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[CannotCompute]

masterkajo wrote...

DCarter wrote...

After mulling this announcement over some more, i'm pretty happy with biowares take on multiplayer. I just hope it isn't devoid of a story. I.e. some background information on the co-op missions and their part in the greater war effort and not just go here and blow this up.

I would hope that too. However, I am still a bit worried about spoilers in MP. As I see it now I could play MP after SP but then I wouldn't get any benefit in SP from it - or I play SP until a big battle happens then go to MP and play that battle and continue with the SP.

The SP story could however simply be: Game starts and 15 big battles happen at once. Shepard has to do his thing while all these battles happen during most of the game. So you could simple play MP anytime you want participating in any of the battles going on simultaniously.

Well, I sure don't hope it's only about fighting battles. I would also like to see some cool plot device, such as an ancient civilization which possessed awesome tech (or whatever) being discovered.

[Taciter]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Comsky159 wrote...

I wish there were no links with the single player. I just really hope we can use bots as a potential substitute for people; that would make it a lot more bearable.

No bots as of right now. It'll just be a lot tougher if you're on your own.

As for the so-called link with the multiplayer, you're just getting resources in a different way, and the battles themselves are more than likely taking place light years away from Shepard's journey.

So theoretically we DON'T have to team up? We could go solo and be given an even greatre challenge? Now we're talking!!!

[Candidate 88766]

getbentaholes wrote...

Am going to be frank about this.

I will NOT tolerate any shape or form of MP in ME3 whatsoever. Especially sodding co-op.

Congrats Bioware. You have just lost 5 N7 pre-orders and lost a loyal fan.

SO UP YOURS!

Because of course a truly 'loyal' fan would immediately cancel all pre-orders due to something they know virtually nothing about without even giving the company a chance to explain...

[CannotCompute]

Candidate 88766 wrote...

getbentaholes wrote...

Am going to be frank about this.

I will NOT tolerate any shape or form of MP in ME3 whatsoever. Especially sodding co-op.

Congrats Bioware. You have just lost 5 N7 pre-orders and lost a loyal fan.

SO UP YOURS!

Because of course a truly 'loyal' fan would immediately cancel all pre-orders due to something they know virtually nothing about without even giving the company a chance to explain...

Keep in mind he just signed up today.

[Taciter]

IsaacShep wrote...

thedistortedchild wrote...

If you can play the co-op alone in the finished product, then I will have no problem with it.

It would be the best solution.

Agreed!

[someguy1231]

Let me say one more thing to all the MP haters who argue that the resources for it could better be used for SP.

I personally hate the romances in all of the ME games because I find the dialogue forced and the love scenes to be incredibly cheesy and even somewhat creepy. I also highly resent how a few overzealous romance fans on these boards can have 100+ page threads talking about getting into the pants of their favorite character, which I believe contributes to the negative stereotypes of BSN posters. Frankly, if I were in charge of ME, I'd never have included romance, and used those resources toward things like more characters/dialogue/weapons/etc.

However....I also recognize that many people got into Mass Effect because of those romances, and if their sales contribute toward more ME games, then so be it (although I still wish they'd stop trying to turn ME into a Dating Sim series, but I digress).

Why can't you recognize that MP has the potential to also bring in more gamers who otherwise would not be inclined toward ME? Why can't you tolerate it even though it's optional? Why do you seem to think that it's mere presence cheapens or dilutes the SP? Stop treating it like it's some sort of infectious disease and get off your high horses. As much as I loathe romance, I recognize that it's helped bring in more ME fans. Why can't you do the same?

Modifié par someguy1231, 12 octobre 2011 - 01:09 .

[JGDD]

So...are co-op companions going to be immune from taking damage by others in the party? Never know, I might get indoctrinated on the fly and have a sudden urge to kill everything near me.Stranger things have happened.

[Il Divo]

someguy1231 wrote...

Let me say one more thing to all the MP haters who argue that the resources for it could better be used for SP.

I personally hate the romances in all of the ME games because I find the dialogue forced and the love scenes to be incredibly cheesy and even somewhat creepy. I also highly resent how a few overzealous romance fans on these boards can have 100+ page threads talking about getting into the pants of their favorite character, which I believe contributes to the negative stereotypes of BSN posters. Frankly, if I were in charge of ME, I'd never have included romance, and used those resources toward things like more characters/dialogue/weapons/etc.

However....I also recognize that many people got into Mass Effect because of those romances, and if their sales contribute toward more ME games, then so be it (although I still wish they'd stop trying to turn ME into a Dating Sim series, but I digress).

Why can't you recognize that MP has the potential to also bring in more gamers who otherwise would not be inclined toward ME? Why can't you tolerate it even though it's optional? Why do you seem to think that it's mere presence cheapens or dilutes the SP? Stop treating it like it's some sort of infectious disease and get off your high horses. As much as I loathe romance, I recognize that it's helped bring in more ME fans. Why can't you do the same?

Agreed. And it's a good analogy. Of all the things I love about Bioware games, the romance options have begun to grow stale.

Modifié par Il Divo, 12 octobre 2011 - 01:09 .

[Taciter]

someguy1231 wrote...

...Why can't you recognize that MP has the potential to also bring in more gamers who otherwise would not be inclined toward ME? Why can't you tolerate it even though it's optional? Why do you seem to think that it's mere presence cheapens or dilutes the SP? Stop treating it like it's some sort of infectious disease and get off your high horses. As much as I loathe romance, I recognize that it's helped bring in more ME fans. Why can't you do the same?

You're missing the point someguy, the sceptics (and I include myself) aren't so sceptical about the inclusion of 'additional' content or even the 'option' to multiplay said content... we just don;t like the idea that it should be exclusive to multiplayers! If 'Bots' were implemented as an optional alternative to signing up with RL groupies then I'm sure the majority would welcome the idea!

[Taciter]

Il Divo wrote...
Agreed. And it's a good analogy. Of all the things I love about Bioware games, the romance options have begun to grow stale.

Ironically, I think it's one of the more novel aspects of ME! Refreshing!

[Someone With Mass]

CannotCompute wrote...

Candidate 88766 wrote...

getbentaholes wrote...

Am going to be frank about this.

I will NOT tolerate any shape or form of MP in ME3 whatsoever. Especially sodding co-op.

Congrats Bioware. You have just lost 5 N7 pre-orders and lost a loyal fan.

SO UP YOURS!

Because of course a truly 'loyal' fan would immediately cancel all pre-orders due to something they know virtually nothing about without even giving the company a chance to explain...

Keep in mind he just signed up today.

His name isn't particularly friendly either.

[Taciter]

Someone With Mass wrote...
His name isn't particularly friendly either.

lol.. wonder who Ben is? and why does he so desperately need to get to a ho?

[masterkajo]

Taciter wrote...

someguy1231 wrote...

...Why can't you recognize that MP has the potential to also bring in more gamers who otherwise would not be inclined toward ME? Why can't you tolerate it even though it's optional? Why do you seem to think that it's mere presence cheapens or dilutes the SP? Stop treating it like it's some sort of infectious disease and get off your high horses. As much as I loathe romance, I recognize that it's helped bring in more ME fans. Why can't you do the same?

You're missing the point someguy, the sceptics (and I include myself) aren't so sceptical about the inclusion of 'additional' content or even the 'option' to multiplay said content... we just don;t like the idea that it should be exclusive to multiplayers! If 'Bots' were implemented as an optional alternative to signing up with RL groupies then I'm sure the majority would welcome the idea!

I can understand that. I myself don't have that many online firends and RL friends just don't play video games. So I mainly play SP games. However it was stated that you can play those coop mission by yourself - and thus practically giving you more single player content. Of course it will be harder that with 3 other people.
Maybe the even have bots. So far we are not sure yet.

But for me this seems a really welcome addition. Instead of playing one main mission per day (so it will last longer...) and doing some planet scanning (in ME2) I will now do a main mission a day and then still get to play combat in MP (with friends or alone). I love the idea!

Modifié par masterkajo, 12 octobre 2011 - 01:17 .

[someguy1231]

Taciter wrote...

Il Divo wrote...
Agreed. And it's a good analogy. Of all the things I love about Bioware games, the romance options have begun to grow stale.

Ironically, I think it's one of the more novel aspects of ME! Refreshing!

It isn't novel. Japanese Dating Sims and some JRPGs have been doing it for over 10 years.

[Il Divo]

Taciter wrote...

Il Divo wrote...
Agreed. And it's a good analogy. Of all the things I love about Bioware games, the romance options have begun to grow stale.

Ironically, I think it's one of the more novel aspects of ME! Refreshing!

And that's fair, but that does if anything illustrate the wide range of opinions on any feature. In the case of romances, the style feels generic with the PC talking to a character a few times and suddenly getting to have his way with her, as in the case of Morrigan. It also leads to Bioware potentially being unable to create necessary character deaths as plot points, since players have created an excessive emotional attachment. What it comes down to: romances provide interesting character dialogue, but not enough enjoyment given Bioware's new emphasis on making as many romance options as possible, since Jade Empire.

Modifié par Il Divo, 12 octobre 2011 - 01:19 .

[ReverendSID]

someguy1231 wrote...

Why can't you recognize that MP has the potential to also bring in more gamers who otherwise would not be inclined toward ME? Why can't you tolerate it even though it's optional? Why do you seem to think that it's mere presence cheapens or dilutes the SP?

To put it simply, because it's a lot more time spent away from the single player than romances are time spent from other story aspects. This has been a story & character driven game since the beginning. You not liking one aspect of the story is perfectly valid, but this is man hours spent coding, writing, building models & doing animations for something that is NOT part of that story. This is them spending time and resources on something that isn't needed.

It basically feels like nothing but a money grab. I realise that they're a business and they want to make as much money as possible from their games. But this feels like an attempt to grab sales from the 12 year olds who won't buy a game unless it's got multiplayer so they can curse at people and pretend they're baddass. In other words, CoD's main player base.

Now as it stands, I'm still planning on buying the game because I loved the first two, but this announcement, coupled with the Kinect bull**** at E3, has seriously lowered my expectations as far as quality.

The one thing I will say is this - NO MP ACHIEVEMENTS! If you're gonna tack a pointless MP component onto a single player game, don't make me play it!

[Taciter]

masterkajo wrote...

Taciter wrote...

someguy1231 wrote...

...Why can't you recognize that MP has the potential to also bring in more gamers who otherwise would not be inclined toward ME? Why can't you tolerate it even though it's optional? Why do you seem to think that it's mere presence cheapens or dilutes the SP? Stop treating it like it's some sort of infectious disease and get off your high horses. As much as I loathe romance, I recognize that it's helped bring in more ME fans. Why can't you do the same?

You're missing the point someguy, the sceptics (and I include myself) aren't so sceptical about the inclusion of 'additional' content or even the 'option' to multiplay said content... we just don;t like the idea that it should be exclusive to multiplayers! If 'Bots' were implemented as an optional alternative to signing up with RL groupies then I'm sure the majority would welcome the idea!

I can understand that. I myself havn't that many online firends and RL friends just don't play video games. So I mainly play SP games. However it was stated that you can play those coop mission by yourself - and thus practically giving you more single player content. Of course it will be hard that with 3 other people.
Maybe the even have bots. So far we are not sure yet.

But for me this seems a really welcome addition. Instead of playing one main mission per day and doing some planet scanning (in ME2) I will not do a main mission a day and then still get to play combat in MP (with friends or alone). I love the idea!

Agreed.... if they confirm the inclusion of bots, I will endorse this expermient 100% - after all, as you so adroitly stated, a multiplayer addition with the option to substitute RL players with bots is practically identical to standard SP anyway!

I DO worry about the potential for commercial exploitation though... we know about EA's nefarious nickle and dime exploits and multiplayer audiences make great captive consumers.

[Taciter]

someguy1231 wrote...

Taciter wrote...

Il Divo wrote...
Agreed. And it's a good analogy. Of all the things I love about Bioware games, the romance options have begun to grow stale.

Ironically, I think it's one of the more novel aspects of ME! Refreshing!

It isn't novel. Japanese Dating Sims and some JRPGs have been doing it for over 10 years.

It's reasonably novel in the context of a AAA title - I like that aspect. I respect your opinion but I like my escape to mimic epic movies, Getting the girl is all part and parcel of the adventure.

[someguy1231]

Taciter wrote...

someguy1231 wrote...

...Why can't you recognize that MP has the potential to also bring in more gamers who otherwise would not be inclined toward ME? Why can't you tolerate it even though it's optional? Why do you seem to think that it's mere presence cheapens or dilutes the SP? Stop treating it like it's some sort of infectious disease and get off your high horses. As much as I loathe romance, I recognize that it's helped bring in more ME fans. Why can't you do the same?

You're missing the point someguy, the sceptics (and I include myself) aren't so sceptical about the inclusion of 'additional' content or even the 'option' to multiplay said content... we just don;t like the idea that it should be exclusive to multiplayers! If 'Bots' were implemented as an optional alternative to signing up with RL groupies then I'm sure the majority would welcome the idea!

I find that hard to believe. I've read through most of this thread, and I don't remember seeing any sceptics saying anything along the lines of  "Unless it has bots, I don't like it!" They were always opposed to MP in general, and the way they said it usually implied they hated it unconditionally.

[Taciter]

Il Divo wrote...

Taciter wrote...

Il Divo wrote...
Agreed. And it's a good analogy. Of all the things I love about Bioware games, the romance options have begun to grow stale.

Ironically, I think it's one of the more novel aspects of ME! Refreshing!

And that's fair, but that does if anything illustrate the wide range of opinions on any feature. In the case of romances, the style feels generic with the PC talking to a character a few times and suddenly getting to have his way with her, as in the case of Morrigan. It also leads to Bioware potentially being unable to create necessary character deaths as plot points, since players have created an excessive emotional attachment. What it comes down to: romances provide interesting character dialogue, but not enough enjoyment given Bioware's new emphasis on making as many romance options as possible, since Jade Empire.

lol... a good argument - can't contradict that!

[ReverendSID]

Il Divo wrote...

Taciter wrote...

Il Divo wrote...
Agreed. And it's a good analogy. Of all the things I love about Bioware games, the romance options have begun to grow stale.

Ironically, I think it's one of the more novel aspects of ME! Refreshing!

And that's fair, but that does if anything illustrate the wide range of opinions on any feature. In the case of romances, the style feels generic with the PC talking to a character a few times and suddenly getting to have his way with her, as in the case of Morrigan. It also leads to Bioware potentially being unable to create necessary character deaths as plot points, since players have created an excessive emotional attachment. What it comes down to: romances provide interesting character dialogue, but not enough enjoyment given Bioware's new emphasis on making as many romance options as possible, since Jade Empire.

That's true, but I think they've actually gone down hill in terms of options since Jade Empire. Granted I haven't played every game they've released since then, but it seems to me Jade Empire had the most interesting & diverse range of choices and they've gotten narrower and narrower since then.

[FFinfinity1]

rolson00 wrote...

getbentaholes wrote...

Am going to be frank about this.

I will NOT tolerate any shape or form of MP in ME3 whatsoever. Especially sodding co-op.

Congrats Bioware. You have just lost 5 N7 pre-orders and lost a loyal fan.

SO UP YOURS!

To bad that by adding MP they added thousands and thousands of more Pre-Orders or Buys.

[Taciter]

someguy1231 wrote...
I find that hard to believe. I've read through most of this thread, and I don't remember seeing any sceptics saying anything along the lines of  "Unless it has bots, I don't like it!" They were always opposed to MP in general, and the way they said it usually implied they hated it unconditionally.

I have also been following this thread since about page 20 or something and I'm well aware of the general overtone. It seems to me that most of the critics are just anti-multplayer, they don't know why, they just hate it!

And the reason they're up in arms is because NO one has bothered to put forward a suggestion that could placate them. All it would have required was for one senior Bioware official to say "..but hey don;t worry folks, we recognise that 'Mass Effect' has attracted a lot of disenfranched ex-multiplayer types who like to stay well away. But we don;t want you to miss out on a scrap of content so we're going to implement an AI option where you can substitute RL squad mates for AI squad mate... in effect, ADDING additional single player content to what is surely going to be the greatest episode in this awesome saga so far!"

There see? But peopel are wondering why no one thought to implement such a compromise.. it smacks of EA trying to impose an ultimatum that requires everyone to capitulate to the God's of MP and social interaction.

[BeastMTL]

I think the main gist is that we just don't have any information to know either way.

Here are my main concerns:
                How can it be optional if it influences SP
               (what exactly it influences is unknown beside some Galaxy war readiness rating)
               (Scenario: if I don't do MP, will it kill an Squaddie I would kept if I did ?)
               (If I made a bad decision at point X. Will the MP compensate for it due to score ?
                   If it's so, then there is a definite disadvantage to not using MP, thus negative.)

And for those saying cancellations are just empty threats:

Product Name  

Mass Effect™ 3 N7 Collector's Edition
PCPhysical Order[*]Quantity Cancelled: 1[/list]
I'll be waiting for it in the bargain bin (about a year or so later)

Modifié par BeastMTL, 12 octobre 2011 - 01:33 .

[rolson00]

FFinfinity1 wrote...

rolson00 wrote...

getbentaholes wrote...

Am going to be frank about this.

I will NOT tolerate any shape or form of MP in ME3 whatsoever. Especially sodding co-op.

Congrats Bioware. You have just lost 5 N7 pre-orders and lost a loyal fan.

SO UP YOURS!

*image removed*

To bad that by adding MP they added thousands and thousands of more Pre-Orders or Buys.

where you talking to me? coz i was using the picture to say goodbye to getbentaholes (which given the name is a troll) im looking forward to MP