stealing players away from other multiplayer games, I highly doubt that will happen: again, not everyone has played this series and with a cap of only 4 players, MP shooter fans aren't likely going to migrate en masse for it. If we're going to complain about cash-grabs, let's look at MP weapon packs and deals with soft drink companies. Yes you, Dr. Pepper.

But the final message I want us to come away with is that Bioware, and EA, don't owe you, or me, or any of us shi... I mean Shep. They have given us highly memorable and enjoyable experiences, and we've given them our money for it. They are not our friends, they are not our peers: we are fans, and we are clients. Do not be so presumptuous and self-righteous as to portray this as some sort of betrayal or like your opinion matters in the grand scheme of things; it all comes down to money.

You're welcome to post and blog and tweet until maybe, just maybe, someone on the inside sees your comments, happens to agree, and brings your ideas forward. But it's not likely. If you really want to protest the company's direction, boycott the game, don't buy it. It's that simple. But you won't do that. Because you love Mass Effect. If you didn't, you wouldn't have trolled through a forum and bothered to complain about it with such fervour. In other words: there's no point in complaining and criticizing the company's ethics or direction because you know what? You're going to buy the damn game anyway. The more you huff and puff now just makes you a bigger hypocrite when you fork over your 60$ to the corporation you buy it from.

So just enjoy the dang game.

[RocketManSR2]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

Your childish insult-based post reveals the hollowness of your actual position.  You assume that anyone who doesn't agree with you is a brainless fanboy who hasn't read the details of the MP system for ME3. 

Guess what, chief.  We have read the details, and we still don't want this crap.   And we've detailed many reasons why.  None of the details that have been revealed address those reasons. 

If MP can have any affect on SP, even if it's just "war points", then it's too connected.  ANY connection at all means that MP and SP are too connected. 

MP content uses DVD space that could be used for additional SP content. 

MP development uses resources that could be used for additional SP development.

MP makes mandatory Origin installation more likely.

MP makes anti-modding measures more likely. 

Etc. 

If I wanted to insult you, I would have. You have read, but do not comprehend. You can play ME3 just as you would had MP never been announced if you wish and simply rely on your choices to see you through.

[Icinix]

NOD-INFORMER37 wrote...

Belisarius09 wrote...

hey, they closed the other thread with this questions but it's a question i'd still like answered. will we be able to do the co-op missions offline? like split screen? i remember when all the multi-player games were split screen and you could play them locally, now its only ever on live, meaning you have to have 2 consoles, two xbox live memberships, and two copies of the game, such a hassle.

also, if the co-op levels are only online, will it affect your me3 play through, or your friends play through? which one of us will be making any possible important decisions that could affect the main story?

the info we've been given is very vague, the missions are optional, and it is still possible to get a positive ending w/o them but how much do we miss out on for doing them/not doing them?

don't get me wrong, i'm warming to the idea of the coop levels and think they will be very fun, but you just dropped this huge new update on us and gave us very little info on how it will work. you're spoon feeding us something big but you haven't told us what it is we're putting in our mouths yet.

needless to say i look forwards to the announcement on Wednesday and I hope some of the questions can be answered.

http://stickskills.c...tails-revealed/

That should answer some questions but as for the offline idk. I REALLY hope we can play offline or at least with bots though. The wait for tommorw is unbearable lol

Yes. Yes Please. Very much please.

Allow offline bot matches for people who don't have access to steady internet etc. That way single players who wouldn't use it might be more tempted to give it a whirl and they can get their readiness all uppidy and going.

[Belisarius09]

NOD-INFORMER37 wrote...

Belisarius09 wrote...

hey, they closed the other thread with this questions but it's a question i'd still like answered. will we be able to do the co-op missions offline? like split screen? i remember when all the multi-player games were split screen and you could play them locally, now its only ever on live, meaning you have to have 2 consoles, two xbox live memberships, and two copies of the game, such a hassle.

also, if the co-op levels are only online, will it affect your me3 play through, or your friends play through? which one of us will be making any possible important decisions that could affect the main story?

the info we've been given is very vague, the missions are optional, and it is still possible to get a positive ending w/o them but how much do we miss out on for doing them/not doing them?

don't get me wrong, i'm warming to the idea of the coop levels and think they will be very fun, but you just dropped this huge new update on us and gave us very little info on how it will work. you're spoon feeding us something big but you haven't told us what it is we're putting in our mouths yet.

needless to say i look forwards to the announcement on Wednesday and I hope some of the questions can be answered.

http://stickskills.c...tails-revealed/

That should answer some questions but as for the offline idk. I REALLY hope we can play offline or at least with bots though. The wait for tommorw is unbearable lol

hey thanks for that link, it shined light on a lot of stuff.

[Darkeus]

XandurSE wrote...

Darkeus wrote...

JeffZero wrote...

Darkeus wrote...

So I am assuming people have seen this?

http://stickskills.c...tails-revealed/

Probably not everyone so it's worth spamming a few times.

I will admit, I may have to eat my words.  And that makes me glad.  If this is true, I think I can live with this.

It still bugs me that there is Mp in this game and the mode seems really like a cash grab.  The one thing I do not like is that you can gain these "War Assets" in MP to affect SP.  So does this mean I can just play MP to beat the game and win the war?  Epic lame.

But SP does seem to be unaffected.  I still remain Pessimistically Cautious.  But this is a small glimmer of hope.

Am I the only one irked by the by the indiscriminate use of the word "multiplayer", as though it automatically means something akin to COD? Though it does technically have multiple players, 4-player co-op doesn't entail the same gameplay as what one is generally describing when using the term multiplayer; it's not 12 versus 12, it isn't going to be a frag-fest, and best of all it won't be you against real humans that have the capacity to end your fun way faster than an AI.

The fact of the matter is that it's just a few co-op missions. Look, not everyone plays ME, but we all - hopefully - have some friends that do, and it will only go as far as that. You and a whopping MAX of 3 other friends will play a few missions together if you so choose to. If. And it won't negatively impact your SP. You have nothing to lose and maybe some fun times to gain.

I still don't understand how you equate it to a cash-grab though. It's part of the game; as long as we don't pay for it as DLC and EA doesn't charge a membership fee for it, it's pretty much included in the cost of the game. If you're implying it's a cash-grab in the sense of stealing players away from other multiplayer games, I highly doubt that will happen: again, not everyone has played this series and with a cap of only 4 players, MP shooter fans aren't likely going to migrate en masse for it. If we're going to complain about cash-grabs, let's look at MP weapon packs and deals with soft drink companies. Yes you, Dr. Pepper.

But the final message I want us to come away with is that Bioware, and EA, don't owe you, or me, or any of us shi... I mean Shep. They have given us highly memorable and enjoyable experiences, and we've given them our money for it. They are not our friends, they are not our peers: we are fans, and we are clients. Do not be so presumptuous and self-righteous as to portray this as some sort of betrayal or like your opinion matters in the grand scheme of things; it all comes down to money.

You're welcome to post and blog and tweet until maybe, just maybe, someone on the inside sees your comments, happens to agree, and brings your ideas forward. But it's not likely. If you really want to protest the company's direction, boycott the game, don't buy it. It's that simple. But you won't do that. Because you love Mass Effect. If you didn't, you wouldn't have trolled through a forum and bothered to complain about it with such fervour. In other words: there's no point in complaining and criticizing the company's ethics or direction because you know what? You're going to buy the damn game anyway. The more you huff and puff now just makes you a bigger hypocrite when you fork over your 60$ to the corporation you buy it from.

So just enjoy the dang game.

You assume so much, and go ahead and do so....